New alien footage. Real or fake? Experts, have yourself a look & discuss

Wow. It could be fake, but damn it looks real.

could be real could be fake...who really knows ?? if you have never seen an alien how would you know how they are supposed to look ??

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Hmm, then why aren't the making games that actually have quality graphics and the ability to make real life objects appear real without those little uncanny freakish effects all games have when it comes to living things?

Every game I've ever played the people, aliens, creatures have always left something to be desired(and laughed at) in the cases where they try to make things true to life and living things look real.
There's never any mistaking it for being fake.

Nothing I've ever seen in a game (all the top games you can name) have ever came close to looking like that alien and I love me so scifi FPS.

So I do not see how the connection to video game designers come into play here?

This is more in the realm of Hollywood/Movie industry.

Like some one else said if you'd be so inclined to break it down, show examples?

I'm not saying this is real I simply don't know but as I am no "expert" or no someone is an "expert" So I can't really assume one way or another but my gut tells me it's most likely fake but it'd be nice to having something to support that on.

if it is fake then that is extremely high level stuff...not something some chump with no ability or knowledge could do

This is a classic 50's era UFO.
Don't these hoaxers know that current UFO's are LED's?
Look folks there are tons of templates out there for editing classic reel video.The edited reel sound is just one red flag.
Well done and entertaining though.

I like that little smirk on that alien's face

please be real, its about time someone has to release true evidence

I like the fact that there are 2 videos of this (as for now), the alien, and the crash.

from what i read there are a total of 7 ( seven ) videos of this tape. and the total time of the whole recording is 1 hour and 80 minutes, so theres more.

Im really looking forward to see whats coming next

These are interesting videos but certain hoaxing techniques always send up a red flag with me now:

!. Predominent use of shadow and darkness, . This helps cover as much of the footage as possible, making the hoaxer s job (which is really to fool people) much easier, and also making analysis more difficult and adding an element of "mystery" as well.

2. Blurring. see above.

3. Rapid editing. This also cuts down on the amount of attention that can be focused on any part of the footage, as many people dont have the time or inclination to look at something frame by frame (which is one reason why ATS is good at killing hoaxes as folks here definately have both time and inclination).

4. Scratches and obvious signs of damage. These are always good "lore" wise, as they are supposed to be old , recovered under difficult circamstances etc., but it functions also as an excuse to distract and obscure details. In this particular cases the film damage is overdone, and very artistic as well - the creator s bias and love of the dust and scratchmarks come s throught loud and clear as a choice. I ve seen a lot of actual film with damage - this aint it.

These diversive media tactics arent always used but they are more likely to be used the more difficult the footage attempted is.

The actual modelling of the alien body very much reminds me of contemporary animation styles. Movements are usually stilted (except for the very, very best animation, which is still rare) and too slow. I know aliens will move differently but will they use the same animation style as Toystory?

The reel sound is excessive and does not sound like a movie projector at all - the implication seems to be that this was taped from and actual movie projected film on a screen - which definately is the killer for the idea that this is real (no pun intended) for me. Why not produce all 120 min. on multiple youtubes?

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3d.sk are a photo reference site for artists (3d or traditional).

You're looking at pic number 0135 of Ivan the male model. The rest are here: www.clickheat.3d.sk...

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The reason you don't see quality like that in games (although honestly we're only a couple years off from that) is that generally games operate under a different set of conditions and requirements when it comes to generating and animating art content. To begin with, all art/animation must conform to the maximum levels of performance, and to do this they utilize a number of tricks and 'hacks' if you will to 'emulate' visual factors apparent in much higher fidelity mediums.

For example, a pistol in your favorite FPS game may have lots of nobs, ridges, bevels etc. all over the gun. Odds are, the gun itself is a very low polygon model with several 'skins' wrapped over it that contain light vector data (as well as color, texture, etc), so when light rays hit the gun it displays the illusion of depth amongst the 'ridges, nobs, bevels' without actually having to utilize the 3d model itself to make those calculations (which if it did would increasing the amount of polygons on the weapon, which reduces the total performance of the game itself).

Therefore, since current technology, ie. consoles and home computers, don't have the power to render extremely high polygon models (like the alien video linked in the OP) in run-time (which basically means the machine has to do all the thousands of mathematical calculations as you're playing the game without slowing down the framerate, which coincidentally relies on the same hardware calculations to render the images to the screen). If the machine has to spend 3 hours rendering out a model with 2 billion polygons (not an unusual amount after several 'smoothing' passes), then concurrently your framerate while playing that FPS will be something like 0.0166667

Of course, if you're aren't constrained by time, you can model out the whole scene in absurd detail (as is the case with the OP vid) and let your home computer render the scene/video over 2 weeks. Then you plop the video in some kind of editing software, add some retardely simple filters to make it look 'old timey' and add some retardely absurd 'old timey camera real clicking' sound effects, and viola, insta proof of Aliens. Of course, if you see this kind of stuff all day every day (as I do), disbelief becomes a much more rigorous reaction to impose upon an individual.

Originally posted by Swills

Originally posted by Alda1981
only thing "alienating"me from believing it is the sound of the reel... whats the point of it?

Yeah that does bother me too. I've never converted an old reel film to digital before, so if I did, wouldnt that sound not be on the digital copy?

One way of "converting" the film reel into a digital format can be achieved by simply projecting the film onto a wall and then filming it with a digital camera. Although I guess if you tried that process, you would have to film it from at least a slight angle so there would be no shadow from the camera and the video posted seems to be projected straight on with no converging lines. With that I'm leaning more to this being a fake, as like you said, I don't think the sound of the reel would be heard if this was professionally converted.

First rule of thumb: No source, no good.

No photo or video clip is worth anything unless there is somebody out there with a real name who is willing to come forward and say, "Yes, this is real, and here is how I got it." And even then, unless they have something else to back it up with, it's not worth anything except entertainment value.

Simple.

I'll call this real once I've seen the full 3 hour film.

Won't hold my breath though.

looks real to me.
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Originally posted by Swills
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Trust me, I'm not telling anyone to do anything. It's just a title, not a command

I did a search but maybe I should have kept looking. Sorry, you can lock this thread if you like

edit on 2-5-2011 by Swills because: (no reason given)

Worry Not Swills - you did the right thing by posting and we appreciate it - real or fake - the posting invited discourse. GreenestEyed has a tendency to "slam doors shut" - so hang in there and know that MANY, if not most of us genuinely acknowledge your contribution. We are grateful even for the discourse on CGI techniques and motives if nothing else - it helps us become better observers, better researchers, gets us closer to the truth.

"Belief" is in the eye of the beholder, of course, but I'm happy just to read and learn what others think of this topic. SO WHAT if it's CGI? Great! Tell us how or why you think it is so we know what to look for the next time we come across a video like this.

Look at the ISAAC/CARET Drone Thread for example. The OP merely threw it up there, just like you did, and said, "I don't know what this is. What do you guys think?" The ATS exchange went on for years and over FOUR HUNDRED PAGES with thousands of posts (~8,000+ ATS posts I believe and still counting!). Though the ultimate consensus was "hoax" - I still learned an awful lot from the discussion and so did many, many others here at ATS.

Denying Ignorance is one thing. Denying access so we can't decide for ourselves is something else entirely.

Keep posting, Swills - and keep looking up...

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coulf be someone in mask, so its hard to, but its definatly not cgi

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To Good to be true...?

Originally posted by evolve
reply to post by free_spirit

 

3d.sk are a photo reference site for artists (3d or traditional).

You're looking at pic number 0135 of Ivan the male model. The rest are here: www.clickheat.3d.sk...

Of course. That's why I mentioned the name Ivana Gemzicka aka Ing. Ivana Gemzicka.
Now follow the lead for example,.
www.domio.info...

This is cgi, They did a good job but the edges still seem a bit rough and pixelated.

Originally posted by Suspiria
Facial features are TOO human.

When was the last time you saw an alien?