German court convicts former Nazi death camp guard

Bottom line, the Israelis needed to nail this guy, having cooked up a case and had it thrown out once before. If they are seen to fail, due to cooked evidence once, their whole svheme starts to look shaky.
Hell, even the FBI seemed to think the only document used in evidence, an ID card, was faked. That was it, just that one piece of "evidence", and they went to town on the guy!

The Germans will of course toe the line and prosecute and convict rather than face the wrath of the Hebrew Mafia again and get dragged through the press as Nazis for failing to do so in this clear kangaroo court prosecution.

The BBC report I saw this evening was so overdone I couldn't believe what I was hearing. From the report, you'd think he was personally responsible for each and every death, rather than an alleged "guard" at the camp. The Israelis are responsible for many more deaths than this guy is alleged to have witnessed, yet not one has ever been held accountable. Go figure!

Let this man die in peace for what he has done. He probably has regrets that he ever did such a thing. Why disturb this man's peace as he thinks of the things he could of done instead of killing a innocent for what their ancestor did?

His sins give him enough pain and he's ready to face his maker. Man shouldn't judge those that are about to depart, leave that to someone else.

Just leave him alone, he made a mistake, there is no need to make him suffer more, he's already on the breaking point, and it looks like he's been like that for 30+ years.

the only thing the evidence hangs on could quite possibly be a forgery.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

heres a brief timeline of his persecution.

www.time.com...

just more nazi hunter BS. i swear the zionists are worse than the nazis.

Originally posted by CountDrac
reply to post by JoeDaShom

 

27000 people? are you kidding me?
doesnt matter how old he is, he should be punished and die slowly.

Although I agree with your sentiment, I do believe they should be targeting those who were higher up the chain of command. How many Nazi officials are still alive to this day and walking free I wonder?

Originally posted by CountDrac
reply to post by Kram09

 

An eye for an eye? Are you promoting anarchy?
We live in a society that when someone commits a crime he gets punished. By your statement we should let all the people in jail free.

Yeah not exactly the same is it?

Are all jails full of Nazi war criminals?

But I see what you're saying.

It's alright talking about justice and the rule of law and all that, but it's hypocritical to be chasing down these criminals (who by now are incredibly old men and have had to live with the horror of what they perpetrated) only to have double standards and be torturing people in Guantanamo Bay (which in my opinion is almost a modern day concentration camp).

Yes I know this story hasn't got anything to do with the United States, but the guy in question lived in the U.S for quite a while.

Such events as this man took part in should be learnt about and not forgotten, but to have one rule for one and one rule for another is very hypocritical.

I'm sure people on here will try the usual trick of making sly accusations of me being a Nazi apologist or sympathiser or of being ignorant of history.

I am neither.

Originally posted by Exuberant1

In some countries it is illegal to question the holocaust.

Questioning = Holocaust denial. Holocaust denial = illegal.

Talking about other holocausts? 'Trivializing the Holocaust" = illegal.

Americans are lucky when it comes to their freedom to question things.

It makes me curious why the "holocaust" is the only event in human
history that one can be imprisoned for just questioning it's data points.

Why would an historical event require laws to prevent people from
investigating it ??

reply to post by Version100


I don't think there is anything wrong with investigating, but to blatantly deny it is ignorant and immoral, but just as ignorant and immoral is to imply other "holocausts" throughout history are irrelevent or unimportant in the face of the Nazi genocide.

One genocide should not be focused on in detriment to the others purely because of numbers or the way in which they were killed.

They should all be remembered regardless.

The victor rewrites history. I have done lots of research on this subject, and it is far from mainstream idealogy. I would advise those here to do likewise. War is horrible and people do bad things during war, on both sides. No one has ever addresses Stalin, Mao, etc. who all made Hitler look like a Sunday school boy. Yet, as a society we have no problem slapping a sickle and hammer, star, Che Guveria, etc. on a T-shirt and calling it good and acceptable, god save yo uif you wear a shirt with the swastika or stars and bars. People need to get a clue...

As for the offended party... are they not lobbing rockets into Gaza, yet thats ok? So was the USS Liberty, Tonkin Gulf, and Mosad agents found after 911 incident... funny how history rewrites itself. Its the past, we should all just move on and get past it.

reply to post by pityocamptes


war is war, and people die.
However Genocide of six million innocent people who did nothing is not war. Its massacre and a sin to all humanity…

my question is when are they going after stalins croanies?
they put the nazi's to shame when it comes to murdering innocents!!
the jews do not corner the market on pain and suffering

reply to post by whaaa


I agree with the following orders thing, but that's what makes it so mind boggling. If you were given the choice of 'either kill them or we're killing you' what would you do? It's really a good question (I think). I mean that was a scary time, I think we'd like to say 'given the choice, I'd take death over killing the innocent' but it's not so cut and dry. I really don't know what to think of this.

The whole Nazi hunting schtick is sort of a mini war on drugs. Lots of people made their living on it, can't shut it down now. Even if they are all dead. With the added bonus of Israel being able to assure it's citizens it should continue to exist. Yes the bogeyman in jackboots is still out there.

And yet...people like Henry Kissinger are still free to roam. It's good to be on the winning side, huh?
Yes, that old man deserves to be imprisoned, but yes it is also a complete waste of resources considering how long ago and how old he is.

Originally posted by CountDrac
reply to post by pityocamptes

 

war is war, and people die.
However Genocide of six million innocent people who did nothing is not war. Its massacre and a sin to all humanity…

I agree to a point. Did you see where Russia was reponsible for many of the deaths attributed to the Germans at the Neuremberg trials? Came out after the Soviet Union collapsed. Also, the 6 million figure is way too high, as many historians will show you. Think logically for a second. Do you really think they were stupid enough to waste vital fuel that could have been used on the front lines for crematoriums???? Many facets do not add up from what the allies indicated... just saying. You need to explore BOTH sides.

Originally posted by theknuckler
reply to post by whaaa

 

I agree with the following orders thing, but that's what makes it so mind boggling. If you were given the choice of 'either kill them or we're killing you' what would you do? It's really a good question (I think). I mean that was a scary time, I think we'd like to say 'given the choice, I'd take death over killing the innocent' but it's not so cut and dry. I really don't know what to think of this.

Good post. That is the catch 22. Here your doing what you have been ordered to, or you yourself will end up dead (what do you do if you have a family and your were FORCED to serve?). Then, you think your winning the war, but end up losing and now you are subject to yet a different set of rules by the other party, wherein you still have no control of...

Here is an interesting page regarding Demjanjuk, Which i think implies Demjanjuk was possibly framed by the KGB.

Who Glued the Demjanjuk Photo

reply to post by ken10


Dead...

www.foxnews.com...

Could be a conspiracy Wolf Hess claimed the US CIA and Russian KGB murdered his father while incarcerated.

Demjanjuk was Russian born and would almost surely have been convicted and spent the rest of his life in "black dolphin" prison if he had not emigrated to the US.

If he was not guilty I wonder why they went after a lower status auto worker instead of one of the "operation paperclip" nazi scientists out in area 51?

Maybe we learn more in 2017.

Koo

Originally posted by JoeDaShom
I think it's kind of despicable to go after the guy when he is that old... if you were going to go after him, you should have done it many years ago. And yet, there are worst criminals still committing crimes that nobody does a damn thing about.

S&F

Nazi death camp. It is going to be pretty hard to top that as a criminal. If I was MR BIG and saw that on a criminal resume, I would hire that man for any criminal vacancies in my ruthless criminal organization. I wonder where Ruth is?