Texas bill would make invasive pat-downs a felony

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You are not making sense. If an airport is a private business and a nightclub is a private business. How come one private business has federal employees running security and the other has private business employees running security.

Originally posted by groingrinder
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You are not making sense. If an airport is a private business and a nightclub is a private business. How come one private business has federal employees running security and the other has private business employees running security.

From my understanding, which may be be flawed, the DHS and the FAA strongly encourage the use of TSA to protect the "ports". In the case of a private port, this is ultimately "optional', but the DHS has made it a subtle threat that they will advertise that any airport without TSA screening is a "security risk" and essentially use their scare tactics to drive airlines away from the airport.

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
Is the right to fly a Constitutionally protected activity?

No. But the right for citizens to be secure in their persons against unreasonable search and seizure IS.

Originally posted by mydarkpassenger

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
Is the right to fly a Constitutionally protected activity?

No. But the right for citizens to be secure in their persons against unreasonable search and seizure IS.

My point is that airports arent public property. Of course, since they are highly subsidized in a public private partnership of sorts, one could argue I'm wrong.

Regardless, I notice a lot of people think their constitutional rights are guaranteed on private property, which they arent necessarily. You can willingly enter into a contract that surrenders certain rights you might expect on Public property.

Originally posted by groingrinder
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You are not making sense. If an airport is a private business and a nightclub is a private business. How come one private business has federal employees running security and the other has private business employees running security.

Agreed. It's a gray area. But the government does not outright own the airline industries or airports do they?

I have a question. If a person agrees to the pat down then doesn't that negate any lawsuits? How do they even prove it was intentional anyways? I just find it hard to believe someone would grope a person in plain view of an entire airport.

We live in a world where anyone can do anything at any given time. What makes people think women don't hide drugs on their person or parents don't use kids as drug mules? This stuff happens every day. I'm not trying to derail the thread but I don't think anyone would care if Muslim women and children were being groped at airports. I'm willing to bet no one would care.

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I would care.

Originally posted by groingrinder
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You are not making sense. If an airport is a private business and a nightclub is a private business. How come one private business has federal employees running security and the other has private business employees running security.

the government controls who flys in and out of the country. So if this private airport accepts international flights then the government can control who is on those planes and what type of security measures can be applied.

Originally posted by rogerstigers
Technically DFW and other airports are the property of the State of Texas or are private groups operating under state oversight. The DHS can "try" tro impose themselves, but ultimately, they have no authority to force the issue, as far as I have read.

Interesting! If that is the case, then I wonder why the legislation is necessary? Why not just boot out the TSA and run their own security? If the state/private groups own the airports, then it is within their right to say who operates security and how security checks are done, no?

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Originally posted by martianmallow
You know how I avoid being groped by the TSA? I take the bus, or the Amtrak!

And if everyone in America would follow suit they could avoid it as well.

Try doing that cross country....

Dolt

^ This.

And some people depend on flying cross country or internationally for jobs, and to provide food on the table.
So it's kind of say "I refuse to fly" when your very pockets are at stake.


But I believe ordinary people with the means to do so, should stop flying.. post pone vacations, and etc.

But we know that will never happen, more people will still be flying then not.

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Yea, for some people, flying is a requirement for their jobs, for example, having to be in New York on a Monday and then LA on Tuesday night.
The only reason that the TSA issue isnt getting more exposure is because the only people that anyone listen to anymore, (celebrities etc...) either have private jets or are able to charter private jets.
If one of those brain-dead reality stars tweeted that they were late to filming because of something like this, their fans would be up in arms, demanding something be done.

I'm not exactly impressed by TSA procedures, but to pretend flying is a 'right' just smacks of entitlement.

Your job and livelihood depends on flying? Then be grateful we have a system that allows you to do so, or come up with a better alternative with your good ol American ingenuity.

But no one 'needs' to fly. You NEED to eat, drink water, sleep and breathe (all four of which are quite difficult to do in Coach these days). Flying is a luxury.

Sorry but flying IS absolutely necessary for the Country and World economy to remain stable.
Why do you think Reagan did what he did when the Air Traffic Controllers struck in the 80s?

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I didn't say it wasn't necessary for the continuation of our completely bogus economy.

I said it isn't a "Right"

LOTS of things are 'necessary' for the continuation of our economy, like wars over resources and land. but it doesnt make them a "Right".

Originally posted by Aggie Man
Texas can pass the law; however, and unfortunately, most airports fall under federal jurisdiction. So, federal law would trump the state law.

Even though he's an Aggie, he's right .

The Federal government will override any bill that attempts to supercede them. Good idea, though.

/TOA

Doesn't matter if this passes or not, since 'probable cause' is basically just a legal term for justification of invasive search and seizure AFTER the fact. There's been many a police officer that feel they do whatever they want to whoever they want since they can claim probable cause afterwards.

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Not even close.

Most public use airports are private property, or owned by the city/county/state.




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Who says that it is not a right?


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Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
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Not even close.

Most public use airports are private property, or owned by the city/county/state.

 

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The federal government has jurisdiction. Regardless of who owns the airport. Now, if the flights want to take off and land in TX, then fine...they could boot the TSA. However, if interstate travel is to be conducted then the federal government has the authority. You can tell me I'm wrong all you want, but I am correct. Like it or not.