Dear TPTB: Enough is enough!!!

reply to post by lestweforget


Gee whiz! Way to put a downer on my thread lol! Im gonna have to disagree though. Its not over, the more we resist, the longer it will take them to fully implement their plans. Eventually they'll crack but we gotta start now! No government, or dictatorship or whatever you wanna call them bastards will be able to defeat an army of people who seek truth! Keeping an attitude like yours will ensure they succeed but you need to change your mindset username: lestweforget. Think about your handle for a sec... Our fathers and grandfathers went to war for us and our freedom. People were largely unaware of the manipulation behind the scenes during those times but they fought for their beliefs. Freedom for their families. For you and I. They werent to know of the hidden agendas but guess what... We do!
War time is coming again, but its different this time. It truly will be a world war. TPTB against the people. Will you fight for your freedom??

reply to post by TOMFROMOZ


So what is this disaster that is going to happen according to you and how are we supposed to stop it? What is it that our governments are going to take?

They need to:

GET THE LOBBYISTS OUT OF DC.

Enough yelling maybe someone will hear? Alot of the new politicians have good fights to get into office, until those causes line their pockets. Then it is the same old business.

Can you say CORRUPTION?

Time for a pair of size 11 cement shoes. Going to vist Hoffa soon.

reply to post by -PLB-


Seriously dude go away. If youre gonna try bring that debunking crap you aint welcome! Im not claiming to have a prediction or a date etc etc This crap from our goverments just gotta stop. If youre too misled to see what happening then sit back and enjoy the ride. Cant wait for your reply though cause people like you cant help themselves. Dont hold your breath waiting for another reply from me though. Have a nice day

reply to post by Jetman44


Lol im sure jimmy will love the company. Even new politicians with decent views succumb to the hierarchy eventually. I say eradicate the system entirely. Be done with governments full stop!

reply to post by TOMFROMOZ


Yes, I am indeed misled to see what is happening. That is why I am asking. But if you won't tell, I guess I will have to remain misled.

reply to post by TOMFROMOZ

Nothing would make me happier than seeing their global plans somehow unravel and a unified people overcome and defeat our evil masters. I just fail to see how it could be possible, i try to enlighten my friends to the level of global corruption, the planned economic failures and the slow deprivation of liberties for our own safety just for starters.
I consider my friends to be intelligent and open minded yet i fail miserably! I have become frustrated to the point where i dont discuss such matters with them at all. Even if i somehow got through to them what could we do?
The Australian government used the Army as part of its security for the G20 in Sydney, unprecedented and a sign of things to come.

I think there is so much being thrown at us at once that we don't have a chance. Most likely thing even ATS hasn't stumbled on. General society is still blind to what is going on around us, and I think the majority of people would rather turn a blind eye to what is going on than to have to acknowledge and worry about things.

I also think that if this group was formed, and actually became powerful, we would be picked of one by one.

I don't mean to be negative, but I think it's too late to fight back, and the best we can do is to try to make people aware and form survival groups for when SHTF

Originally posted by tinker9917


I also think that if this group was formed, and actually became powerful, we would be picked of one by one.

I don't mean to be negative, but I think it's too late to fight back, and the best we can do is to try to make people aware and form survival groups for when SHTF

So they pick us off by one but people start to take notice. Eventually more people take notice until they don't have the resources to continue their tyranny and the sheer numbers supporting the cause overwhelms them. Or the alternative is sit around twiddling our thumbs until the SHTF and they wipe the lot of us out in one fell swoop.

Oh look, it's THIS thread again. The one where someone says "enough is enough, it's time to rise up against the NWO and form our own anti-NWO movement, blah, blah, blah."

Here's the previous thread

By the way, nothing will come from this thread other that the usual circlejerk about guys saying they're going to "spread the word" and "wake people up", then do almost nothing. I mean, really. Posting on Facebook? You mean the same Facebook that Julian Assange said is the most appalling spying machine ever invented? Twitter? Good luck getting enough people who will pay attention long enough in today's society, where people have the attention span of a hamster.

I mean, seriously. Our enemies are world leaders, CEOs and Chairman of vast corporations, figures of massive influence over millions, if not billions of people. Their decisions shape the geo-political landscape of our world. Not to mention the possibility that some of them are members of secret societies that have been planning on world domination over centuries. They've had all the time in the world to prepare and refine their strategy while we come in late in the game, by the time they've moved half their chess pieces, and can see ten moves ahead.

And what are we? Posters on a conspiracy forum that ANYONE can join. For all you know, I might be an auto-surfing program used by the US Air Force that regularly posts in an attempt to sway public opinion. This entire forum is owned by a COMPANY that works for a profit, with various ads displayed. Some, I notice, are for the US military. Hell, I would bet money that ATS is actually a COINTELPRO operation. I would not be surprised whatsoever.

OP, if you are serious about doing what you say you want to do, you're in the wrong place. People here are more often than not delusional, blind, partisan, and reactionary people all too consumed by anything that's bright and sparkly. President Obama might NOT be American? Does it really matter, you know, AT ALL? He is DEFINITELY not going to leave office, no matter how many people start screaming like loonies. In fact, you're giving him plenty of evidence to call conspiracy theorists a fringe minority that is out of touch with reality.

reply to post by TOMFROMOZ


Stop paying taxes; starve the government until representatives actually represent the people again! The only problem is that there is no group/party with enough clout to actually get enough people to follow its lead. 1% of the population would be squashed, fast. 15% of the population would get attention FAST and would be difficult to squash. The more, the merrier.

In essence, we're all pu$$ies and NOTHING will be done until people stop beleiving the lies.

Really a sad state of affairs...

To be honest guys, its beyond us, its so far gone and has been heading downwards for hundreds of years that only a force beyond us can resolve this, my advice is to acknowledge whats going on and be ready to pick up the pieces when the earth decides to shake most of us off like a wet dog so hold on and when th dust settles be ready to fight for your right to continue on cause the field will be evened out for a short while and if we stand around hesitating we might lose our chance to correct what has been wronged.

Hope to see you out there come the time good luck in fights its coming for us all one way or another.

reply to post by Oberlin


Hi auto surfing program! So Facebook is a spy network ay? Do you think that's a bad thing for someone with my intentions? Ha them clowns can spy all they want! Glad to hear they know I'm comin, were coming! People like you need to stop sooking and complaining as if we've already lost. Suck it up princess and stand up for yourself and your freedom!

reply to post by billybobh3


Bang on brother! We are a bunch of pu$$ies! We need to boycott the system! Even if their plans are fully implemented and they have total control a boycott ends everything. Power in numbers! Expose them to the world, wake up the masses and no matter how enslaved we are... We win! Sick of all you down trodden quitters. You all need to realize we can win! Once the enlightened believe in this cause and truly convince themselves it's possible, the sheeple will follow as good sheeple do, and they to will break the shackles and become enlightened. Stop feeling sorry for yourselves and pick yourselves up, dust yourselves off and take what's yours!

reply to post by gmac10001

You're almost there friend but try harder next time!

reply to post by TOMFROMOZ


not entirely sure what you mean?

reply to post by TOMFROMOZ


Right, because stating the facts as they are automatically makes me some sort of saboteur or spy to your "glorious cause of freedom". Your post, like so many others, is dripping with romantic idealism yet little realistic thinking. All I'm doing is stating the facts. What, am I incorrect that our enemies occupy some of the most powerful positions in our society, a society which they rule over? Am I incorrect that they abuse their positions, and will use them and their power to maintain their positions at all costs?

You want to overthrow the evil tyrant of the kingdom. But your current plan is to go the town square, proclaim your opposition group out loud for everyone to hear, and then invite people to join you. How can expect anything less than some of the king's lackeys and minions to grab you and take you away to the dungeons for public dissent, disturbing the peace, and treason? Then maybe execute you, depending how much of a threat you actually are.

I am not saying we should not fight. What I am saying is that we should fight smartly. For example, are you using an internet proxy right now to hide your location? I am. If you tried to backtrace me, your computer would tell you that my IP address is currently 123.125.156.92 ...which is located in mainland China (no, I am not in China).
Do you have an actual Facebook account? If so, how much of your personal information is on there? Your full name? Date of birth? Location? Family members? Relationships? Place of study and/or work? Hobbies & Interests? From that alone, they could probably track you down, then have a head start on cracking down on any other members of your movement. Dosen't matter if you have it all set to "private". A government agency could easily request the desired information and Facebook would give it willingly. You're giving them a loaded gun, putting it in their hands, then lifting their hands and aiming the gun at your head. How can you NOT expect them to pull the damn trigger? It's that simple. It's been done.

You seem to imply I don't do anything. On the contrary, I probably do more than you. I just use better tools. Allow me to share a few with you. Let's see what you, since you appear to be highly motivated, can do with them:

Internet Relay Channels (IRC) - an easy-to-use method of realtime communication. Download a free IRC client (mIRC, Chatzilla, HydraIRC, Nettalk, KVIrc, Colloquy, etc) and join irc.freenode.net or another server of your choice. Type /join #(name of room you'd like) to join and create a new room. Invite participants and prospective participants. (P.S. If you've seen that old CSI episode where they feature IRC and give some sort of explanation of it, let me tell you that it's total bull#. No one in their goddamn mind chats in "leet speak". Nor is it "sexy". Nor is that explanation of how IRC works any good. It's all useless crap from the 90's.)

Free Mind: Free-to-use mapping software useful for organizing information of all sorts, visualizing relationships, etc. Go to: freemind.sourceforge.net...

brief.ly...: An excellent way to aggregate links in a readable form. It makes a good landing page for coordination of operations or operational briefings and the like.

tinychat.com...: Semi-anonymous video chat. Excellent for ad-hoc meetings.

www.chatterous.com...: Disposable web based IRC like chat rooms

www.chatzy.com...: Disposable web based IRC like chat rooms

jotonce.com...: Password protected quick message passing

www.graffitly.com...: Anonymous message passing system

pen.io...: Text based web page hosting; excellent for publishing documents

letscrate.com...: Drag & Drop file sharing

chi.mp...: Personal information aggregator. Good for harvesting and sorting through information of your choice.

www.thiss.is...: Allows you to create a site to argue anything, useful for testing ideas

www.icerocket.com...: Social networking search engine

secure...: Encrypted pastebin

www.cowurl.com...: Personalized URL redirection good for creating faux domains for projects or acting as a project entry point.

paper.li...: You can use it to create a "newspaper" from public social networking sources. Good for monitoring activity.

www.fakenamegenerator.com...: Generate shallow cover identities. These are not good for long term operations, and will NOT provide deep cover. Still, it's always is good to have a few fake identities ready and waiting.


And that's all the simple stuff. The complex, real hardcore stuff is elsewhere. For example, there's Tor. That's the anonymity network used by people who are deadly serious. How did PFC Manning transmit all his stolen data to Wikileaks? Tor. How do secret agencies transmit data? Tor, and some government networks. How do pedophiles share child porn with each other without being caught by the FBI? Tor. How do terrorists communicate with each other without being noticed? Tor, plus some posts on supporter forums that are written in code.

You get the idea.

You want to start a movement? Then think when you do it. Organize where they can't see you and monitor you. Because their is a damn difference between what happens when an unstoppable force hits an immovable object as to what happens when an unstoppable force hits someone who THINKS he's an inmmovable object.

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reply to post by TOMFROMOZ


The major problem is ideological subversion. A demoralization is what has led us to a point that those that realize the truth care little about others and only care when the effects are on them. If you look at the newly formed tea party that basically is blaming the poor, entitelments, immigration and these things that are just a symptom of the problem! then there are those that are not willing to even consider that a group of powerful elitist are in power and fleecing the worth of the poor and middleclass. Then we have the last 30 years of bargain shopping where purchasing foreign goods for half or less then a comperable US goods has bargained ourselves out of jobs, homes and finally lives. So when people like you suddenly say we have to do something I really don't think you know all the facts or have considered how long we have been led down this road and how much farther we have to go before enough people will be willing to risk everything to battle this scurge and even you who are willing to do something but is'nt willing to use violence to solve this problem have not had enough done to you yet to fight the good fight. So what to do now? We need people to care for one another! spreading the word to those that are willing to listen. Secondly you are right to prepare for the worst cause even though I doubt we will have any financial collapse (but you never can tell for sure) in the near future but there are other possibilities that can cause anarchy in the western world like man made plagues, terrorist attacks (or false flag) or any other unseen happening. Lastly, there are so few things we really can do against such a wealthy and powerful group of men who have been doing this for over 400 years or more, even if we were to spread the word to the bottom 80% who are the initial target of these elitist and decide to mobilize against them, I fear these men already have a plan of action in place to stop this mobilization which will be some kind of tragedy to call attention away from them. The only way for us to win is indirectly through attrition, stop shopping at their stores, stop banking at their banks, live a minimal life on just the bare necessities but in the end we can only hope for the best and prepare for the worst!