Osama bin Laden 2004 statement about the 9/11 attacks,does that sound like a criminal to you?

I will start with a important statement that i do not approve of violence and murder,for any cause...
Everyday we say how freedom is the most important and how we all need it,do you think muslim people don't need freedom?

I wish people start to care more about loving each other,than money or power,but as this is not the case world is filled with hate and violence...but hate produces more hate and can do nothing to improve our society.

Ok,so this is allegedly a statement from Osama bin Laden from 2004 video you can find on youtube:

To the American people, my talk to you is about the best way to avoid another Manhattan, about the war, its reasons and its consequences .. I tell you: Security is an important element of human life, and free people do not give up their security. Unlike what Bush says that we hate freedom, let him tell us why didn't we attack Sweden, for example.

It is known that those who hate freedom do not have dignified souls, like those of the 19 blessed ones. We fought you because we are free ... and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our security we undermine yours.

Even as you enter the fourth year after the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush is still misleading and deluding you and hiding the real reason from you. Consequently, there are still reasons to repeat what happened. I will tell you about the reasons behind these attacks and will tell you the truth about the moments during which the decision was made, for you to contemplate.

God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind. The incidents that affected me directly go back to 1982 and afterward, when America allowed Israelis to invade Lebanon, with the help of the American 6th Fleet.

In these tough moments, many things raged inside me that are hard to describe, but they resulted in a strong feeling against injustice and a strong determination to punish the unjust.

While I was looking at these destroyed towers in Lebanon, it sparked in my mind that the tyrant should be punished with the same and that we should destroy towers in America, so that it tastes what we taste and would be deterred from killing our children and women.

We did not find it difficult to deal with Bush and his administration, because it is similar to regimes in our countries, half of which are ruled by the military and the other half are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents. We have a long experience with them. Both types include many who are full of arrogance and greed.

This resemblance became clear in the Bush the father's visits to the region. ... He wound up being impressed by the royal and military regimes and envied them for staying decades in their positions and embezzling the nation's money with no supervision.

He passed on tyranny and oppression to his son, and they called it the Patriot Act, under the pretext of fighting terror. Bush the father did well in placing his sons as governors and did not forget to pass on the expertise in fraud from the leaders of the (Mideast) region to Florida to use it in critical moments.

We had agreed with the general emir Mohammed Atta, God bless his soul, to carry out all operations within 20 minutes before Bush and his administration noticed. It never occurred to us that the commander in chief of the American armed forces would leave 50,000 of his citizens in the two towers to face these horrors alone.

It appeared to him (Bush) that a little girl's talk about her goat and its butting was more important than the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers. That gave us three times the required time to carry out the operations, thank God.

Your security is not in the hands of Kerry, Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands. Any state that does not mess with our security has naturally guaranteed its own security.


What i am pointing out is that we must be aware that a single man is not the source of destruction,or hate.We must be united in peace and not in hate.
I hope there will be no more need for terrorists,or wars,or destruction of any kind.
If one man kills it is a murder but if army kills it is justice and war,that is contra-productive thinking.
Here is a nice Bible verse for you:
But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Matthew 5:39

VIOLENCE IS NOT THE WAY
I see a better world...but we all must contribute to it

Peace my brothers

Do you have a source for this? It almost seems fake. The Bible verse at the very end contradicts everything else that he's talking about, and I doubt he'd be foolish enough to write something like that.

Actually, after looking at it again, it seems the Bible verse is from you, and not Osama. You might want to clarify who is saying what in your post.

And another thing...operations codename was Geronimo...
Can you see the strange coincidence or not?

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by AlwaysStoned


He is/was a human after-all...

I guess we should remember that about everyone.

reply to post by killuminati2012


It is official translation of his statement on the 9/11 attacks,and the Bible verse has nothing to do with him,but rather with us...
We can always respond with violence but the hard thing is to turn the other cheek...i am pointing out that we must all better ourselves,because the death of one man is not a solution to anything,it only brings more hate and revenge

Yeah, but one has to consider the purpose of such missives. And how much the words can really be trusted. I can see it both ways, so it's hard to make a call.

This letter is pretty eerie to re-read too: bin Laden's 'letter to America' Revisited

If those are his words, he makes a valid point. We're fine with attacking other countries but as soon as they hit back, we cry foul and give up our rights to sort out the "evil-doers".

If I could comfortably live on my own island where I'm only responsible for me, I surely would. Lies, corruption and war has ruined the world beyond repair and nothing short of God will ever fix it. The simple presence of greed, ignorance and stupidity guarantees there will never be this unifying peace on Earth everyone prays wills miraculously happen. The Bush'es are devils that hid behind a veil of patriotism that the mindless "Go America, Yay Freedom" zombies that make up the majority of the country couldn't get enough of, even as they ran the country into the dirt for their own selfish gains.

I'm sick of the whole charade.

reply to post by AlwaysStoned


You do realize that on this very site, there has been evidence presented that bin Laden was dead long before 2004?

You can read the ATS thread here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Furthermore, bin Laden denied any role in the 9/11 Attacks. There are numerous places around the net to the story, but here's a CNN link to the story:

CNN: Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks


There were many news stories, terror alerts, and bin Laden messages that were released by the Bush administration and most of them were timed with political events or were released to sway the political agenda:


Bush administration False Terror Alerts Pt.1:




Bush administration False Terror Alerts Pt.2:

reply to post by TarzanBeta


Yea,i mean can anyone really rejoice in someones misfortune?

There is so much hate in this world and people choose to respond with hate...i am not approving at his actions at all,i just think he is not SOB that everyone is making him to be...he was a man who responded with hate on hate.
Not a right thing to do...

reply to post by AlwaysStoned


It seems like he was sort of an arab version of a cross between Malcolm X and Huey P Newton. ...when a person has too strong of a voice and is too influential, the government vilifies them, then kills them to the cheers of the masses.

If Osama had been an American doing this to another country in the name of "Freedom", everyone would be sucking his balls.

reply to post by AlwaysStoned


Out of curiosity sake can you provide the link you used for that "direct" translation?

reply to post by AlwaysStoned


A lot of people do choose to mask their guilt with justification...
and others truly wish suffering on others.

But who willingly admits these sentiments at the same time as admitting they are wrong?

Honesty doesn't require perfection, but responsibility.

If people got over their fear of imperfection, we might be more perfect.

Originally posted by AlwaysStoned

Matthew 5:39

It comes across to me as a bit fake. bin Laden was well educated and I'm guessing but I'd say he could speak fluent English. In this he's addressing America, I would just assume that he would have put some thought into what he would have wanted to say. It just doesn't sit right.

As regards the Biblical quote. If this was infact his words trying to get a message across to what is a Christian country it would be perfect to choose a quote from the Bible to emphasise the message. Though I agree that the quote seems to be contradictory.

To me this appears to be a statement from someone who is trying to appear to be Osama bin Laden.

reply to post by GhettoRice


www.youtube.com...

Here you go mate,and under the video is the translation,i think there is another part somewhere though...But the translation is full.

reply to post by JohnGeeTee


Hahahaha lololol,i never said he is citing the Bible passage...i have put it there because i find it very inspiring,if that message was understood by a wider population,we wouldn't need wars...

Sorry if i confused you,i still have to learn to present a thread like it should be presented

i agree we should stop believing all the lies our governments tell us and so forth they believe in an eye for an eye a life for a life and our world will never progress with this solution how many people have to die before people work this out by going to Afghanistan we've cost ten fold the lives that the 9/11 attack cost yet we are still there causing pain and suffering.
all that those people want is us to leave and we would most likely be left alone for fear of reoccupation i for one believed that we had to go to Afghanistan because of all the lies on the news its pretty obvious that most people want the our guys out but it isn't our decision. we are just the sheep following the flock...
(s&f)

Originally posted by AlwaysStoned
reply to post by JohnGeeTee

 

Hahahaha lololol,

Ahh Ok. No harm done. Now I get the 'AlwaysStoned' moniker.

lol

reply to post by JohnGeeTee


Hehe,i love love what can i say,guilty as charged...weed=love
I was using drugs in my youth but i came to understanding that if something changes your perception you should not take it.

Godspeed mate

I'm very, very angry at our government right now but no way would I consider the points made by this man (although I will agree some of what he says makes sense). I still love my country and it's citizens.

Every bad person can toss out a couple of good points here and there. Which he does and others like him have done before. But I still consider him a bad person not deserving of my attention. If lunatics made no sense whatsoever, they wouldn't attract the followings they do.

It's like someone killing my family members and the murderer telling me how horrible they were, what all they did to deserve it, and other attempts to get me to sympathize with their plight. Even if I was angry with family, I would still plug my ears and not listen to the murderer.

I don't know how far his involvement really goes and I am aware of the conspiracies surrounding him but he is still not one I will ever listen to.

It takes a friend and someone I respect to open my eyes- not someone like him.

I understand my opinion will not be popular here but it is how I feel. As in, I will strongly consider the stripping of our rights, our military imperialism, and other such points brought to me by fellow patriots. But not this guy.

So if that is what Osama said, than he really did organize the attack. I find that hard to believe, still. But if he said it...

So American-Israeli forces attacked Lebanon, before 9/11, according to Osama. This is when he saw it fit to attack America, in retaliation, for justice (which actually seems just, despite killing being wholly wrong), to show America what it felt like, to share the pain.

Osama makes it seem like Bush knew of the attacks, before they occurred, but didn't care, cause it seemed like a good situation to help advance Their agenda, I'm sure. This is all my interpretation.

It still seems really fishy. I'm still not convinced Osama had anything to do with 9/11, I still think he was just a scapegoat