Anyone else pissed that Harper won?

reply to post by MinorityReporter


You couldn't have described the mindset of the people these days any better. Terrified of change, completely blind to the shackles around their wrists and ankles. It's only a matter of time until we all get "reeled in". And on that day, I will be ready to dig my heels in and stand up to it finally. An unseen enemy is much harder to fight than when the beast finally rears its head, I'm almost shivering with excitement for the final steps of the plan

reply to post by AFlickerInTheDark


It's all up to the individuals now all the parties (except the Con's)dropped the ball in this election. The fact that none of the issues raised in this letter were addressed in the campaign is glaring proof.

Nader's letter to Harper

Dear Prime Minister: The on-going negotiations, under excessive secrecy, regarding "deep integration" between the U.S. and Canada -- countries of vastly unequal bargaining power -- have received too little attention during this election period. The serious issues and consequences of any forthcoming agreement to Canadians deserve immediate public discussion among the candidates prior to the May 2 election.

Voters in a democratic society are rightfully irritated to find that a subject of such gravity excluded from public debate before Election Day. Canadians do not want a fiat accompli shorn of any public knowledge and participation. Such a process reveals a deep concentration of power in the executive that tears away the pretense of the deliberative parliamentary democracy that Canada holds out to the world

Pre-election thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...

A few thoughts. Why get "pissed" at something that is out of your control? Wasted energy imo. There's an upside to this. NOW the Conservatives will be held accountable for legislation. They don't need any help to pass anything. They better do right or they will get their asses handed to them in 2015. Atlantic Canada is fluid. They put their support behind Harper this time. As did Toronto. Do right or perish in 4 years. That might lead to Uncle Jack forming a government. Or Justin, the heir apparent for the liberals.

reply to post by intrepid


These next 4 years are pretty important. I hope we have a country to get back to.
2nd

Wikileaks exposes NAU

reply to post by MinorityReporter


Every year is important. "Getting back to..." intimates that we've left what we are. I hope WE are wrong, as I've said the same. I have NO problem with the Conservative's platform..... to date(Except for the jets. Wrong ones for our use. But jets, hell yeah.). I'm a conservative myself BUT I worry what Little Hitler may try to do in the interim.

I'm suitably pissed as well, especially since I can see where our tax dollars are going to be going for the next few years. Oh yes, to fund those shiny new jets that will be obsolete as soon as they get built. Seems like Harper wants us to have toys to show off at the next airshow. Yay.
And I wonder how long it will be until the country is dotted with all the mega-prisons he wants to build. Gotta keep those "reefer" maniacs off the street you know...

All I can say is "Give him hell, Jack!"

Originally posted by misnomer68
Oh yes, to fund those shiny new jets that will be obsolete as soon as they get built. Seems like Harper wants us to have toys to show off at the next airshow. Yay.

We may actually need new jets. Not the ones proposed. The Arctic is opening up and there are 5 players in this for the oil and natural gas up there. Russia, US, Norway, Denmark and Canada. Do you want to rely on another nation to back our claims(which are pretty strong)? I don't.

Well my party didn't even get a seat even though they had the most sensible platform around (United Party).

Anyway, in hindsight, it might be good that we didn't get another party in. In these days of world unrest, monetary instability, and the fact that we are actually doing better fiscally than other well-known countries these days, sometimes it's the "devil you know" that will allow us to maintain some stability in these times.

And there are always provisions to turf the guy if he gets out of hand. We all know that. So long as we don't become complacent we can keep our PM in line.

(And a pet peeve of mine has always been that people assume that it was the Cons that drove us into debt. It actually wasn't. They took over what was SUPPOSED to have been a surplus when in fact, when everything was added back in that was taken "off the books", they had already inherited a major deficit. Doesn't anyone else remember this?)

I seems to be more about Canadian taxpayers chipping in to help alleviate a problem for the military industrial complex.

Source

"The designs of "deep integration" are reflected in your interest in purchasing F-35 fighter jets (already estimated at $29 billion by a Parliamentary office) that has no Canadian defence rationale but serves to help bail out the Pentagon's procurement mess with Lockheed-Martin's delayed, troubled and way over budget aircraft."

Source

¶2. (SBU) An incremental and pragmatic package of tasks for a new North American Initiative (NAI) will likely gain the most support among Canadian policymakers. Our research leads us to conclude that such a package should tackle both "security" and "prosperity" goals. This fits the recommendations of Canadian economists who have assessed the options for continental integration. While in principle many of them support more ambitious integration goals, like a customs union/single market and/or single currency, most believe the incremental approach is most appropriate at this time, and all agree that it helps pave the way to these goals if and when North Americans choose to pursue them.

It seems we are headed for a joint defense of our arctic anyway.

Do you think it might be staged elections. Much like a lot of people in the United States believe it is in our country. Staged to further the North American Union agenda perhaps?

reply to post by dwmjr1985


Most likely

Originally posted by intrepid
Why get "pissed" at something that is out of your control?

...It wasnt out of our controll though, People knew that harper was a idiot and shouldnt be in office but due to posible staged votes and scare tactics and every other party being hated or not that well known about by EVERYONE in canada. We didnt have to vote him in and i dont believe that he actualy won fairly, only 55% of canada voted? come on...not that many people dont care or are too young...

reply to post by Solsthime331


Canada already has one of the best education systems in the world, very cheap University for domestic students, far better economic equality rate than the United States. Those things could all be eroded away if the north american union was to actually be put forth. Lets all hope this never happens. Immigrating to Canada is an option for me, however, if this was to be put into action i'm not sure I will keep Canada on my list of countries to move to.

reply to post by dwmjr1985


If the NAU is put in place the government will have a lybia on there hands and im 100% sure of that.

reply to post by Solsthime331


Well I would join the resistance, if I can get Canadian citizenship in the end.. lol

only 55% of canada voted? come on...not that many people dont care or are too young...

wow really? i missed that stat.
so 55% of canada voted.. and of that 55%, only 40% chose harper?..

wow

i'm horrible at math, but we have a leader only about 1/4 of the country wanted/voted for?
sweet
what a joke.

*and yes, i'm of the percentage that's pissed.. *actually i think i was pissed at first, now that the shock of how dense voters are has worn off.. depressed or forlorn fit better.
and no, i don't know any serv voters either

As far as I' m concerned the whole election was nothing more than a "SHOW" for Canadian citizens. It was being said long before the election that the Con's would win with a majority... OH lookit that the con's won with a majority. They merely wanted to go from a non-majority to a a majority and an election was a good farce, I mean way to do it. The fact that almost HALF the country DID NOT VOTE should tell them something. *shrugs* nothing we can really do about it now, gotta wait til they call the next election and hopefully more people will go out and vote.

reply to post by TheDude2


Personaly i believe it was staged...i realy dont think 45% of canada dosnt care...mabe those 45% voted against him and they descided to dismiss them so that harper Would win.

The conservatives won a majority because the majority of the population that exercised their democratic right to vote, voted them in. Whoever gives up their right to vote is neither part of a majority or a minority, they simply chose themselves to have no say. The NDP has garnered many seats in Quebec with pocketfuls of promises, that in order for Layton to keep his word, he will have to rob from Peter to pay Paul and we all know that the two Peters have the last names of Ontario and Alberta, Jack's going to have a hard time with his Torontonion fanbase when the time comes and he has to pay his pipers. Perhaps I am the only one, but I am absolutely delighted we have a conservative majority, and my time is spent with my head above the ground not buried in the sand, this way I can see things clearly for what they truly are.

So funny to read through all the posts and find the only ones complaining are from the east..... What when your vote doesn't count its a reason to be pissed, your liberal way of life take a hit. I am proud to have voted for the conservatives. Having lived in B.C through the Liberals and the NDP as a form of provincial governance and watching them screw the pooch quite nicely here in BC, it seemed my general duty to give "ONE" party a chance to govern that doesn't have the haze of Paul Martian and Jean Chretien reeking above it. I personally feel with one party in power we might actually pass bills through the house of commens move forward with building our nation, not just be caught up in the constant struggle for ones power and ego on the floor. Anyone ever tune into CPAC and see what the debates are about...FML no wonder nothing ever gets done. But besides that i feel all you people forget that Canada doesn't start and end in Ontario in runs clean across to the coast. And whilst all of you were happy controling politics in our country as well as sapping up Transfer payments from BC and AB we were staging our own party the one where the east loses it say, and the conservative majority out west can actually start to get s*** done. Yeah theres plenty of downside to Harper but isn't there with all party's there all frauds who lie till there in power and lie till there unelected, then collect fat cat pensions on you and me. Constant cycle of BS but really tell me how the NDP or Liberals would have been much better, like really is there really an option

P.S. Iggy is Bilderberg Tri-latteral as well the NAU is right up his ally as much as Harpers..... And really the NDP so what now every welfare recipient gets a cheque every week and we have a family day a month. cause there looking out for social welfare platform holds no balls with me when I end up paying for all those unwilling too. And since im not part of a union its like paying twice so ya no NDP