Study estimates that illegal immigrants paid $11.2B in taxes last year, unlike GE, which paid zero

Just to clear some things up:

Here's the link to the actual report.

These estimates are based on a model developed by the Institute for Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP). The ITEP methodology relies on three pieces of data: 1) an estimate of each state’s unauthorized population; 2) the average family income for unauthorized immigrants; and 3) state-specific tax payments. Of course, it is difficult to know precisely how much these families pay in taxes, because the spending and income behavior of these families is not as well documented as is the case for U.S. citizens. But these estimates represent a sensible best approximation of the taxes these families likely pay.

More importantly:

■Sales tax is automatic, so it is assumed that unauthorized residents would pay sales tax at similar rates to U.S. citizens and legal immigrants with similar income levels.

■Similar to sales tax, property taxes are hard to avoid, and unauthorized immigrants are assumed to pay the same property taxes as others with the same income level. ITEP assumes that most unauthorized immigrants are renters, and only calculates the taxes paid by renters.

■Income tax contributions by the unauthorized population are less comparable to other populations because many unauthorized immigrants work “off the books” and income taxes are not automatically withheld from their paychecks. ITEP conservatively estimates that 50 percent of unauthorized immigrants are paying income taxes.

Originally posted by mwood
They say that:

"Study estimates that illegal immigrants paid $11.2B in taxes last year, unlike GE, which paid zero"


That may be true but the problem is that if ILLEGAL immigrates paid those taxes they had to have a social security number and if they did then they are guilty of Identity fraud. They are using somebodies numbers and that's ANOTHER crime.

It's possible for them to get tax ID numbers, I believe.

Also, sales and property taxes do not require a social security number.

Originally posted by Doublemint

Originally posted by hypervigilant
People that gripe about illegals not paying taxes are nuts.. They have to have false social security cards to get jobs and the money they pay in isn't going to be filed on or they would be caught and deported... They pay a bigger part of their income than those that make the same or a considerable amount more and file for returns with deductions while the fat cats living in gated communities milk the middle class and the poor wet backs... This is the real reason there is no real effort to deport these people back to Mexico but no one is going to acknowledge that because they might focus on the real drain on the wealth of this nation that has led it's citizens to believe so many lies that the truth is referred to as conspiracy theory.

well I know for a fact that illegal immigrants do not need social security cards to get jobs maybe for better jobs but not all jobs. and the middle class lives in gated communities too just to let you know.

If you know for a fact that there are illegal aliens without a Social Security card working and being paid , why haven't you turned in the criminals they are working for..... I moved to where I presently live from a very well to do private resort community so I know for a fact who lives in gated communities.

Originally posted by hypervigilant
well I know for a fact that illegal immigrants do not need social security cards to get jobs maybe for better jobs but not all jobs. and the middle class lives in gated communities too just to let you know.

If you know for a fact that there are illegal aliens without a Social Security card working and being paid , why haven't you turned in the criminals they are working for..... I moved to where I presently live from a very well to do private resort community so I know for a fact who lives in gated communities.

Because I don't care if they are illegal or not. and I geuss you don't know just how big the middle class is.

reply to post by Doublemint
If people weren't illegally hiring illegals they would either be paying taxes into someones account that they can't file on or unemployed... What on earth makes you think you know more about what is middle class than me or anybody else does... I can assure you that the number of people that are referred to as middle class has been getting smaller and less prosperous for quite awhile.

reply to post by Ufokrazy

Thats why America isnt that tough on illegals there. They would be giving up all that tax money. Hmmm i wonder if there is a thread about that?

reply to post by jaycen420
Yeah, they pay in a bunch and wars cost a bunch when corporate contracts are awarded without a bidding process and it is costing $1000,000 per combatant a year for them to be wherever the hell they end up... I understand that President Obama is supposed to announce a tougher stance on the illegal alien situation tomorrow.

reply to post by hypervigilant


LOL Obama has said he is going to do alot of things but what has he accomplished really?

reply to post by jaycen420


Obama is part of the same lineage as the rest of them, he just looks different. Like the others he does what is in the best interest of the military industrial complex Eisenhower warned about when he left office... When I was a little kid and JFK had just been elected I was told by my father that no president is in control of the country and there are people that tell them what to say and do that we will never hear of.... It sounded crazy to me then but now I am able to see what he was talking about.. He said the election was a popularity contest and the president was a figurehead that went through the motions that present an illusion of power but really has very little.

Many illegal report to there employers that they are married with 6+ kids.

Someone i know bought a bankrupt machine shop and in the process got all there old employee records.

He ran a check on the ex employees that showed up wanting work when he reopened the shop and found most were illegals and many were single but on the old business records they had for tax purposes listed married with 6+ children so that the minimum taxes would be taken from there paychecks.

He turned all the records over to the IRS and state tax people.

If the illegals payed true taxes on earning it likely would come to not $11.2B but $22.4 or $33.8B.

There are a number of once illegals that went through the last amnesty that still report children that they never had on there taxes because its just about imposable for the IRS to tell if they still have children in Mexico where they claim these children live,

Then there is a number of employers that hire day labor that take out the taxes but never report the employees and pocket the money.
This is real common in the construction industry.

Originally posted by Fiberx
reply to post by User8911

 

Cheap labor drives down wages for many many Americans. It undermines ones ability to negotiate ones value. Someone is willing to undercut you, especially if they are "invisible" and can be paid under the table, paying no income tax.

And who's fault is that really? Is it really the fault of immigrants? Or is it the fault of greedy corporate America that wants maximum profits on everything while refusing to pay an honest man for an honest days work?
Could it be that American employers prefer immigrant workers because they work hard regardless of the pay? Could it be because US citizens wont work hard for low wages because it is "beneath" them?

Migrants come to the US because they can find work, and they work hard, they accept low wages because it is better than no wages at all back in their homeland, whether that be Mexico or wherever else, and they can only get work in the US because AMERICANS employ them. People give them work that they desperately need, you cant blame them for accepting it, if you want to point the finger, point it at the AMERICAN employers

reply to post by User8911


All the jobs they do were being done by citizens that were uneducated and had little abilities.

It began when th Progressives pushed through legislation that would help the citizens of low income.

They found out that if they could get FREE money from the government then why work!

I see illegals and even legals of low education of the Latino ethnicity (Yes ,it is a ethnicity,not a race) performed work that I knew 30 years ago were done by black Americans.

Where are the blacks that use to do these jobs,them?

In prison.

Your post title is misleading

They receive way more money than they give.

And they commit more crime than the legal citizens do.

That has been proven.

Illegals are a drain on society.

And they send a lot of the money out of the country.

All immigrants do.

Money earned in a country and not spent in the country will cause a crisis,in the market place.

How much would gas cost if there were 15 million illegal drivers not filling up?

These people are not counted on the census so the government has no idea how many there are here actually.

"These people are not counted on the census so the government has no idea how many there are here actually. "

Actually I was a Census worker last year an enumerator and a field supervisor and one of the questions was is there anyone else living here that is not living anywhere else ...something to that effect. This was the government's 1st attempt at counting illegals. We were told to encourage the truth from suspected illegals by telling them, we are not the ICE and we are not here to deport or investigate legal status, only here to get count of people living in U.S.

reply to post by PrinceDreamer


I believe I am pointing at employers AND undocumented aliens. It's a vicious cycle on both ends. Rich exploit poor, poor exploit system, average American takes pain...

The whole process needs to be dealt with.

Huge fines for hiring illegals, strict verification requirements and enforcement of laws = no jobs for illegals, no access to support via tax money = No reason to violate US immigration laws.

The bit about Americans not working for low wages is not a proof of your concept either. It is a proof of mine (thanks). Lets just make the poor even MORE poor by forcing them to accept 3rd world wages so the corps and business owners can afford the Third car while their employees wonder if they can pay rent!

Originally posted by PrinceDreamer

Originally posted by Fiberx
reply to post by User8911

 

Cheap labor drives down wages for many many Americans. It undermines ones ability to negotiate ones value. Someone is willing to undercut you, especially if they are "invisible" and can be paid under the table, paying no income tax.

And who's fault is that really? Is it really the fault of immigrants? Or is it the fault of greedy corporate America that wants maximum profits on everything while refusing to pay an honest man for an honest days work?
Could it be that American employers prefer immigrant workers because they work hard regardless of the pay? Could it be because US citizens wont work hard for low wages because it is "beneath" them?

Migrants come to the US because they can find work, and they work hard, they accept low wages because it is better than no wages at all back in their homeland, whether that be Mexico or wherever else, and they can only get work in the US because AMERICANS employ them. People give them work that they desperately need, you cant blame them for accepting it, if you want to point the finger, point it at the AMERICAN employers

So you would rather we take a step backward and work our butts off for low wages? America didn't get this far by following the ways of a third world nation. If illegals want to live twenty people in an apartment so they can afford those low wages, it doesn't mean an American is going to lower themselves to those standards of living.

Corporations are to blame for their greed and illegals are to blame for stealing identities, using false documents, and placing themsleves above the law of the land. Try that in another Country and see how far they get.

Originally posted by Fiberx
reply to post by PrinceDreamer

 

The bit about Americans not working for low wages is not a proof of your concept either. It is a proof of mine (thanks). Lets just make the poor even MORE poor by forcing them to accept 3rd world wages so the corps and business owners can afford the Third car while their employees wonder if they can pay rent!

Originally posted by Night Star

Originally posted by PrinceDreamer

Originally posted by Fiberx
reply to post by User8911

 

Cheap labor drives down wages for many many Americans. It undermines ones ability to negotiate ones value. Someone is willing to undercut you, especially if they are "invisible" and can be paid under the table, paying no income tax.

And who's fault is that really? Is it really the fault of immigrants? Or is it the fault of greedy corporate America that wants maximum profits on everything while refusing to pay an honest man for an honest days work?
Could it be that American employers prefer immigrant workers because they work hard regardless of the pay? Could it be because US citizens wont work hard for low wages because it is "beneath" them?

Migrants come to the US because they can find work, and they work hard, they accept low wages because it is better than no wages at all back in their homeland, whether that be Mexico or wherever else, and they can only get work in the US because AMERICANS employ them. People give them work that they desperately need, you cant blame them for accepting it, if you want to point the finger, point it at the AMERICAN employers

So you would rather we take a step backward and work our butts off for low wages? America didn't get this far by following the ways of a third world nation. If illegals want to live twenty people in an apartment so they can afford those low wages, it doesn't mean an American is going to lower themselves to those standards of living.

Corporations are to blame for their greed and illegals are to blame for stealing identities, using false documents, and placing themsleves above the law of the land. Try that in another Country and see how far they get.

Seems you both missed my point really, my point was not directed at the American worker, far from it but at the corporations and employers hence my statement

Or is it the fault of greedy corporate America that wants maximum profits on everything while refusing to pay an honest man for an honest days work?

I said this because this is the excuse the employers always give as they criticize people who don't want minimum wage jobs

Could it be because US citizens wont work hard for low wages because it is "beneath" them?

I lay the blame at the employers, immigrants are just doing what they need to do to survive and get on in life, we would do the same if we faced their circumstances, and while people still create opportunities for them in the USA they will keep coming