Unconditional Love and God

Often I hear from the christian community that God exemplifies the purest form of love.... Unconditional love. He also asks us to show unconditional love to not only ourselfs and friends, but our enemies as well. With this being said, the concept of only a select few that choose to accept Him as their savior will be saved while the others will either perish and cease to exist or burn in hell forever is quite contradictory. If God truly shows pure and perfected love for all of his creations (satan and his demons included) should all be saved since there is no conditon to receiving Gods love thus meaning their is no condition for being saved.

I also bring up the accounts of God not practicing what He preaches:

In 2 Kings 10:18-27, Judges 21, Joshua 6, Deutoeronamy 3, 1 Chronicles 21 God orders the murder thousands since they are not his people (even though He created them) and that they worship another god. These are just a small handful of cases in which God doesn't practice Unconditional Love but the exact opposite.

I am very curious to see what everyone has to say. I intend no offense with this post and I am simply trying to generate conversation on the matter.

reply to post by UnknownPhilosopher


What i get from god is he loves uncondisionaly as long as he dosent get jealous of other gods there may or may not be (Dont believe in GOD himself i have a earthmother belief)

God didn't write the bible, so i don't see how God contradicts himself in said book.

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Some people think it was. Many believe its infallible. This is more for those people.

While I am, for all intents and purposes, a Christian I do have a somewhat unconventional belief about salvation. Consider that there are many religions in the world and most of those are based in lands where a lot of people will not get the message of the bible. Many of those people will be very good people and pretty much follow their religion's version of the 10 commandments. I do not believe that a truly loving God will condemn them all to eternal hell just because they never had a chance in this life to study the bible and accept Christ as their savior. I believe that they will be given that chance after death and only those people who are truly evil and unwilling to repent their sins will be sent to eternal damnation.

Often I hear from the christian community that God exemplifies the purest form of love....

reply to post by UnknownPhilosopher


Which one? God, that is.


Ed: Yahweh or the guy that Jesus referred to as 'The Father'. Thanks.

If God truly shows pure and perfected love for all of his creations (satan and his demons included) should all be saved since there is no conditon to receiving Gods love thus meaning their is no condition for being saved.

I think it is meant that yes there is unconditional love but if you tune away from god then there is the gruesome ending which you have said. In essence in a way good is meeting your condition of turning away from him. Since when you turn away from god you are sayign you want to go your own way. And not recieve gods love.

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The only thing about that is that all but a few people in history would repent there sins (Hitler, Nepolian, Cesar, Ect.) so wouldnt that mean that Almost all of us would be in heaven? wouldnt that mean that heaven would break loose rather than hell in that way of thought?

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Interesting point of view. Though I must say, if God exemplifies unconditional love then even the truly evil and unrepentent are saved since there is no condition for Him to love someone and be saved.

Originally posted by UnknownPhilosopher
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Some people think it was. Many believe its infallible. This is more for those people.

Some people believe Jesus was God too, but he wasn't. God didn't write the bible, this is a fact that can't be disputed...Inspired by him, perhaps but written by him....no chance.

Though the word of Jesus is infallible, the bible is mearly a book written by men with agendas, used to control the populous by means of fear.

Originally posted by American-philosopher

If God truly shows pure and perfected love for all of his creations (satan and his demons included) should all be saved since there is no conditon to receiving Gods love thus meaning their is no condition for being saved.

I think it is meant that yes there is unconditional love but if you tune away from god then there is the gruesome ending which you have said. In essence in a way good is meeting your condition of turning away from him. Since when you turn away from god you are sayign you want to go your own way. And not recieve gods love.

then gods love would be conditional in the way that if you turn from him then he will no longer give his love.

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I understand this. Many believe it was the inspired word, that god wrote through these men. I dont agree with alot of these ideas, in essence, I am playing devils advocate on behalf of the unspoken.

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Many believe them to be the same.

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This was a way to convert everyone as you were saying by fear, If enough people told them that Paganistic belief was evil and that one god would send them to an ancient place of damnation and suffering then fear in a lesser-evolved mind would cause histeria and panic, forcing a belief and letting it spread, I have a post on the matter that most christian holidays and Satan were derived of Pagan and Old middle-Eastern Religons.

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Originally posted by UnknownPhilosopher
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I understand this. Many believe it was the inspired word, that god wrote through these men. I dont agree with alot of these ideas, in essence, I am playing devils advocate on behalf of the unspoken.

I engage in this debate on these forums on the regular actually. I love it when people claim Jesus was God, though theres no way to prove it considering he never made that claim. It leaves the situation open to peoples assumptions which are rarely correct.

The words of Jesus are pure and true, but i put little stock in the rest of the bible.

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by UnknownPhilosopher
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Some people think it was. Many believe its infallible. This is more for those people.

Some people believe Jesus was God too, but he wasn't. God didn't write the bible, this is a fact that can't be disputed...Inspired by him, perhaps but written by him....no chance.

Though the word of Jesus is infallible, the bible is mearly a book written by men with agendas, used to control the populous by means of fear.

Are you stating Jesus wasn't god according to your beliefs or the writings of the Bible? The agenda part and using the Bible as a means of control you are 100% right, but thats a conversation for another day

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That is true as well. Most holidays were adopted along the way as the crusade of christianity spread across the world. It did make it easier for other cultures to adapt by using these methods.


As well with hell, physical and spiritual death wasnt incorporated into teaching until Justinian took reign, he also used this as a control mechanism. Reincarnation was widely accepted until around the 8th century.

Originally posted by UnknownPhilosopher

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by UnknownPhilosopher
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Some people think it was. Many believe its infallible. This is more for those people.

Some people believe Jesus was God too, but he wasn't. God didn't write the bible, this is a fact that can't be disputed...Inspired by him, perhaps but written by him....no chance.

Though the word of Jesus is infallible, the bible is mearly a book written by men with agendas, used to control the populous by means of fear.

Are you stating Jesus wasn't god according to your beliefs or the writings of the Bible? The agenda part and using the Bible as a means of control you are 100% right, but thats a conversation for another day

Yes im saying Jesus was not God according to the bible. I have no doubt he was sent to the world by God. His words were unlike any who have spoken before. He preached peace and love for all man kind, but the rest of the bible is quite the opposite in many cases.

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Intersting you say this. Most people dont think to look at that. It is typically taken for granted. He doesn't ever claim to god but claims to be of god and the son of god which we all claim. As well many argue that he said he was the messiah, which we all know was a form of political and spiritual leader but not god himself. I am glad you brought that up (without throwing too much of my own beliefs in there). Its a very important aspect to consider.

Here's what I struggle with.

One thing we know that's true is that the universe is evolving, and constantly progressing toward a higher state. With this knowledge, how can my infinitesimal life span relative to that of creation, condemn me to an eternity anywhere?

Be it heaven or hell, I don't see anyway that I can be confined to an eternity with out the opportunity to explore existence. If my eternity is determined by the decisions I make in my miniscule life, then so be it. It's destined. No free will.