Mass Arrests, Tear Gas, Sound Weapons used Against West Illinois University Students

Originally posted by Skerrako
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

How is an issue in a community in the State of Illinois anywhere near the authority of the President of the United States?

Last time I checked Illinois was in the United States

It is, and has its own Govenor, Legislature and Judicial system. The President of the United States has no legal authority to do iunaything in the State of Illinois.

Its a local matter... The city is responsible for is own affairs within its city limits. In this case, the city requested assistance from the Sheriffs department and several other police agencies.

President Obama = Federal level

not state level.

Originally posted by AuranVector
reply to post by coldkidc

 

Kent State Shootings -- May 4, 1970 -- 41 years ago.

Already posted by someone else, and has nothing to do with this op or what ocured. Thank you though for again trying to draw a poaralell to something that is not relevant to the article.

Kudos for paranoia and fear mongering.

reply to post by coldkidc


You folks were warned by David Icke more than 13 years ago about this coming fascist police state coming.............and the majority of you laughed and ridiculed him.

Well welcome to 1984.

And it's only going to get worse unless enough people unite, rebel and are willing to put their life on the line to take back our country.

Yes we are talking a second American Revolution.

How much more frap are you sheep going to mindlessly take?

Scanners that show you and your toddler nude
Cameras on every street corner
Papers, papers and more papers to move from one section to another
Fences (which can work both ways to keep people out but to keep people in) and this and the one above are both in place to gradually restrict movement.........think about that.
Soon we will have our guns confiscated
You must now get a permit in order to be granted to both demonstrate or have a large number of people gathered in one spot
Cameras in all major public buildings (many are hidden)
Scanners I guarantee you will soon be at all bus stops, train depots
Face recognition surveillance
Your every move can be monitored by your card key at work............which department you move into and out of is now logged in
Microchips can now be loaded in "flu shots"........my dogs microchip was the size of a grain of rice I examined over 15 years ago, how small are they now?
Drone technology
fluoride in our water
What type of waves are emanating from our plasma screen TVs?
Technology we're not even aware of but is out there


People wake up and shake off whatever TPTB are microwaving into your brains.................the future of mind control is here it is now.

There are still more of us than them.

Violence is not the answer because that is what they want...........that in and of itself will give "them" the excuse to enact Marshall Law"

Passive resistence is the key...........refuse to go to work, start growing your own crops, do the opposite of what the signs in "They Live" said.

They do live, they are hear and humanity is not at the top of the pyramid.

Blast away............I'm tired of trying to wake people up, warn them and have them glassy eyed and asleep ready to board the truck bound for the slaughter house of our species.

How much more of this tyranny are the rest of you ready to take?

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by notsofunnyguy
Wow.

So, here's a question...for Obama, since this happened in his "home" state.

How is it that Arabs rebelling against their dictators is encouraged by this administration, but college students having a party get attacked by riot police?

This is insane!

TPTB have this "If you see something, say something" program.

We need one of our own. "If you see a uniform, smash a uniform".

Care to explain how a local matter for a community in the State of Illinois is anywhnere near the authority of the PResident of the United States to be involved?

that's how it works.....

Chicago runs a lot of things outside of its' immidiate circles.

especially with Obama.....AND

Rahm (ramrod) Emmanual is Mayor of Chicago now don't forget.

reply to post by Xcathdra


??? - I provided that exact link in the original post ??? Did you forget to link something else?

Originally posted by Skerrako
Last time I checked Illinois was in the United States

and has its own elected Govenor, state legislature, judicial system etc.. President Obama is FEderal, not state. Please learn the difference

Originally posted by Skerrako
When schools refused to integrate the federal government stepped in.

Because the schools refused to comply with a Supreme Court Ruling, and called out the Police to prevent that ruling from bineg enforced. The states that did that were technically in a state of insurrection against the US Government, by refusing to acknowlege the US Constitution and the Supreme Court being the highest court in the land.

And the Feds only got involved after the locals made it clear they would not be complying with the issue. Us Marshalls and FEderalized military units enforced that court ruling.

Again, a HUGE difference.

Originally posted by Skerrako
If a state is abusing it's citizen, the Federal government will step in.

Uhm, lol ok.

Originally posted by Skerrako
Constitutionally, that is the reason it is there. Sadly it seems to do everything but what it's intended purpose was

edit on 2-5-2011 by Skerrako because: (no reason given)

There is no constitutional violations present in the videos. You have students who got drunk and caused damage, which caused the police to respond. Not every student who was present and drunk broke the law, however, when you have that many stiudents, all drinking and partying, you take precautions.

If you dont know the difference on how it can go down hill fast, then I suggest you find youtube video of the riots in East Lansing Michigan from Michigan State.

reply to post by Xcathdra


Wasn't trying to draw a parallel - just responding to the post you were referring to.
It was 30 years ago & obviously was much more serious than what occurred here.

You're just trying to make me look bad...not going to work - I presented this post as objectively as I could & I believe the general response supports my position.

You have provided no new information.

reply to post by Xcathdra
Once again, I attended WIU and lived on the block in question at 318 Wheeler St. It's simply a year end party with lot's of drinking. Yeah, there might even have been the smell of marijuana in the air, but nothing more nefarious was going on.Sure there may have been an idiot or 2 that took on the "riot police", but normally the police don't do anything except maybe make a few arrests of underage drinkers on the block. Usually when the police show up, most minors drop their beers and leave so they don't get arrested.

My question is what is the video not showing? While I respect independant media, sometimes they dont always give the complete side of the story, slanting the story again government action, where as people accuse the MSM of pushing the governments position.

As compared to mainstream media which never slants a story.

There is more to the story that is not being told here.

Yeah, a typical response from a goose stepping jackboot who has been conditioned and brainwashed to take away people's rights. Yeah...when the cops are in the wrong there is always something the video is not showing. What a crock of bullfrog and a real CopOut if I've ever heard one!

reply to post by Xcathdra


Because he's advocating for civil rights for people half way around the world while at the same time our government is stomping our rights (and our bodies) into the ground.

How do you not get that?

reply to post by xuenchen


Are you going to just make stuff up in this thread like you did in the Hamas thread? Its not how it works in the US at all. Obama has nothing to do with what occurs inside the State boundaries of Illinois, and the State Government has nothing to do with what occurs within the boundaries of the city that was affected here.

Its starts at the bottom, and request for assitance works up.

In this case the city requested assistance from the county and several surrounding cities.

reply to post by Xcathdra

Its been explained time and again, with supreme court rulings, how use of force works, what the officer percevied at the exact moment the use of force occured.

What 'the' officer percieved?

Dude this wasn't 'a' officer in a life or death judgement call, this was hundreds of officers who showed up in Riot Gear with tear Gas and Sound Cannons determined to use them on kids having a party.

They made no civil or reasoned attempt to ask the crowd to disperse they lined up like a bunch of storm troopers, dressed like a bunch of storm troopers, and marched on a bunch of kids on lock step with the premedidated desire to inflict bodily harm.

This was a bunch of goons playing dress up, beating up a bunch of kids.

Originally posted by notsofunnyguy
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

Because he's advocating for civil rights for people half way around the world while at the same time our government is stomping our rights (and our bodies) into the ground.

How do you not get that?

As the Leader of the United States, he can do that. As tHE leader of the US, if he wants to comment on whats going on at WIU, he can do that, but why would he.

secondly, the comarison you are trying to draw, drunk colege students getting out of hand as opposed to people trying to overthrow a presresive government are completely different.

How can you not see that?

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Again you dazzle us with you lack of knowledge in this area.

I can explain how it works... again,.. if you want.. My guess is though you wont accept the answer, and you have no desire to learn the law or supreme court rulings in this area...

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Skerrako
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

How is an issue in a community in the State of Illinois anywhere near the authority of the President of the United States?

Last time I checked Illinois was in the United States

It is, and has its own Govenor, Legislature and Judicial system. The President of the United States has no legal authority to do iunaything in the State of Illinois.

Its a local matter... The city is responsible for is own affairs within its city limits. In this case, the city requested assistance from the Sheriffs department and several other police agencies.

President Obama = Federal level

not state level.

all levels in Illinois ARE at Chicago level !

and now at Federal level since Jan 20 2009.

and since when does Obama recognize "legal authority" ????

a $ sign turned up side down always looks the same $ ..... especially in Chicago !

reply to post by ofhumandescent


So.... its ok for students to get liqueed up, head out in the streets and cause damage to other peoples property?

reply to post by Xcathdra


powerofnarrative.blogspot.com...

The law is not some Platonic Form plucked from the skies by the Pure in Heart. Laws are written by men, men who have particular interests, particular constituencies, particular donors, and particular friends. (The same is now true of women as well, of course. But for most of our history, it was men and only men. Straight, white men, to be precise; see here and here.) Laws are the particular means by which the state implements and executes its vast powers. When an increasingly authoritarian state passes a certain critical point in its development, the law is no longer the protector of individual rights and individual liberty. The law becomes the weapon of the state itself -- to protect, not you, but the state from threats to its own powers. We passed that critical point some decades ago. The law is the means by which the state corrals its subjects, keeps them under control, and forbids them from acting in ways that the overlords might perceive as threatening. In brief, today, in these glorious United States, the law is not your friend.

nuff said

reply to post by xuenchen


Stick to Hamas.. your much better and getting people to buy your crap in that thread than here. When you get a grasp on the difference between local, county, state and federal levels, then come back ok.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Skerrako
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

How is an issue in a community in the State of Illinois anywhere near the authority of the President of the United States?

Last time I checked Illinois was in the United States

It is, and has its own Govenor, Legislature and Judicial system. The President of the United States has no legal authority to do iunaything in the State of Illinois.

Its a local matter... The city is responsible for is own affairs within its city limits. In this case, the city requested assistance from the Sheriffs department and several other police agencies.

President Obama = Federal level

not state level.

He was just making a point, and a very good one at that. Someone posted a video in here that was shot by one of the college kids and he was interviewed by an alternative internet news station. In any case, if President Obama were to watch this footage while in the presence of the Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc, I'm sure he would be disgusted.

reply to post by Xcathdra


No - he's right.
This wasn't a lone cop having to make a split second decision on whether or not the guy was reaching in his waistband for a gun or his wallet.

This was a premeditated use of excessive force.
Why would you get all the troops there & get geared up for the party prior to it without the intention to join in the fun?