This is a cops mentality

Forgive me if Im posting this is the wrong forum, but a friend of mine from the military recently posted this to his facebook.. He is an MP, but the quote disturbed me, and gives a lot of credibility to people who hate cops and their mentality

"parents, teach your kids not to run for the cops. Anyone running after 1 AM is automatically guilty of something"


Yes, nevermind the constitution, damn it.. if you run after 1am, you are guilty.

reply to post by jewston


Why would you need to run from the cops, if you did nothing wrong??

Knowing how highly strung some cops are, it is good advice, but also rather logical.

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regardless, the mentality is that you are guilty just because you are running. It completely goes against what our founding fathers wanted for this nation.

Maybe and maybe not, but that runner has rights and if he/she knows them he should be fine. But I also dont recommend running around after 1am with a pound of weed in your backpack.

I use to drink with cops at a local bar, and they use to tell me... "There's only 2 kinds of people on the road after 1AM, the cops, and the bad guys."

reply to post by jewston


Yes, common sense for anyone, in the situation of 1am, and someone bolts from you is that they are/were doing something wrong.
Now, what is done in response should be questioned.
Do you take off, tackle the person and handcuff them? No.
Do you try to catch up, and investigate? Yes.
That should be the basic mentality of any cop.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by jewston

 

Yes, common sense for anyone, in the situation of 1am, and someone bolts from you is that they are/were doing something wrong.
Now, what is done in response should be questioned.
Do you take off, tackle the person and handcuff them? No.
Do you try to catch up, and investigate? Yes.
That should be the basic mentality of any cop.

really? Let me give you an example..

We were at a skate park years ago, and a cop drove by. For no reason what-so-ever a friend of mine takes off, zig-zagged (yes, exactly what he did, we still make fun of him for it) across the park running, all because he just saw a cop. We (including he) werent doing anything illegal, nor were we doing anything that we wouldnt want our grandmothers witnessing, we were literally just hanging out there. But he took off, he said he didnt know why he did it, he just felt he had to run.

But, he was guilty and its OK under your assumption that police should have that mentality?

reply to post by jewston


No, not guilty of anything. But any good cop would investigate, as they have no idea as to why the person took off.

Big difference. Stop thinking that cops have some magical power to foresee what people's thoughts or intent was, as they don't have this and Miss Cleo is not eligible to be a police officer.

Why refuse consent to unlawful search of personal property when you have nothing to hide? Because it is your personal right! The whole excuse of "if you don't have anything to hide then you wouldn't mind" is total BS. It is a trick and used to make you give up your personal rights and once that is done then you are SOL. Hold on to your rights and don't be manipulated into giving them up under the pretense of "if you have nothing to hide"


If we don't have anything to hide as a vast majority then why not just let people come search our homes, computers, anything they want whenever they want and totally dissolve our personal privacy.

reply to post by jewston


rofl, I have the same story only we were on a parking lot and had tools with us to tighten the wheels and they thought we were busting in car windows.

2 cars and 3 on foot, took them 3 hours on the station to figure out we were just kids playing. I'm sure a few real crimes were committed during those 3 hours.

I would just like to say,
This persons facebook status... does NOT speak for the mentality of ALL cops,
this speaks for his own unfortuane opinion.
There are good police out there, and there are bad police out there.
IMO

Originally posted by jewston
But he took off, he said he didnt know why he did it, he just felt he had to run.

Maybe he saw videos of the police on youtube and when he saw one IRL his self-preservation instincts went into overdrive.

We've all seen those videos... maybe he just didn't want to be electrotortured or chemically assaulted for not complying fast enough.

It isn't like your friend saw a cop circa 1970, he saw a cop circa 2011; an entirely different animal.

reply to post by jewston


A better thing to do would be for the parents to teach their kids what their rights are. Everyone should know without a doubt what their rights are in any given situation. If you get pulled over and the cop asks if you have anything in your car you say "none of your business" If the cop asks if it is OK to search your car you say "absolutely not, do you have probable cause or a warrant?" If you are a passenger in a car and it gets pulled over and a cop asks for your ID you say "you didn't pull me over, and I don't have to show you a thing."

I think you get the idea... there are some good cops out there, but all of the bad ones make them hard to spot. Most cops that I have ever come across clearly enjoy the power that they have been given, and are not afraid to use it to intimidate people. I personally don't see much use for cops, or at least I don't see the use for having as many as we do. I don't buy the line "Cops put it all on the line everyday". Well, they may risk their lives everyday, but so do electricians. So does anyone that drives a car to work. "Cops are there to protect you" No, they get there afterwards to fill out the paperwork.

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by jewston
But he took off, he said he didnt know why he did it, he just felt he had to run.

Maybe he saw videos of the police on youtube and when he saw one IRL his self-preservation instincts went into overdrive.

We've all seen those videos... maybe he just didn't want to be electrotortured or chemically assaulted for not complying fast enough.

It isn't like your friend saw a cop circa 1970, he saw a cop circa 2011; an entirely different animal.

incorrect, it was actually back in probably, 2002-2003 time, before youtube was showing cops in their wonderful ways.

Originally posted by Vodo34861
Why refuse consent to unlawful search of personal property when you have nothing to hide? Because it is your personal right! The whole excuse of "if you don't have anything to hide then you wouldn't mind" is total BS. It is a trick and used to make you give up your personal rights and once that is done then you are SOL. Hold on to your rights and don't be manipulated into giving them up under the pretense of "if you have nothing to hide"


If we don't have anything to hide as a vast majority then why not just let people come search our homes, computers, anything they want whenever they want and totally dissolve our personal privacy.

I agree. Coming from being a LEO, I would not consent to a search. Why? because I know my rights and don't want to be bothered.

That's ludicrous. I used to have trouble sleeping and would often jog or walk the dog in the wee small hours. I was stopped by the police 8 years ago at the age of 16 for being outside past 2am. Unlucky for me I was carrying contraband at the time. The lawmakers view themselves as above the people. I've met many policemen who have only approached me because of my appearance. I used to sport a foot high mohawk in different colours. Once had a copper try to accuse me of breaking into my own house because I was locked out and sat on the doorstep. I asked him why he thought I was breaking in whilst sat on the doorstep. His response... "Your hair looked suspicious". He made a habit of stopping me after that. For skateboarding, for littering (dropped some berries picked from a bush on the floor), and occasionally for nothing. What's the reckoning that he just thought I was really cool and wanted to hang around with me? 8 years later, same person, but a fairly "normal" haircut and I haven't seen him for at least 5 years since I started working. He always accepted my protesting his interference but ignored it anyway

reply to post by OptimusSubprime

My tweak on this is to always be polite, and keep your answers short/brief and to the point.
"Can I search your car"?
"No sir".

reply to post by Hypernova86


So, you were caught with something you aren't supposed to have and you are angry for that?

As for the hair thing, yes that is stupid beyond belief.

reply to post by macman


Not angry that I got caught, angry at his reason for stopping me. He described the lump of cannabis resin he found on me that he described as " a snot". He also "jokingly" suggested that it wouldn't be enough to make a joint for himself. This after throwing me over the hood of his car before searching me. I was 16

And yeah, the hair thing was ridiculous.

Generalization. You are no better than the few police that abuse their power. Stop hate mongering because you feel inadequate.