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What if on May 21st, 2011, "Christ" does "return"?
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reply to post by SonicInfinity
What if christ does return???
I will first ask him for proof that he is who he claims to be, probably a LONG FORM REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE would be a good start.
Then if he proves I'll ask him why he didn't slam every psycho through history with a lightning bolt.
I'm not too worried about any God coming back, if one does he knew what went on and why everything happened.
Speaking of which, I will ask why he created mass murderers knowing that their soul had been damned to hell even before their parents had been born.
If God knows all and sees all, the idea of freewill is laughable.
See where i'm getting with all this?
What if christ does return???
I will first ask him for proof that he is who he claims to be, probably a LONG FORM REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE would be a good start.
Then if he proves I'll ask him why he didn't slam every psycho through history with a lightning bolt.
I'm not too worried about any God coming back, if one does he knew what went on and why everything happened.
Speaking of which, I will ask why he created mass murderers knowing that their soul had been damned to hell even before their parents had been born.
If God knows all and sees all, the idea of freewill is laughable.
See where i'm getting with all this?
reply to post by SonicInfinity
Harold Camping has predicted the end of the world before and was wrong before. Given the long lists of end of the world dates, and the fact that picking a specific date directly contradicts scripture I can pretty much guarantee Jesus won't be showing up. I also doubt a staged event unless that event is carried out by the believers themselves.
Harold Camping has predicted the end of the world before and was wrong before. Given the long lists of end of the world dates, and the fact that picking a specific date directly contradicts scripture I can pretty much guarantee Jesus won't be showing up. I also doubt a staged event unless that event is carried out by the believers themselves.
That's the Old Testament big-G.
Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by SonicInfinity
What if christ does return???
I will first ask him for proof that he is who he claims to be, probably a LONG FORM REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE would be a good start.
Then if he proves I'll ask him why he didn't slam every psycho through history with a lightning bolt.
I think you have a...non-standard interpretation of the Bible. From what I understand, everyone gets a chance at redemption.
Speaking of which, I will ask why he created mass murderers knowing that their soul had been damned to hell even before their parents had been born.
Not really. Some posit that if God created the universe, and thus the multiverse, then He can see all of the possibilities, which is why he already knows everything everyone will do. Because he knows anything anyone can do. I'm not sure about the underpinnings, though.
If God knows all and sees all, the idea of freewill is laughable.
If 'Jesus' returns. You will find out he is just an Alien of many others out there. He dedicated his time to take care of the evolution of our young
god training school of life.
A thank you is all you need to say me thinks. Then I would love to help heal the world, and live from the hearth.
A thank you is all you need to say me thinks. Then I would love to help heal the world, and live from the hearth.
god is just a figment of your imagination!! prove that he is here!?! cant do it!! the whole religion thing is b.s. just a form of mass control.
if you do these things you will burn in hell. just like if u steal these thing you will go to jail. no proof exists except in the minds of man.
which were planted long ago by scared people.
reply to post by 000063
Ok if you are gonna go all multiverse scifi on me, is your god powerful enough to know how each multiverse ends up?
If your god is not that powerful, i suggest you get a bigger god.
If your god does know the outcome of each multiverse, then once again freewill is laughable.
Now foer your redemption thought, would you be willing to have a sit down talk and share a few beers with a person who is a child rapist and a killer of children?
There are people out there like that you know.
So if everyone gets redemption, would this apply to kiddie fiddlers/murderers?
Look I truly don't know.
However I do know the books were written by a man or men, whether inspired devinely or compelled divinely.
But my reasoning sounds alot more sound than "Do as I say, not as I do.
In short if I have to spend the rest of my afterlife with the worlds John Wayne Gacy's and Ted Bundy's just because they may have been able to ask for forgiveness at the last minute,...
I'll take the alternative thank you.
Ok if you are gonna go all multiverse scifi on me, is your god powerful enough to know how each multiverse ends up?
If your god is not that powerful, i suggest you get a bigger god.
If your god does know the outcome of each multiverse, then once again freewill is laughable.
Now foer your redemption thought, would you be willing to have a sit down talk and share a few beers with a person who is a child rapist and a killer of children?
There are people out there like that you know.
So if everyone gets redemption, would this apply to kiddie fiddlers/murderers?
Look I truly don't know.
However I do know the books were written by a man or men, whether inspired devinely or compelled divinely.
But my reasoning sounds alot more sound than "Do as I say, not as I do.
In short if I have to spend the rest of my afterlife with the worlds John Wayne Gacy's and Ted Bundy's just because they may have been able to ask for forgiveness at the last minute,...
I'll take the alternative thank you.
reply to post by ExCommando
Yes, it sure is typical & arrogant~! might want to double check your scripture before spouting off 'from memory'
Here's how it's going to go down ..
& the 144,000 are the JEWS that have accepted Christ as their LORD and Savior.
It's typical - man attempts to "add" facts to scripture.
Yes, it sure is typical & arrogant~! might want to double check your scripture before spouting off 'from memory'
Here's how it's going to go down ..
1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 (New International Version 1984, ©1984)
14 We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
& the 144,000 are the JEWS that have accepted Christ as their LORD and Savior.
If there is a rapture on May 21, there are a few critical concerns that come to mind. While many spend time arguing the religious aspects of such a
Rapture, I see it in another manner. It is that "other" manner that I wish to offer as food for thought.
The bible states that 144K will be raptured or saved. Whenever I consider this small number saved from all over the planet, I think that perhaps some person that we know or that we might be sitting next to suddenly disappears. The disappearance if witnessed will be the exact type of first hand witness account that could lead to proving that a rapture has in fact occurred.
Those that actually witness first hand, will be witnesses to personal disappearances that will be believed by many to be religious in nature and to be a sign that perhaps a rapture did occur. I mention this because 144K saved on a planet of billions is not very many, so if there is a rapture, those that get gone, may not be observed when they go and in that observation fact lies the ability for deception.
If the scenario I just describe occurs, then knowing about such human disappearances is going to be hard to know about, when the chances of being next to someone who does get raptured are so low and if such an occurrence does occur, then it stands to reason that it can be easily covered up based on lag time or reports.
Any national level emergency could easily obscure any communication of the fact that people have disappeared if say we lose the internet, TV and radio. Add in a serious natural emergency to cover up the sightings and this small aspect becomes more important to consider before we get to May 21.
What I am trying to state is that if a rapture does occur, we may not know it when it happens unless we get raptured or see it with our own eyes. Since TPTB can obscure the truth of such a rapture spread out over the planet, the ability to keep such an event quiet becomes very easy for TPTB to disguise or ignore if only 144k get raptured.
Now on the other hand, if we have large scale numbers of millions of humans all gone in a flash, then millions suddenly missing raises the concern that TPTB wanted staged a false rapture, all they would have to do is use their Death Ray secret weapons like the ones that dematerialized the steel beams of the Twin Towers and turned a building and everyone into micron level dust right before our eyes.
If such a weapon like I just mentioned is used on the human population, then TPTB could deceive the masses that a rapture is occurring when in fact, you would be seeing millions disappear due to being vaporized so fast and to cleanly that religious types and the uninformed see it as some spiritual act, instead of the technical and scientific use of a secret weapon used on the masses. If that weapon is so advanced that we have never seen it used, it becomes the covert way such a deception could be sold as religious, when in fact, it is the secret use of a "Death Ray" weapon of mass destruction and wholesale genocide.
The bottom line is if a real rapture does occur, we may never hear enough personal disappearances to consider a true rapture and if we hear of wholesale groups of people missing in open venues like stadiums and or big cities where millions disappear, then the question of whether it is really religious in nature or whether it is the evil deception of those that would use secret weapons to vaporize millions while calling it a rapture becomes a must know item before getting depressed about being left behind.
If we see millions vaporized and the clothes left behind like in those Hollywood movies, "poof", then we could be witnessing the wholesale genocide of millions while disguising the slaughter as a religious act called the rapture.
We don't have long to find out, so just remember, if something actually happens that goes unnoticed or concealed or if we have wholesale mass disappearances from locations that happen only in the open areas like those caught in the open or in a large area type stadiums. If these open areas are the only places the rapture occurred, then a staged rapture is most likely being sold as truth when in fact we could be witness to secret weapons used to vaporize the masses while TPTB call it a rapture and spin their webs of deceit.
With so many ways that a deception can go, it begins, once we see if the rapture is quiet, or if the supposed rapture is massive in scale and highly visible and noticed. One will be truly religious and the other could be staged. Hiding the truth of a real rapture may be a primary concern for TPTB, but hiding it will be very easy for those that control the media and the internet and the other media sources. On the other hand if the media begins reporting millions missing and calling it a rapture is when I would be concerned.
I hope this offered some additional food for thought on this subject of May 21 and whether or not there is a true rapture or what appears to be millions of humans disappear and TPTB call it a rapture. Once you begin to see the rapture in such a light we must consider if it is real or staged and depending on "how" they inform, will tell us whether we are dealing with a rapture that is being covered up or whether they are wholesale vaporizing humans from space based platforms with a "death ray" and sell the act as "the" rapture.
This is food for thought that I feel warrants consideration regarding May 21, 2011, so we can be prepared to witness how events unfold. Since the unfolding could be very slow and drawn out, proof of a rapture is going to be difficult to prove at first based on those witness statements becoming known or not. It could be weeks before one truly discovers the truth of what happens on May 21.
Something tells me that if "nothing" is sold by the media, then something might have happened and the reason it is difficult to understand is because of the low numbers of 144k spread out among so many billions of humans and how verification is going to be obtained. Therein lies a challenge, but of course this only really matters to those that are left behind, doesn't it?.
I also considered a third option where TPTB already know that only 144k will occur and then decide to use a secret death ray to kill a few extra billion humans while calling it a religious act. Millions will want to be raptured and the NWO is going to accommodate them.
The bible states that 144K will be raptured or saved. Whenever I consider this small number saved from all over the planet, I think that perhaps some person that we know or that we might be sitting next to suddenly disappears. The disappearance if witnessed will be the exact type of first hand witness account that could lead to proving that a rapture has in fact occurred.
Those that actually witness first hand, will be witnesses to personal disappearances that will be believed by many to be religious in nature and to be a sign that perhaps a rapture did occur. I mention this because 144K saved on a planet of billions is not very many, so if there is a rapture, those that get gone, may not be observed when they go and in that observation fact lies the ability for deception.
If the scenario I just describe occurs, then knowing about such human disappearances is going to be hard to know about, when the chances of being next to someone who does get raptured are so low and if such an occurrence does occur, then it stands to reason that it can be easily covered up based on lag time or reports.
Any national level emergency could easily obscure any communication of the fact that people have disappeared if say we lose the internet, TV and radio. Add in a serious natural emergency to cover up the sightings and this small aspect becomes more important to consider before we get to May 21.
What I am trying to state is that if a rapture does occur, we may not know it when it happens unless we get raptured or see it with our own eyes. Since TPTB can obscure the truth of such a rapture spread out over the planet, the ability to keep such an event quiet becomes very easy for TPTB to disguise or ignore if only 144k get raptured.
Now on the other hand, if we have large scale numbers of millions of humans all gone in a flash, then millions suddenly missing raises the concern that TPTB wanted staged a false rapture, all they would have to do is use their Death Ray secret weapons like the ones that dematerialized the steel beams of the Twin Towers and turned a building and everyone into micron level dust right before our eyes.
If such a weapon like I just mentioned is used on the human population, then TPTB could deceive the masses that a rapture is occurring when in fact, you would be seeing millions disappear due to being vaporized so fast and to cleanly that religious types and the uninformed see it as some spiritual act, instead of the technical and scientific use of a secret weapon used on the masses. If that weapon is so advanced that we have never seen it used, it becomes the covert way such a deception could be sold as religious, when in fact, it is the secret use of a "Death Ray" weapon of mass destruction and wholesale genocide.
The bottom line is if a real rapture does occur, we may never hear enough personal disappearances to consider a true rapture and if we hear of wholesale groups of people missing in open venues like stadiums and or big cities where millions disappear, then the question of whether it is really religious in nature or whether it is the evil deception of those that would use secret weapons to vaporize millions while calling it a rapture becomes a must know item before getting depressed about being left behind.
If we see millions vaporized and the clothes left behind like in those Hollywood movies, "poof", then we could be witnessing the wholesale genocide of millions while disguising the slaughter as a religious act called the rapture.
We don't have long to find out, so just remember, if something actually happens that goes unnoticed or concealed or if we have wholesale mass disappearances from locations that happen only in the open areas like those caught in the open or in a large area type stadiums. If these open areas are the only places the rapture occurred, then a staged rapture is most likely being sold as truth when in fact we could be witness to secret weapons used to vaporize the masses while TPTB call it a rapture and spin their webs of deceit.
With so many ways that a deception can go, it begins, once we see if the rapture is quiet, or if the supposed rapture is massive in scale and highly visible and noticed. One will be truly religious and the other could be staged. Hiding the truth of a real rapture may be a primary concern for TPTB, but hiding it will be very easy for those that control the media and the internet and the other media sources. On the other hand if the media begins reporting millions missing and calling it a rapture is when I would be concerned.
I hope this offered some additional food for thought on this subject of May 21 and whether or not there is a true rapture or what appears to be millions of humans disappear and TPTB call it a rapture. Once you begin to see the rapture in such a light we must consider if it is real or staged and depending on "how" they inform, will tell us whether we are dealing with a rapture that is being covered up or whether they are wholesale vaporizing humans from space based platforms with a "death ray" and sell the act as "the" rapture.
This is food for thought that I feel warrants consideration regarding May 21, 2011, so we can be prepared to witness how events unfold. Since the unfolding could be very slow and drawn out, proof of a rapture is going to be difficult to prove at first based on those witness statements becoming known or not. It could be weeks before one truly discovers the truth of what happens on May 21.
Something tells me that if "nothing" is sold by the media, then something might have happened and the reason it is difficult to understand is because of the low numbers of 144k spread out among so many billions of humans and how verification is going to be obtained. Therein lies a challenge, but of course this only really matters to those that are left behind, doesn't it?.
I also considered a third option where TPTB already know that only 144k will occur and then decide to use a secret death ray to kill a few extra billion humans while calling it a religious act. Millions will want to be raptured and the NWO is going to accommodate them.
If someone who calls himself Christ comes from the skies then, I would run because the Anti-Christ supposed to come first.... To fool the world that
he is the messiah, however he is not the messiah but a VERY naughty boy!!
reply to post by Komodo
And you are so sure of this how? Oh yeah, because "the Bible told me so." I love all of the talk of the 144,000 and rapture from the literal reading bible people. So sure of the truth...
& the 144,000 are the JEWS that have accepted Christ as their LORD and Savior.
And you are so sure of this how? Oh yeah, because "the Bible told me so." I love all of the talk of the 144,000 and rapture from the literal reading bible people. So sure of the truth...
What if on May 21st, 2011, "Christ" does "return"?,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Christ says he will return like a thief in the night
and no man knows the day or hour of the Lord's
return.
But just by chance he does guess right
There will be a glorious meeting in the air
which I will be a part of. I await it with great
anticipation and I will shed my earthly yoke
and all my earthly bonds will disappear
and TPTB will have one less slave.
Blessings
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Christ says he will return like a thief in the night
and no man knows the day or hour of the Lord's
return.
But just by chance he does guess right
There will be a glorious meeting in the air
which I will be a part of. I await it with great
anticipation and I will shed my earthly yoke
and all my earthly bonds will disappear
and TPTB will have one less slave.
Blessings
reply to post by MaxBlack
I think that perhaps some person that we know or that we
might be sitting next to suddenly disappears.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I do not think they will disappear.
I think they will just fall over dead.
God only wants their souls, not
their flesh.
I think that perhaps some person that we know or that we
might be sitting next to suddenly disappears.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I do not think they will disappear.
I think they will just fall over dead.
God only wants their souls, not
their flesh.
edit on 5/9/2011 by boondock-saint because: (no reason given)
come on you mad people,it all silly rubbish,nothing will happen on may,there won't be any 2nd coming..
no one coming to save you....
i can't wait for this 2012 bullsh@t to pass,so all these silly religions preaching doom,will see it's nothing more then a mis-interrupted fairytale.
i know the human race,has a inbuilt thing about fear,its the reason some people watch horror movies,even though they know it will sacre the sh@t out of them for a week,or the reason some of you look at horror pics of death,even though you know it will ruin your thought process for a long time.
it's while we get the end timers selling this crap and people lapping it up....religion is all self prophesying rubbish.
a lot of you on here demand proof,and evidence,but when it comes to religion,which has no evindence to back it what so ever,you all turn a blind eye..
blind faith is dangerous...its the reason the world in such a mess.
no one coming to save you....
i can't wait for this 2012 bullsh@t to pass,so all these silly religions preaching doom,will see it's nothing more then a mis-interrupted fairytale.
i know the human race,has a inbuilt thing about fear,its the reason some people watch horror movies,even though they know it will sacre the sh@t out of them for a week,or the reason some of you look at horror pics of death,even though you know it will ruin your thought process for a long time.
it's while we get the end timers selling this crap and people lapping it up....religion is all self prophesying rubbish.
a lot of you on here demand proof,and evidence,but when it comes to religion,which has no evindence to back it what so ever,you all turn a blind eye..
blind faith is dangerous...its the reason the world in such a mess.
Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by SonicInfinity
What if christ does return???
I will first ask him for proof that he is who he claims to be, probably a LONG FORM REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE would be a good start.
Then if he proves I'll ask him why he didn't slam every psycho through history with a lightning bolt.
I'm not too worried about any God coming back, if one does he knew what went on and why everything happened.
Speaking of which, I will ask why he created mass murderers knowing that their soul had been damned to hell even before their parents had been born.
If God knows all and sees all, the idea of freewill is laughable.
See where i'm getting with all this?
That's a good question about the free will and mass murders. I think maybe He see different scenarios about everyone. If you choose this path or these options, this will happen, but if you choose another path, then this will happen. Don't know of course, just my 2 cents worth. Oh BTW the "LONG FORM REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE" is funny. Good one.
hey if Obama would just prove ONE real miracle then they would skip the birth doc...
that is the difference between him and jebus
divinity
that is the difference between him and jebus
divinity
Originally posted by boondock-saint
reply to post by MaxBlack
I think that perhaps some person that we know or that we
might be sitting next to suddenly disappears.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I do not think they will disappear.
I think they will just fall over dead.
God only wants their souls, not
their flesh.
edit on 5/9/2011 by boondock-saint because: (no reason given)
I agree with you on this one! I don't picture just disappearing either. To me, the rapture would be an appolyptic moment.
As to Camping & May 21st, I did read the site, and how he came up with the date. So it's a theory/prediction.
I believe it's soon. The bible never does use the word rapture, so often people are left to believed it will be like the series, "Left Behind," & I don't think so. Could easily see one of these megaquakes causing catastrophic damage, setting off volcanoes, then the bowls poured out (Book of Revelation). I think the rapture (cataclysmic event) will be right before the bowls are poured out (Book of Revelation). & fact, the word, "rapture," is not in the bible!
It is a wonderful time for those that believe, & desire Eternal Life, because death IS a part of life. The Mayan's that say the cycle ends 12/21/2012 also know that death is not to be feared.
God Is Light & Love, Light is Energy, E=mc2 (Einstein's theory). It is our energy/love that makes a choice to connect with GOD/LIGHT/ENERGY/LOVE, or not. The magnitude of polar switch/ heaven opening up & hell releasing it's furry (volcanoes/earth's core of molten lava)... is on horizon, that's my belief. It's a time to choose, to ascend (transformation), to be with God, eternal life, or perish. To me it's awesome because when this level of thinking is grasped, it really makes all of the nonsense of this earth, seem trite. Faith/hope/ & with love being the greatest (corinthians).
Personally I don't think it matters much if Camping's date is correct, I do think we are going to see all of this transofmation SOON though.. regardless of the date/hour.. (only God Knows) we can estimate ... it's about the energy people, LOVE .. E=mc2 GOD IS LIGHT & LOVE.. it's a time of choice, the transformation is, "blink of eye." again, energy/light/love. (imo)
edit on 9-5-2011 by 0731JLVR because: Edit
I swear to god, he's already here - saw him in a combie van at Coolangatta's main beach the other weekend, except he's got dreads now. He seemed
pretty chilled. ;p
Wow... I've never seen so many straw men burning at the same time. Srsly. And I always love it when people who spent maybe a day or two total
studying infidels.org -- er, I mean scripture-- write so confidently about it.
Per the OP, which is just wondering about how this particular date was chosen and might be significant in light of all the other madness going on in the world right now, all the conversation about (and bashing of) the Rapture teaching and Christianity itself is really off-topic anyway. I could try starting one about the Rapture and the Second Coming (not the same event, BTW, though many here are indiscriminately mixing them together), but first I need to try and find out if one has already been started.
Per the OP, which is just wondering about how this particular date was chosen and might be significant in light of all the other madness going on in the world right now, all the conversation about (and bashing of) the Rapture teaching and Christianity itself is really off-topic anyway. I could try starting one about the Rapture and the Second Coming (not the same event, BTW, though many here are indiscriminately mixing them together), but first I need to try and find out if one has already been started.
Originally posted by Nick_X
I casually read something about the Rapture which is meant to start May 21, 2011 has an end date of sometime in October 2011, has anyone else seen this information?
I am guessing that when nothing happens on the 21st of May, that they will pick up this End of Rapture date which is sometime in October.
Found it on Wikipedia
His current end times prediction is that the Rapture will be on May 21, 2011 and that God will completely destroy the Earth and the universe five months later on October 21.[3][4]
Forget about May 21. By the same prediction May 22 will be the Zombie Apocolypse! Buy ammo now.
edit on 9-5-2011 by Volund
because: emphasis added.
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