US Official calls 9/11 and Osama bin Laden Death "Hoax"

Originally posted by burntheships

Originally posted by kgorman
Even just posting something saying "I know good sources about this guy exist, and I'm working on finding them now" is enough to at least put a hold on the deletion processes.

Thank you kgorman, this is really good to know.
Sometimes people lose clarity of thought and all good effort is lost.

It would be a great thing if you could start a thread here on ATS about this!

I am sure many here on ATS would be very interested in knowing this information.

All of that information is available on Wiki.

Just get an account and learn how it works.

Now CNN is saying that there was actually no fire fight, just a shot or two fired by OBL's assistant, after el presidente announced there was a "fierce fire fight." last Sunday night. Seems the story changes every few minutes. They'll get it down to something someone might believe within a few weeks. Can't wait.

And of course the records they found sound SCARY! Danger, Danger...Enhance All Surveillance!

reply to post by Videot


There Was No Firefight

There was fire, but no real firefight. That's the latest revision in the White House's version of events during the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound. The fire came from some 20 Navy Seals who shot dead bin Laden and three other men and a woman, only one of whom was armed, officials say now.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by vlady95

 

Sounds almost not like a raving lunatic until he asserts the whole thing, I guess 9-11 hoax and the bombing of the towers too, and hiding of Osama bin Ladens body in a deep freeze, was orchestrated to boost Obamas plummeting rating in the polls.

I guess they got Osamas family to go along with it too. They must all be Obama supporters.

You know defense department or not people do grow senile.

Why didn't anyone believe him when he came out with this stuff in 2002?

edit on 5-5-2011 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)

These conspiracies span many Presidencies. When you look at the Patriot Act, how it was originally drafted in the Clinton admin under some different name, it took a major disaster to get it enacted. This is exactly now the NWO acts. False Flag OPs are manufactured for the purpose of getting the people to give up their liberties, and only then can they get the American people to surrender to their Totalitarian plan. Another tactic is to take someone who strikes immediate popularity with certain groups of people, and get them to follow him religiously, and then he can do all these outrageous things that otherwise nobody in their right mind would follow. The Left/Right paradigm works especially well in this regard, as long as the person appears "centrist" enough to capture enough of both parties.
So, we have the Patriot Act which only passes after 9-11 when the people are in a state of shock and the public(and even Congress) can be convinced that this legislation and invasion of privacy and of our papers and homes is necessary for safety. Anyone now trying to reverse it will be told, oh but it's working so well, we have not had any major attacks since then, and then they just have smaller False Flags to implement groping and cancer causing radiation techniques at airports to further terrorize Americans and keep touristis from bringing more flow to the economy(thats part of the Soros plan to ruin our economy so we will submit to the Sociailist/Totalitarian Utopia).
I've heard it said that Socialism eats the seed corn. What will they do once they have siphoned off the wealth from all the partially wealthy bourgeoisie? How's depopulation strike you?
In answer to your question, what I say is that not enough people were awake. Look how the Internet has changed the landscape over the last decade? Some may say that typing into a forum is just a way of blowing off steam but nothing gets done. Well, I disagree. It is part of the communication wars, and that's why now they are talking about locking down the Internet with so-called "Net Neutrality". I'm convinced that those who espouse this concept are genuine Totalitarians at heart. It may sound all wonderful that everyone in the whole US and even people in foreign lands will have broadband, but everyone would be under a prison type of Internet like the Great Firewall of China. Google it and see what you find. Plus, it would be another way of taxation and they will surveil us big time, only it will be completely legal.I read George Orwell when I was about 16, so I have always thought that this kind of Totalitarian landscape could occur and when I later read the works of Antony Sutton and found out about Skull and Bones and the NWO, I knew it was the plan.You can call it whatever you like, call it Socialism, communism, capitalism, Totalitarianism, Globalism, Do-goodism, whateverism. Call it Big Govt, Big Pharma, Big Business, Big whatever.

edit on 5-5-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

edit on 5-5-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

I get this.

What I don't get is why people who were just screwed over by the Patriot Act go ahead and allow a second offense to be brought upon them in the form of the full body scanners and feel up at the hands of the TSA?

We might have fought this and had a great chance to stop it but too many "Patriots" fought against the democrats trying to uphold the Constitution saying - IF IT MAKES ME SAFER IN THE AIR I AM ALL FOR IT!

And this was after the midterm when dems had taken a hard hit. Unless we were all on the same page this thing was going to be pushed through. We were divided and it did. Rapiscan is happy, republicans who enjoy the attention at the airports are happy but people who actually do defend our Constitution are wringing their hands saying are you people blind? Stupid? What is the major malfunction here????

So take the Constitution and use it as a doormat because this is what it appears to be worth.

I am sick of hearing people say their rights are stripped away from them while they sit on their hands and allow it to happen, even fight those trying to prevent it from happening, without so much as a peep.

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And we haven't had any attacks since then because now as then the Taliban or Al Qaida are simply ill equipped and incompetent to carry out such an attack. They are incapable of doing it and they always have been. Read into that what you will.

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WOW!! i had never heard of that before and had to goggle it to ck it out,that is CRAZY!.Were gonna get one on friday and fold like the link below says...Thank you for the info!.

The link below will tell you how to fold a 20$ bill so you can see the World trade center and the Pentagon on fire!!
www.democraticunderground.com...

Originally posted by AwareOfSurroundings
May I ask how you made this thread when you just registered with ATS today, and you have only made two comments and they were on this thread. You need to have 20 posts before you can make a thread....

Great question and good observation....How does this person do this??...Anyone know?

Originally posted by StarLightStarBright2

Originally posted by AwareOfSurroundings
May I ask how you made this thread when you just registered with ATS today, and you have only made two comments and they were on this thread. You need to have 20 posts before you can make a thread....

Great question and good observation....How does this person do this??...Anyone know?

Thanks, I'm glad I noticed it. I would really like to know how that is possible. Kind of as if he only registered just to make that thread. Seemed a little weird to me. I'm very curious.

How do you guys know this Steve R. Pieczenik really was working, where he says he was?

Show the truth, in case you believe it yourselves to be true, and on what grounds you expect others to do so too..

This is what spreading the truth is about, so please, tell me how anyone here knows, he was working where ever he says he was working at..

After that, we can continue to spreading his information, as being true..

Probably been on here before, but this is from way back in Dec 2001.......

www.foxnews.com...

Wow, that is crazy. See, the american people are not so easily fooled nowadays with our access to the internet and sites such as this. I see mass censorship coming soon. Bye, bye "Freedom of speech".

Originally posted by mlamothe
reply to post by Videot

 

There Was No Firefight

There was fire, but no real firefight. That's the latest revision in the White House's version of events during the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound. The fire came from some 20 Navy Seals who shot dead bin Laden and three other men and a woman, only one of whom was armed, officials say now.

there was only fire from the first person they encountered
in the guest house. Everybody in the main house was not armed.
And they shot them ALL dead.

I remember a story not so long ago about something
very similar where a group of people went in and
murdered an entire family who was unarmed.
Maybe you heard that same story too.
I think the name was Charles Manson.

Enter the new Boogyman...

edition.cnn.com...

London (CNN) -- With Osama bin Laden dead, Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is now the biggest threat to peace in the world, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Thursday.
"He runs the country and he is infused with fanaticism," Netanyahu told CNN, arguing that Iran's supreme leader was more worrying than its president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, as the Islamic republic pursues a controversial nuclear program.
"If the Iranian regime gets atomic bombs, it will change history," he warned. "The future of the world -- the future of the Middle East -- is certainly at stake."

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The Israeli prime minister said he has not seen the photos of bin Laden dead, but he's not concerned by that.
"I don't think anyone is really questioning that Osama bin Laden has been killed," he asserted.

I won't beleive it until I can see his long form birth certificate. And perhaps had a chance to study both his palms to prove he is not an alien hybrid.

Is it just me or does anyone find it odd that the Navy seals have been outed by the government. Obama to visit FORT CAMPBELL Kentucky to congratulate the seal team. Should we put a big X on that particular military installation now?
All MSM outlets reporting it, here's just one link:
www.upi.com...


I find it odd that seals are stationed on an army base not near the ocean but they really are stationed there.
Wonder if we'll parade them now in front of cameras?

Sorry if this has been mentioned already, I skimmed through where I left off last night and didn't see it.

I've just spent the last two hours listening to the first interview and from my viewpoint that was the most believable whistleblower I've ever heard.

I still think it is wise to proceed with caution on the whole issue of whether his testimony will ever get to be heard and whether he can prove what he is alledging, but I am optimistic that he is the real deal.

I have no agenda or political leanings either way - I'm a Brit, but I, like many of you just want to know the truth.

one more thing I would like to bring up here
in this thread about all these lies and hoax
killings.

Is the personality profile of OBL.

1) According to these reports out this past week.
OBL had been held up in this house for 5 yrs.

This is in complete contradiction to his previous
lifestyle of always staying on the move, living in caves
and hiding out in safe houses temporarily and
using the northern Pakistan tribes to stay
anonymous.

2) OBL needed regular dialysis to survive.

There was no dialysis machines inside the
compound and according to the OS, he never
left his bedroom for 5 yrs. How did he survive
if he never left the compound ???

3) They also state that OBL had computers, DVD's
and thumb drives that were confiscated.

OBL did not use computers and even threw
his cell phone away after 9/11 cuz NSA was
listening in on his traffic.

4) OBL had also stated that he would not be taken
alive meaning he would be armed or either
be wearing suicide vests.

This also was not the case in Pak, OBL was
unarmed and no explosives were found on
the property.

5) Dialysis patients on avg live about 5 yrs.

yet, OBL was still alive 10 yrs after 9/11

Do you see how using profiles can help
debunk the OS of the government.
None of what they are portraying in their
lies corroborate the personality profile
of the real OBL.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


Considering Israel had a hand in both 9/11 and 3/11 (Stuxnet Virus the same one used in Iran and they did a security ugrade one month before Fukushima incident on offline computers, Stuxnet is a CIA and Mossad baby!), I'm not interested in anything the head of IS RA EL, (isis, ra and El) has to say.

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But like Clancy's scholarly analyst Jack Ryan, the Chevy Chase psychiatrist and author has worked as an investment banker and been an adviser to several presidents. He is an expert on national security, international crisis management and hostage negotiation, and is the brains behind "Tom Clancy's `Op Center,' " the best-selling paperback (which neither man actually wrote) and much-hyped NBC miniseries, the second part of which airs tonight. There are plans for several more episodes, depending on the ratings, and more paperbacks.

A classical pianist who speaks five languages -- including Russian -- he wrote a full-length musical at the age of 8, and got his PhD in international relations from MIT during his spare time while studying at Harvard Medical School. [Steve] Pieczenik met Clancy years ago, and the two struck up a friendship. What the psychiatrist offers Clancy is invaluable inside knowledge and a sense of authenticity. What Clancy offers in return is knowledge few eggheads ever acquire: how to create a commercially viable franchise and engineer the inevitable spinoffs without too much heavy lifting.

"Op Center," from which Clancy and Pieczenik will share the profits, was born when the two sat down at their respective computers via America Online and fleshed out the characters and story lines. Their e-mail was turned over to screenwriter and co-executive producer Steve Sohmer for the $12 million miniseries. The book, which has a different plot, was penned by uncredited ghostwriter Jeff Rovin, leaving Pieczenik free to write his own thrillers, including the just-published "Pax Pacifica."

Per this Washington Post article the facts that he is an investment banker and adviser to several presidents should be added to the wiki. Also that he is an expert in said fields. If someone has a washington post account or is willing to spend the 3.95 to get the rest of this article that'd be awesome....

biggest news for 10 years, silly amount of human lives and money used up and they totally bork the annoucment....


oh and they loose a super (expensive no doubt) stealth chopper in the process, 'first time its been used'.

Yeah, USA is looking pretty bad right now.