2011 in perspective

reply to post by Ghost375


So you want censorshop? Go make your own forum.

So out of a long list you close in on one issue. Are you stating that there is nothing to the other issues or do you think that the tornadoes is the most promising of the list?

2011 is not a unique year. There have been other bad years such as 1958. After that devastating year new radars were put into place to given people more warning. The number of quakes detected went up after the system went online.

Continued fighting in Libya, and Syria.
71 people killed in Norway shootings and bombings.
5.8M Earthquake in New York.
Hurricane Irene leaves 4 million people without power, AND massive flooding. 41 dead, thousands stranded or missing.
Another wildfire in Oklahoma today.


I just saw on CNN that there were "10 storms this year [so far] that caused more than a billion dollars in damage each."

2/3 of the way through the year.

Originally posted by stereologist
So we are producing another laundry list for whatever reason. What is that supposed to mean?

Tossing a whole lot of whatever into a pile is a rather meaningless exercise. What is all of this supposed to mean?

The worst natural disaster in US history was back in 1900. Look up the Galveston hurricane.
The worst wildfire in the US was in Wisconsin in 1871. Look up the Peshtigo fire.

There are lots of such examples all over the world.

What do you think is so special about the laundry list being prepared int his thread?

Address the fact that all of the listed events and more happened within a very short period of time and that many of these events are of historic or catastrophic proportions. Don't choose to focus on one event and then ask why that one event is special. There have been a slew of unusually intense weather related catastrophes this year, on top of last year being the deadliest year in a generation:

It's Official: 2010 Deadliest Year In A Generation: Meteorologists
www.abovetopsecret.com...


What planet have you been living on the past couple of years?

Duplicate post removed.

Originally posted by stereologist
So we are producing another laundry list for whatever reason. What is that supposed to mean?

Tossing a whole lot of whatever into a pile is a rather meaningless exercise. What is all of this supposed to mean?

The worst natural disaster in US history was back in 1900. Look up the Galveston hurricane.
The worst wildfire in the US was in Wisconsin in 1871. Look up the Peshtigo fire.

There are lots of such examples all over the world.

What do you think is so special about the laundry list being prepared int his thread?

I guess I'll have to wait till you're back on site for your reply. Meanwhile, it looks like 2011 is indeed topping 2010:

2011 Set To Become Worst Ever Year For U.S. Weather Disasters - Costing The Economy More Than £35bn
www.dailymail.co.uk...
By LEE MORAN
Last updated at 11:07 AM on 19th August 2011

The U.S. has already been hit by more natural disasters in 2011 than any previous year - and that is before the hurricane season has even started.

Flooding, blizzards, drought and tornadoes from just nine events have each caused more than $1 billion worth of damage.

It brings the total cost of cleaning up the country in the past eight months to a staggering $35 billion.
www.dailymail.co.uk...

edit on 8/30/2011 by this_is_who_we_are because: formatting

And hurricane season is just starting. I think we're in for quite a wild time.

reply to post by Ghost375


Here is another laundry list. If you looked over the news instead of guessing you'd get the facts right.

The 5.8 earthquake was not in New York. The Norway shootings was not 71 dead. Fighting has not broken out in Syria. Thousands missing from Irene?

How can anyone take these lists seriously when the basic facts are wrong?

reply to post by this_is_who_we_are

Address the fact that all of the listed events and more happened within a very short period of time and that many of these events are of historic or catastrophic proportions. Don't choose to focus on one event and then ask why that one event is special. There have been a slew of unusually intense weather related catastrophes this year, on top of last year being the deadliest year in a generation:

Some year had to be the deadliest in a generation. So what?

A pile of events is tossed into a pile and that is all. What is so special about this pile? You think that random clustering is new?

What planet have you been living on the past couple of years?

Please show us that this is of interest instead of heaping together a pile of stuff and saying, "See what I mean." That's rather useless isn't it?

reply to post by this_is_who_we_are

I guess I'll have to wait till you're back on site for your reply. Meanwhile, it looks like 2011 is indeed topping 2010

The law of trichotomy allows me 3 choices: a < b, a = b, a > b. Just because one of the 3 necessary choices happens is not important.

Big weather years happen. This year is not particularly bad in the long term. To pretend that some important trend is happening requires more than laundry listing and claiming this is bigger than that.

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by Ghost375

 

Here is another laundry list. If you looked over the news instead of guessing you'd get the facts right.

The 5.8 earthquake was not in New York. The Norway shootings was not 71 dead. Fighting has not broken out in Syria. Thousands missing from Irene?

How can anyone take these lists seriously when the basic facts are wrong?

Quit spreading Disinfo...

The 5.8 EQ did hit NY. Sure it hit other states as well. that doesn't mean it avoided NY altogether.

You're right about the Norway shootings...more than 71 people were killed.

so you're denying that people are dying in Syria?

I didn't say thousands were missing...I said "thousands were stranded or missing."

Why are you intentionally misrepresenting what I say?

reply to post by Ghost375


If you plan to laundry list at least get the facts right. Sheesh.

The quake did not originate in NY state. Hardly a thing happened in NYC. The epicenter was a different story. That seems to have been overlooked by the national media which played up NYC dwellers running around scared by a jolt that originated hundreds of miles away.

People are dying in Syria, but it is not fighting that has broken out. It is protests that have been attacked by the government. Please get your story straight before you post.

You did say that thousands were stranded or missing. How do you know? Where are the stranded thousands? The number of dead is remarkably small. More are killed on the roads during a normal driving day in fair weather than were killed by this storm.

You are starting to realize how your post was a misrepresentation don't you?

reply to post by stereologist


Please get your story straight before you post.

The story is straight...I've been including brief descriptions of events this year.
I haven't been including many specific details. I haven't misrepresented any facts.
continued fighting in Libya and Syria is true. Considering any shooting as "fighting" isn't a stretch nor does it misrepresent anything. Earthquakes in NY are rare...it is an unusual event even if the epicenter wasn't there.

Maybe you could contribute to the thread by providing the details for the summary of real facts I present. Instead of denying everything I say.
All you've done in this thread is say stuff like "Well it wasn't the biggest hurricane ever" or "not that many people died."
41 people dead is still a tragedy...
You denying so, makes you sound like a cold-hearted boy.


so hard to find how many people are stranded...The title of this news story is Thousands stranded after Irene

reply to post by Ghost375

continued fighting in Libya and Syria is true.

No. Syria is protests - deadly protests. Lybia is fighting. If you can't understand the difference then learn more about what is happening. Feeling an earthquake in NYC is not the same as calling it the New York earthquake. If you can't understand the difference then learn more about what is happening.

You denying so, makes you sound like a cold-hearted boy.

That's just your story in light of having been shown to have misrepresented the facts.

Great link there. You had to get a newspaper article from half way around the world. They claim 41 is nearly 50. Sounds like something you might have written.

Here is the aftermath of Irene
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No kidding!

Originally posted by stereologist
Here is the aftermath of Irene
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f0897b54ad9a.jpg[/atsimg]
No kidding!

Irene was unusual for it's sheer size, not it's destructive force.

Next.

reply to post by stereologist

That's just your story in light of having been shown to have misrepresented the facts. Great link there. You had to get a newspaper article from half way around the world. They claim 41 is nearly 50. Sounds like something you might have written.

No, I never misrepresented any facts at all...you're just arguing semantics with me. "deadly protests" is so much different from "fighting." I suppose you oppose calling it the "war in Libya" and instead would call it "time-limited, scope-limited military action."

And there's 41 confirmed deaths; I suspect it will rise to more than 50 in the coming weeks. 41 IS nearly 50...again you're just arguing semantics.




I just pulled up the first thing google came up with by searching "Irene stranded people"...I didn't try at all to find that source. Do I need to spend an extra 5 seconds to find a source from America? Is it that important to you that you have to complain about where my source is from?

reply to post by Ghost375

No, I never misrepresented any facts at all...you're just arguing semantics with me. "deadly protests" is so much different from "fighting." I suppose you oppose calling the Libya "war" and instead would call it "time-limited, scope-limited military action."

And there's 41 confirmed deaths; I suspect it will rise to more than 50 in the coming weeks. 41 IS nearly 50...again you're just arguing semantics.

Actually, it is you that is arguing semantics in an effort to cover up your efforts at misrepresenting the situation.

To get back to this little laundry list of yours, just what do you think it means? You are the one that piled unrelated issues together into a pile. So what are you attempting to suggest?

PS. 41 is not nearly 50.

reply to post by stereologist

No, I'm defending myself against your unjustified attacks over my semantics.

Why do you keep wanting this thread to have underlying meaning, or to suggest something?
I designed this thread so people can see important events that have been occurring in 2011. I'm letting the facts speak for themselves...if the facts happen to suggest that 2011 is an important/deadly year, that's not my fault or intent.
There's no agenda behind it, it is only meant to provide important facts in one quick glance.
It seems to me that it is you that has an agenda.

reply to post by stereologist

Mission accomplished Stereo, you have successfully derailed yet another thread with your usual disinfo, your posts remind me of MSM reports, nothing to see hear...... all is normal..... this stuff happens all the time....oh and after the break.... poo poo the monkey has learned to use chop sticks!

reply to post by XplanetX

Irene was unusual for it's sheer size, not it's destructive force.

The size wasn't unusual. It was a large hurricane. It was not a very large hurricane. A large hurricane is up to 550 miles across. Irene was 510 miles across. An average hurricane goes up to 420 miles across. So Irene was
in the middle of the large range. Very large hurricanes are over 550 miles across.

Here are a few that were larger than Irene.
2010 Igor 920 mi diameter
2008 Ike 550
2006 Florence 690
2006 Helene 748
2005 Wilma 662
2004 Karl 777
2001 Olga 863

So it wasn't unusual for its size. It's destructive force was not that great as it dropped from a 2 to a 1 and then to a tropical storm.