Question about Hidden_Hand material

I know he discussed a lot about the reaping, but for some reason I didn't read anywhere what happens for example you go onto the 4th dimension and then your mother stays? He said that they will first have an experience with the infinite creator and then go back to their normal lives as if nothing happened, same jobs same families...but what happens if im gone? will I have never existed in the first place to them? or will something else take over as my body and be exactly how i used to be...but isnt incarnated by my soul?

reply to post by Thyhorrorcosmic

I think your psychologist will have all the answers.
jk, but seriously i have no idea what you are talking about?

reply to post by PoopDawg


He is talking about one of the most famous threads from ATS. A very good read too. I suggest you read it from another website where they compress all of his answers into a transcript instead of reading the posts.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Maybe youd be considered raptured possibly, even though personally i dont believe in the idea of rapture. Maybe the disappearance of a certain group of people without any evidence of death may be left as some proof of God and his intervention. Just my 2 pennys worth.

Originally posted by Thyhorrorcosmic
I know he discussed a lot about the reaping, but for some reason I didn't read anywhere what happens for example you go onto the 4th dimension and then your mother stays? He said that they will first have an experience with the infinite creator and then go back to their normal lives as if nothing happened, same jobs same families...but what happens if im gone? will I have never existed in the first place to them? or will something else take over as my body and be exactly how i used to be...but isnt incarnated by my soul?

I will do my best to explain it the way I understood it.

Right now in 3rd density... you have a higher self that is interacting with you and through you. This self is conscious of all the experience it has had, and *is* you... but the portion of you (your soul) that is here having this 3rd density experience is unaware of it unless you have figured out how to regain contact with your higher self directly consciously.

This is why your higher self is often referred to as a "future version" of yourself from the perspective of 3rd density. It's always you...(and following the chain up... it's always us as One... but for the purposes of simplicity I will continue to speak of ourselves as our individuated selves)... anyways it's always you... you made soul contracts/plans before entering this third density... and it will all be clear in how everything tied together from before your 3rd density... through your third density... and after your third density.

Now to get to your question: If your physical body is still alive at the transition point and you are talking to your mother when the "shared mystical experience" happens... the portion of your soul which is ready to move to 4th density will do so and be conscious of this. The portion of your soul which has chosen to stay behind to help your mother or others... will remain in 3rd density and continue the work. This will be the only reason you would continue to have a viable body, is because you had already made the agreement to leave a portion of yourself behind to continue to help pull others upward.

The portion of your consciousness/soul which made the transition will *now* be the higher self for the portion of yourself that stayed behind.

Infinity and time/space vs space/time and multiple simultaneous perspectives can be hard to wrap our minds around in this density. I hope that this helps a little, but I will be happy to try again... and learn where I may be making judgement errors!

Thanks for the thread.

Namaste!

Addendum: I know I will have semantic issues as that is impossible to avoid with language. For example... when I say that the part that makes the transition will "now" be the higher self... this misses the understanding that it is simply merged back into the higher self that always was/is/will be... and never actually left from the viewpoint of 4th density experience.

Addendum Two: In infinity there is always the exception to the rule. So I also don't discount that some will simpy vanish, and people will be aware of it but not understand it. Some will have "never been". Some will have a "walk in" that continues to operate the body, but is a different "self". Etc. The options of experiences are really only limited by the imagination. I think the version I listed above is the most common and average scenario, but that's simply due to *my* understanding thus far and not something I would couch as fact.

Namaste x2!

reply to post by jessejamesxx

I looked at the link,
seems boring.

reply to post by jessejamesxx


I love your avatar image.

Namaste.

Originally posted by ErgoTheConfusion
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I love your avatar image.

Namaste.

Thank you sir. You should see the uncensored one!

Originally posted by PoopDawg
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I looked at the link,
seems boring.

Well the parts where he isn't talking about ruling the world, being of satan/alien decent, and pretty much every other conspiracy can be pretty boring.

If you are interested on this topic I suggest you also read the Materials of Ra (Law of One) it talks about things that the Insider (Hidden_hand) mentioned.

Link www.lawofone.info... (1st session)

reply to post by IndiGo33


Agreed. I tend to start with HH when people express interest in this topic because it's a bit easier to digest for people still waking up... and then direct to Law of One if HH holds their interest at all.

I'm doing a re-read of LoO again now... each time I go back I make a new connection or understanding that I didn't have before. Life experience and putting the LoO into practice in the ways that resonate for me results in some outstanding growth.

Namaste!

reply to post by ErgoTheConfusion



I agree, I have my self read the materials three times in three languages and the whole concept forever changed my view on life, politics and religion. Even though the information isn't completely "clean" and for some it might seem to be a heresy, It challenges us to look for answers in ways that are contrary to a popular belief.

Namaste

reply to post by Thyhorrorcosmic


The bits and pieces of HiddenHand's material that ring true are also filtered and painted by the indoctrinations and groupthink that he's been born and raised in.

If you think about it, maybe the reason that material was so convincing to you, is the reason why these people sleep at night, because they honestly believe that they have a different contract with god.

cant say that i have read any of the material that you are referencing but i am curious because it sounds like you are referencing materials i read years ago in a book titled "Seth Speaks" by Jane Roberts , have any of you read this book?
The only link i can find to the book is through amazon so i wont bore you with it but i have been able to find this site which i didnt even know about till now

Seth learning center

ummmm...yeaah, sry didnt notice that is for profit site also, in any case im off to read these hidden_hand materials to see for myself...(i really need to find a peace sign emote )

reply to post by RadicalRebel


From what I understand of the Seth works... if you appreciate those then yes... you will get a lot from the Hidden_Hand and Law of One writings.

Best place to read the Hidden_Hand interview. In my opinion at least.

Namaste!

reply to post by ErgoTheConfusion


great, ty for the link
Yes i do appreciate those writings it has been so long since i had that book but i still find myself referencing it and seeing the truth in it in so many ways!

Originally posted by ErgoTheConfusion

Originally posted by Thyhorrorcosmic
I know he discussed a lot about the reaping, but for some reason I didn't read anywhere what happens for example you go onto the 4th dimension and then your mother stays? He said that they will first have an experience with the infinite creator and then go back to their normal lives as if nothing happened, same jobs same families...but what happens if im gone? will I have never existed in the first place to them? or will something else take over as my body and be exactly how i used to be...but isnt incarnated by my soul?

I will do my best to explain it the way I understood it.

Right now in 3rd density... you have a higher self that is interacting with you and through you. This self is conscious of all the experience it has had, and *is* you... but the portion of you (your soul) that is here having this 3rd density experience is unaware of it unless you have figured out how to regain contact with your higher self directly consciously.

This is why your higher self is often referred to as a "future version" of yourself from the perspective of 3rd density. It's always you...(and following the chain up... it's always us as One... but for the purposes of simplicity I will continue to speak of ourselves as our individuated selves)... anyways it's always you... you made soul contracts/plans before entering this third density... and it will all be clear in how everything tied together from before your 3rd density... through your third density... and after your third density.

Now to get to your question: If your physical body is still alive at the transition point and you are talking to your mother when the "shared mystical experience" happens... the portion of your soul which is ready to move to 4th density will do so and be conscious of this. The portion of your soul which has chosen to stay behind to help your mother or others... will remain in 3rd density and continue the work. This will be the only reason you would continue to have a viable body, is because you had already made the agreement to leave a portion of yourself behind to continue to help pull others upward.

The portion of your consciousness/soul which made the transition will *now* be the higher self for the portion of yourself that stayed behind.

Infinity and time/space vs space/time and multiple simultaneous perspectives can be hard to wrap our minds around in this density. I hope that this helps a little, but I will be happy to try again... and learn where I may be making judgement errors!

Thanks for the thread.

Namaste!

Addendum: I know I will have semantic issues as that is impossible to avoid with language. For example... when I say that the part that makes the transition will "now" be the higher self... this misses the understanding that it is simply merged back into the higher self that always was/is/will be... and never actually left from the viewpoint of 4th density experience.

Addendum Two: In infinity there is always the exception to the rule. So I also don't discount that some will simpy vanish, and people will be aware of it but not understand it. Some will have "never been". Some will have a "walk in" that continues to operate the body, but is a different "self". Etc. The options of experiences are really only limited by the imagination. I think the version I listed above is the most common and average scenario, but that's simply due to *my* understanding thus far and not something I would couch as fact.

Namaste x2!

edit on 3-5-2011 by ErgoTheConfusion because: Addendums.

I appreciate the detailed reply! It makes more sense now. So if a small portion of my soul stays behind in this 3D world and the rest of my soul goes onto the 4D which life am i conscious in? It should be the 4D world since most of my soul is there? I've known about the Ra material for awhile now I just haven't gotten to it yet but I plan on it soon!

Originally posted by Thyhorrorcosmic
I appreciate the detailed reply! It makes more sense now. So if a small portion of my soul stays behind in this 3D world and the rest of my soul goes onto the 4D which life am i conscious in? It should be the 4D world since most of my soul is there? I've known about the Ra material for awhile now I just haven't gotten to it yet but I plan on it soon!

Please keep in mind I'm in the same boat you are and haven't actually experienced this... so I'm just doing the best I can with what I've put together through the years and thought deeply on.

Your consciousness will be in both... just as it is now. This is what is tricky about what we are aware of now in a linear time... and veil of forgetfulness perspective. There is as best I understand, a portion of your consciousness fully aware in 4d *now*. So once *this* 3D consciousness is ready to move up, it will be in the 4D consciousness but if part of your plan/objective/work is to maintain a thread in 3D... then you will continue to have a 3D consciousness that is active as well.

Since there isn't just one reality... think of it as if for simplicity sake you have 1000 3D consciousnesses. Each one will join 4D at a different point in their time lines. The ones in 4D are now able to observe all 1000 timelines at once in whatever manner they do. So at some point if you were to line them all up side by side, 500 will have moved forward, and 500 will still be doing work. All of those experiences will form the sum total of your 4D consciousness.

This is really tricky to imagine because in a way you have to imagine it as if your 3D experience is a tree... and it is going to bear fruit... and each piece of fruit is "you". You as the gardener see the fruit as a living whole, but each fruit has it's own life and experience totally different, yet similar, from all the other fruits.

Another way to look at it is that it's entirely possible your higher self is actually split into multiple people in this space/time right now... and once they join back with 4D will be able to see how they were "the same" but when in the illusion of 3D and under the veil, perceived themselves as different. Kinda like left hand/right hand as well as individual fingers, yet your awareness still considers it all "one whole".

Hope that helps.

Namaste!

What happens is that we are transferred into a diametrically opposed reality, and in the transition point, there is a time where you can edit yourself out of existence. Eventually, there will be two alternate realities, one will be where the "evil" is removed, and will be a much more positive reality, not strictly 4D, but far more dynamic than our current 3D experience. The other is an opportunity to rise to a higher dimensional plane, however for most people who transition to 4D, it will be a generally fearful and hallucinatoy experience as the deeper parts of thier subconsciousness will be unearthed. If you can deal with 4D, then you can ascend to a more positive existence in 4D, whereas the remainder of people will be in a more dark and fearful 4D reality. In terms of 5D, that is generally for the beings called "walk-ins" and other higher dimensional beings that are trapped within human bodies, thier escape will be a simple case of rising out of thier bodies, and thier "hosts" coming to the realisation that they had been harbouring another consciousness for most of thier mortal existences.

reply to post by ErgoTheConfusion


In order to get the most out of the Hidden_Hand message it is necessary to have at least a rudimentary understanding of what today’s mainstream scientists are seeking as a Unified Field Theory. The Infinite Creator is The Unified Field, and in order to define the Unified Field it is necessary to define the Infinite Creator. In order to define the Infinite Creator it is necessary to define, or more accurately re-define, yourself.
In order to re-define yourself it is necessary to open the mind or intellect to the possibility that you do not possess all the information or data that is available to you in the well of information we call universe.
In other words, as stated in the Ra material, you must come to the conscious realization that you, personally, do not really know. Everything you think you know is opinion, or belief. This realization is what is called the Wisdom of Ignorance, and until you realize it, you operate in the ignorance of wisdom. We choose to ignore real wisdom because we believe we already know, because of self righteousness or our own intellectual pride.
Our beliefs are not ultimate Truth; they are simply our truth as we believe it to be now. If you are not aware that another truth exists it may as well not exist as far as you are concerned.

I am new to this site and was drawn here after I came upon the Hidden_Hand message. I have learned to embrace Infinity and as a result my mind has opened up to a more fluid or what I call simultaneous operation as opposed to my old linear way of thinking, and I have learned to download information from Intelligent Infinity. I would like to share this information with people who could benefit from it. If you are interested please let me know. Namaste = God in me recognizes, honors, and cherishes God in you.

Beliefs are basically the scaffolding by which our present paradigm, worldview, or consensus reality has been built, propped up, and maintained. Though we don’t realize it, we are currently trapped between two opposing paradigms by the old scaffolding (false beliefs) because we refuse to see that the old scaffolding must be dismantled before our awareness can expand to the boundaries of the scaffolding of the new and less limiting paradigm.
Our refusal to truly examine ourselves, our beliefs, and our worldview is a direct result of manipulation by what you call the “controllers”. The way these controllers manipulate and control us is through our own false beliefs which they have taught us. They teach us to believe things that are not true, and then use these false beliefs to separate and divide us, and keep us fighting amongst ourselves to divert our attention away from the fact that we are being manipulated and controlled.
What we today call the Age of Enlightenment or the Renaissance was the beginning of a critical mass of consciousness awareness which threatened a global paradigm shift that would allow humanity to come to the realization of unlimited potential.
Brilliant free thinkers like Copernicus, Newton, Galileo, DaVinci, and a host of others, who refused to be limited by the false beliefs of the old paradigm, and refused to be subjugated by powers and authorities (controllers) of their time, began the dismantling of the old scaffolding, and the construction of a new and less limiting scaffolding through the process of seeking truth which came to be called science.
The controllers could not allow this to happen because it would totally remove their power and authority and place it squarely in the hands of the individual human. The controllers know that; “United we stand and divided we fall”, and so they did what they have always done which is use our beliefs to manipulate and control us and eventually divide us.
So along comes Darwin with a theory called The Origin of the Species which basically said there is no Creator. Life is an accidental crap shoot that evolved from a kind of primordial protozoan soup.
To the religionists who had been taught to teach the beliefs of the old paradigm this amounted to an open declaration of war. To the controllers this was the perfect wedge to drive between the old closed minded “believers” and the new open minded free thinkers and put the brakes on the shift to a new paradigm.
Even before Darwin the controllers manipulated the believers into branding the free thinkers as devil or demon possessed heretics, and most of the early scientists were muzzled by threats of ex-communication from the church, imprisonment, torture, and even death. Galileo spent the greater part of his scientific career under house arrest by the Vatican and was even ex-communicated.
The controllers basically instituted a campaign of terror against science which caused the free thinkers to go underground, which silenced them for a while at least, until Darwin came along and opened a floodgate of pent up emotions throughout the scientific community which caused the escalation of a battle between religionists and scientists into out and out war between science and religion. Today we call this war Creation vs. Evolution.
Neither science nor religion realizes that they have been cleverly and subtly manipulated into dogmatic beliefs that serve only the agendas of the controllers. By using religion to force scientists to see themselves as victims and defend themselves and their theories, the controllers, over time, changed the point of view or perspective of science from the champions of free thought and seekers of truth, to the defenders of scientific beliefs, or dogma.
As a result, science has become just another religion. Scientists, whether they are willing to admit it or not, have allowed the controllers to manipulate them into the false belief that there is no Creator, and in order to defend this unproven opinion they have created another false belief that says anything real must be physically or mathematically provable.
Yet what about thought? Can you physically or mathematically prove thought to be real? Can you physically or mathematically prove emotions to be real? How many of sciences theories have actually been physically or mathematically proven?
Basically, none of them have been proven. They are, we must admit, dogma. They are arrogant opinions arrived at, basically, through the meta-physical process we call thought, and will remain that way until someone comes along who can disprove them, and the controllers will do everything in their power to keep that from happening.