Dick Cheney says Obama should reinstate waterboarding program

"Well, I certainly would advocate it," Cheney replied. "I'd be a strong supporter of it."

"We went to a lot of trouble to find out what we could do, how far we could go, what was legal and so forth. Out of that emerged what we called enhanced interrogation. It worked. It provided some absolutely vital pieces of intelligence."

"It was a good program,"

he continued. "It was a legal program. It was not torture. I would strongly recommend we continue it."

The former vice president called the Obama's administration's investigation of CIA interrogators that may have abused detainees an "outrage."

This underlined comment to me is admitted proof of how TPTB use their puppets like Cheney to test the constitution and build police state laws while ignoring the most important constitution and rights of people.

the only trouble they ran into was getting caught... now that his lawers say it was legal Cheney can ride his high horse and say what a great job he and bush did..


I feel like TPTB send in scouts of insanity and when the public masses dont get offended they just keep taking freedoms and adding more unwarranted searches in the name of safety.

CIA Director Leon Panetta has said waterboarding is torture but the former Vice President disagreed.

seems to me the MSM is starting another prewar propaganda movement I wonder what country will be lucky enough to have freedom bestowed upon it?

waterboard cheney first so he knows what he is advocating. if they knew half of what they do to people they probably wouldn't do it.

He knows if he can convince the current or any future administration to reinstate torture it'll get him off the legal hook for implementing it in the first place. The information that led to the death of OBL was learned from traditional interrogation techniques, Panetta stated that even under torture KSM kept up his lies.

Just make sure they start with Cheney and maybe we'll get the truth of what really happened on 911 and beyond. Either that or his mechanical ticker will stop. Win, win situation if you ask me.

and yet more of the same war is good. propaganda

Fox News host doesn’t understand why killing bin Laden is OK but torture isn’t

Fox News' Chris Wallace doesn't understand the difference between killing the leader of the world's most dangerous terrorist organization in a military operation and torturing detainees held in U.S. prisons.

"We'll all stipulate that bin Laden was a monster," Wallace told National Security Advisor Tom Donilon Sunday. "But why is shooting an unarmed man in the face legal and proper while enhanced interrogation including waterboarding of a detainee under very strict controls and limits, why is that over the line?"

"Our forces entered that compound and were fired upon," Donilon explained. "It's an organization that uses IEDs and suicide vests and boobytraps and all manner of other destructive capabilities."

"Let me just make my point," Wallace said.

"I'm not asking you why it was okay to shoot Osama bin Laden. I fully understand the threat. I'm not second guessing the SEALs. What I am second guessing is if that is okay,
why can't you do waterboarding or enhanced interrogation of Khalid sheikh Mohammed, who was just as bad an operator as Osama bin Laden?"

I agree give Cheney a try at it and then see if he thinks its that good. Lets face it, its clearly not that good at getting information otherwise Osama Bin L would have been found considerably quicker seeing he lived in Pakistan in the same villa for a number of years.

I would have thought by now we might have had a better truth drug than those used in the 1950's.

dick cheney can suck a bag of d*cks!

dick cheney is exactly what his name implies

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
He knows if he can convince the current or any future administration to reinstate torture it'll get him off the legal hook for implementing it in the first place. The information that led to the death of OBL was learned from traditional interrogation techniques, Panetta stated that even under torture KSM kept up his lies.

I hadn't heard that. Can you please provide a link?

I'm not doubting you but it makes me wonder why Cheney would say this if it's already been proven fact where Obama got his intel from regarding Osama.

Seriously, who gives a flying ass about what that scum of the earth dick chainy has to say...

Originally posted by yourmaker
waterboard cheney first so he knows what he is advocating. if they knew half of what they do to people they probably wouldn't do it.

Nailed it!

Even the police who use tasers are first to feel the effects of said devices.

C'mon Dick, show us some spine. All talk, no substance.

They need to use this technique on Cheney, he would spill all the beans if they did.

reply to post by -W1LL


OK, so waterboarding an armed combatant to gain information and preventing future attacks is considered criminal; shooting an unarmed old man in the face in his home in front of his family during the invasion of another country is perfectly acceptable?

Please explain.

jw

Possible responses:

1. ......"Says the dead guy that laughs like Burgess Meridith's rendition of The Penguin."

2. ......."If he only had a heart he might feel differently."

3. ......."Hey, Karl Ruprecht Kroenen, who the hell asked you anyway?"

reply to post by Anjin


These are quotes from several of Bush's cabinet following the death of Bin Laden;

"It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantánamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance. But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding."
- Donald Rumsfeld

John Brennan (counter-terrorism adviser to Obama and a key figure in the CIA under Bush) - when asked about whether waterboarding played a role in finding Bin Laden – replied:
"Not to my knowledge. The information that was collected over the course of nine years or so came from many different sources: human sources, technical sources, as well as sources that detainees provided. It was something as a result of the painstaking work that the analysts did. They pieced it all together that lead us to the compound last year and resulted in the very successful operation Sunday."

AP article on KSM follwing interviews with former CIA agents; from:
Phone call leads U.S. to bin Laden
Mohammed (KSM) is the highest ranking AQ member in captivity:

Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.

But I love how Bush-apologists are so pro-torture (without any evidence torture produced anything viable) while acting all aghast that we shot poor Osama Bin Laden unarmed. The military wanted to launch missile strikes against Osama's bin Laden's compound, Obama nixed that and wanted the surgical strike team. Missiles would have wiped out ALL the women and children present in the compound, including an "unarmed" OBL, I believe Obama's method was by far the best and caused the fewest casualties to civilians nearby.

BTW another argument against torture is that this guy, Ibn al-Sheikh al-Libi, another high-ranking AQ suspect, who was tortured to death in his cell, was that he provided FALSE information under torture, claiming that AQ was working in Iraq, which led to a HUGE DIVERSION from pursuing AQ in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The Iraq war was huge, costly, mistake.
What happened to Ibn al-Sheikh al-Libi?

What I didn't know at the time – but have learned and spoken about since – is that al-Libi was severely tortured, including by water-boarding, into confessing that al-Qaida was working with Saddam Hussain on obtaining chemical and biological weapons in order to kill Americans. This information was submitted to Colin Powell, the then US secretary of state, who argued the case for war against Iraq based heavily on this information – which he described as credible and reliable. But a year later al-Libi retracted his statement. That mattered little to the people of Iraq, who by then were fully under the US-led occupation.

The US Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) later opined that al-Libi's information was not correct and that he had made the confession either under duress or to get better treatment. What the world knew by then was that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that al-Qaida had no presence in Iraq until the 2003 invasion.

I wish I could fine the clip where an interviewer asked if Iran detained an American citizen as a spy, and used the same justification as the US to waterboard the "spy" to get information, if that would be okay with Dick Cheney. Dick Cheney appeared to fumble over his words and denounced any attempt to waterboard American citizens. I almost feel sorry for Bush that he relied on this guys advice.

Sounds like Cheney is just trying to stir up attention for book sales.

I just hope if a Republican wins next year, they don't put Cheney in their cabinet.

Originally posted by -W1LL
It was a legal program. It was not torture.

Seems like a rather circular, self-reinforcing argument to me. They forced it's legality then claim it's not torture because it is legal, which they of course arranged.....

They should waterboard Cheneys grand children in front of him and see how he likes it.

Hes a scumbag advocating torture, people will admit to being jack the ripper if they are tortured enough.
Its not even reliable.