Iran's president and supreme leader in rift over minister's reinstatement

Iran's president and supreme leader in rift over minister's reinstatement

MPs call for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to be impeached after his refusal to back Khamenei's judgment.

A rift is emerging between Iran's president and its supreme leader, prompting several members of the parliament to call for the impeachment of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has not been seen in public for days.

Ahmadinejad has refused to appear at the presidential palace since Friday in what is being seen as a reaction to Ayatollah Khamenei's reinstating of a minister he initially "asked to resign".

Under pressure from Ahmadinejad the intelligence minister, Heydar Moslehi, a close ally of the supreme leader, stepped down on 17 April but was reinstated when Khamenei asked him in a letter to stay.

The president has not publicly shown his support for that decision and on Wednesday he refused for the second time to chair a cabinet meeting in which Moslehi was present. Ahmadinejad also reportedly cancelled an official visit to the holy city of Qom prompting reactions among conservatives that "the president was sulking".

Under Iran's constitution, the president is in charge of appointing cabinet ministers who will hold the ministerial office after the approval of the parliament but an unwritten law requires all officials to abide by the supreme leader.

Iran's opposition has speculated that Khamenei is worried about the increasing power of Ahmadinejad and especially his chief-of-staff Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei.

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Wow... trouble in paradise. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not supporting the Ayatollah, and apparently is trying to run his own power play by placing his allies into key government positions. He already torqued the Ayatollah off when he named his own special envoys to 6 countries. That move was met with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad being told to recall them and remove them from those positions.

The legislature is calling for him to be impeached, which speaks volumes as well.

The other curious thing is he cant seem to be found. This was pointed out over the Easter weekend, when Secratary of State Clinton disappeared as well.

Rumors abound....

I think this is the end of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

The govt structure over in Iran is all a smoke screen illusion anyways. The Ayatollah is the Supreme Leader, the others are fronts, an open charade. Their Cabinets, Ministers, Parliaments can pretend to represent the people all day but anything they rule on can be reversed with one paragraph written by the Supreme Leader, the Ayatollah behind the curtain.
Ahm-a-dina-jacket must have forgot to take his schitzo meds and started thinking he was a real President, hahahaha.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Wow... trouble in paradise....
I think this is the end of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

I'm shocked

Ahmadinejad has always been a good little Supreme Leader lapdog.
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Those two have been inseparable. Here they are on vacation together. I mean testing out Iran's new flying saucer tech..
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Doh - you beat me to it! I just had this all lined up to post.

A few other strikes against him. Apparently he is the fall guy for the loss of billions in oil revenues the past few years.

It also mentions that one of his key allies Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei isn't a favorite of the supreme leader. His daughter is married to Ahmadinejad's son. He was VP but the Khamenei fired him and Ahmadinejad hired him again as his chief of staff. Apparently Ahmadinejad wants Mashaei to be his successor but Khamenei views him as too liberal.

There is definitely a power struggle going on and it appears Ahmadinejad is on the losing end of it.

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There was a detailed article about a year ago talking about what Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been up to. He has made some decisions that has royall ticked off the Ayatollah. He has been consolidating his power base, and has been attempting (according to analysts) to elevate the position of President to the same level if not higher than Ayatollah.

He has also been meddeling around in the Revolutionary Guard command (since he came from that branch) and has done some shuffles there as well, attempting to shift their loyalty to the President from the Ayatollah. Ill dig around and see if I can find the articles talking about it.

I would like to know where he is at.. Its unusual for a head of state to disappear in the manner he has.

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Well apparently he lives the life of a pauper....

Did you know Ahmadinejad rejects his presidential salary and sleeps on a rug?

Originally posted by SLAYER69
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Well apparently he lives the life of a pauper....

Did you know Ahmadinejad rejects his presidential salary and sleeps on a rug?

Certainly might explain why he is so cranky all the time, and why he gives his fiery speeches denouncing the great satan.

Who would of known its from lack of sleep.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Certainly might explain why he is so cranky all the time, and why he gives his fiery speeches denouncing the great satan.

Who would of known its from lack of sleep.

I always attributed that to "little man syndrome" aka the Napoleon complex . He always seems to have quite a case of it.

I am curious if this might have anything to do with whats going on in Syria. We know the tension between Ahcminijidad and the Ayatollah have been building for a while.

I wonder if they are gonna use Ahcminijidad to quell their own internal issues, in addition to insulating themsleves if Syria is attacked by the West.

Get rid of the President = smooth some of the ruffled feathers of the populice.
Because he is gone, Iran could reevaluate their relationship with Syria.

This is starting to look more and more like self preservation on the part of the Iranian Government.

and the plot thickens... Missing 2 cabinet meetings... anno0uncement he is going to address the nation, yet they arent sure its authorized or not... There are now 50 legislatures demanding he appear before them..

getting intresting.

'Absent' Ahmadinejad to address nation next week: media

TEHRAN, Apr 28, 2011 (AFP) - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has not appeared in public for more than a week, is to make a televised address to the nation within days, local media reported Thursday, citing an official.


"Ahmadinejad will speak to the nation next week, and his comments are going to please the friends of the revolution and despair the enemies of the regime," several newspapers reported the vice-president in charge of parliamentary affairs, Mohammad Reza Mir-Tajedini, as saying.

Mir-Tajedini's comments however have not been confirmed by Iran's state media, which have so far not commented on Ahmadinejad's absence from public events.

The president has not been seen in public since April 22, when supreme leader Ali Khamenei overturned the resignation of Intelligence Minister Heydar Moslehi, which was imposed by Ahmadinejad.

The rebuke and reinstatement of Moslehi has given rise to media reports of sharp differences between Ahmadinejad and his opponents, notably the ultra-conservatives who dominate parliament and thrive on Khamenei's backing.

Several papers reported on Thursday that Ahmadinejad, who has already boycotted two ministerial council meetings, had cancelled a planned trip this week to Iran's clerical nerve-centre city of Qom.

According to Fars news agency which is close to the regime's hardliners, the conservative majority in the parliament met on Thursday morning with Majlis speaker Ali Larijani to discuss the situation, after hearing a report by a deputy who recently met with Ahmadinejad.

Fifty conservative lawmakers on Wednesday signed a petition demanding that Ahmadinejad appear before parliament.

Hmmm, this is weird...but was to be expected. After all, the supreme leaders came into power after the West put them there...if Iran ever wants to progress, as Ahmadinejad has claimed to want over and over again, then a rift only makes sense, as it is not Iran's own form of government that is in place.


It's amazing watching you mouthpieces try and make sense of it

And word of advice, intentionally misspelling someones name when all you've done is ride their names like a bull for months and years on end, is a terrible reflection upon your intelligence - but hey, you are trying to be funny, while trying to convince people to believe your bull#, right?

For further information, sleeping on a rug/ground is actually good for you, given there are no cold air currents freezing you up. But then again, who would expect your fragile infantile minds to even contemplate for a moment?

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Wow.. nothing like being schooled by a pretentious prig. I could care less how he spells his name, and I could care less how I spell his name. He is not my President, and he opresses his own people. If he wants respect, he must earn it, like every other leader, including my President.

Also, since you apparently seem to have a problem understanding what sarcasm is, let me help you out-

sar·casm
   [sahr-kaz-uhm] Show IPA

–noun
1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.

2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.

Maybe if the Government of Iran didnt spend so much time killing and opressing their own citizens, they would have the time to school us in the proper spelling of names, like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, instead of teaching their own people Great Satan.

Do you have anything at all to add to this thread that is on topic? If so please do so, and if not, please move on.

Well we now have sanctions on Syria.. The escalation is coming, especially with the UN wanting to give Syria money. Any wagers on whether Iran will stand with Syria if it goes that far?

That gigantic flushing noise you hear is Ahmedinejad's future career options.

Advice to Mahmoud; Ticking off a guy who's job description ad title are both "Supreme leader" just isn't a good idea, man. Just 'cause the Israelis keep saying you're an all-powerful wizard who controls everything in Iran doesn't actually mean you are. Also, trim the beard a bit, you look like the Fifth Beatle and frankly, it's embarassing.

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Of course, American posters will trash the man because we've been listening too much to anti-Iran propaganda.

The way the western media twists his words and the Ayatollah bristles, he won't be around much longer anyway.

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Ever ask an Iranian what it's like to live there?

Or do you listen only to ex-pats with outlandish stories?

Originally posted by The Sword
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Of course, American posters will trash the man because we've been listening too much to anti-Iran propaganda.

The way the western media twists his words and the Ayatollah bristles, he won't be around much longer anyway.

Wouldnt your argument be the exact same on this side of the fence? If you want people to be open minded, its probably not a good idea to do exactly the same thing that pisses you off..

just saying..

Also, its not jsut Western media.. Fresh from the political grape vines of PressTV - The offical mouthpiece of Iran -

Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei has urged the Iranian nation to refrain from any measure that would undermine unity in the country.

“Any measure that makes enemies happy, sparks controversy or saddens friends is reprehensible and should be avoided,” Ayatollah Khamenei said in a meeting with heads and members of provincial councils and mayors of provincial cities on Saturday.

“The Islamic Republic of Iran takes pride in the fact that the viewpoints, ideas and demands of the people have been seriously taken into consideration from the very beginning.”

The Leader stressed that “independence and identity” were among the outstanding features of the Islamic Republic of Iran, saying Islam has enabled the country to maintain its “Iranian identity” as well.

Ayatollah Khamenei highlighted the role of city and rural Islamic councils in the country and called for the reinforcement and improvement of the councils.

The Leader underlined the need for “coordination and solidarity” between the city and rural councils and the country's apparatuses and said any kind of “inconsistency and negative rivalry would very harmful for the country.”

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Gee, I wonder what he is referring to?

Not to mention the President is still absent.....

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I could care less how he spells his name, and I could care less how I spell his name.

I see you are not a big supporter of education.

He is not my President, and he opresses his own people. If he wants respect, he must earn it, like every other leader, including my President.

He is not your president. He oppresses his own people? Directly? Or indirectly like many others? And can he be held responsible for the actions of say, power tripping police officers and prison guards?

he must earn it you say...ow but I forget, this is a conspiracy site after all!

Also, since you apparently seem to have a problem understanding what sarcasm is, let me help you out-

I see...so what you are saying here is that certain people have the ability to read sarcasm on the internet. Or do you have a device for that?

Maybe if the Government of Iran didnt spend so much time killing and opressing their own citizens,

See, when you say stuff like this I agree with you. But then you go on...

they would have the time to school us in the proper spelling of names, like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad,

It is not up to the Iranian government to school you unless you attend a public school in Iran. It is certainly up to yourself to educate yourself when it comes to foreign languages, names, culture...after all, if you regard the Iranian regime as your enemy it would be stupid to make yourself look stupid over a name all the time. I'm just saying. But that's not all...you go on...

Do you have anything at all to add to this thread that is on topic? If so please do so, and if not, please move on.

I did post something on topic did I not? You are all flabbergasted.

instead of teaching their own people Great Satan.

Originally posted by Zamini
I see you are not a big supporter of education.

More of a supporter than what we find in some middle eastern countries. Iran would be better off if they spent more time building educational facilities and les time denouncing the Great Satan.

Originally posted by Zamini
He is not your president. He oppresses his own people? Directly? Or indirectly like many others? And can he be held responsible for the actions of say, power tripping police officers and prison guards?

Should we look at the GReen revolution as an example of how his style of opression works? Or is that the fault of the Ayatollah? Sure he can, since the Supreme Leader can hold him accountible for whatever he sees fit at any given point in time with no reason or cause.

Originally posted by Zamini

he must earn it you say...ow but I forget, this is a conspiracy site after all!

Going back to that education thing.. The forum this is posted in, is not in a conspiracy forum. Its posted in Current events - Middle East. Again, more time building educational facilities, less time denouncing the Great Satan. You will eventually clue in on it.

And yes, earn it, just like My President has to do. Respect is earned, not demanded, nor expected. Any person in a position of authority who thinks it works that way, has no concept of what respect actually is, and thats not just limited to the Iranian President or Supreme Ruler.

Originally posted by Zamini
I see...so what you are saying here is that certain people have the ability to read sarcasm on the internet. Or do you have a device for that?

Exactly.. some people for whatever reason, educational, societal, culteral, personal beliefs, what have you, cannot pick up on sarcasm in forums. The device for detecting it is hidden in the back seat of the flying saucer Iran built.

by the way, that was more sarcasm...

Originally posted by Zamini

Maybe if the Government of Iran didnt spend so much time killing and opressing their own citizens,

See, when you say stuff like this I agree with you. But then you go on...

they would have the time to school us in the proper spelling of names, like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad,

It is not up to the Iranian government to school you unless you attend a public school in Iran. It is certainly up to yourself to educate yourself when it comes to foreign languages, names, culture...after all, if you regard the Iranian regime as your enemy it would be stupid to make yourself look stupid over a name all the time. I'm just saying. But that's not all...you go on...

Do you have anything at all to add to this thread that is on topic? If so please do so, and if not, please move on.

I did post something on topic did I not? You are all flabbergasted.

Not flabbergasted in the least. I was pointing out that instead of following the topic at hand, you went off on a side road, pointing out items in my posts that are irrelevant to the topic at hand. The topic was about the internal power issue that apparently is ongoing, not how I mispell his name, or what I think of the man personally.

As far as looking stupid in front of the Iranian Government, that is a stretch. However, since you opened the door I would look no more stupid or incompetant / out of touch for mispelling a name than they do by refering to the US as the Great Satan, instead of the United States of America.

This goes back to the whole respect bit and it being a 2 way road.

As far as the comment about the Iranian Government not being responsible for peoples education, personally speaking, I think this is a problem and somewhat of a fallacy at the same time.

The people are left to educate themselves, but how can that happen when the education they find is, to put it nicely, limited? How can a person educate themselves on whats going outside of their own borders when they are not allowed to see both sides of an issue? How can a person learn, when they are denied the ability to question leadership and challenge them? How can a person educate themselves, when the law is open to interpretation by a select few (Islamic Law).

What I am saying is, from this side oif the fence looking over to Irans, its impoissible for a person to learn anything, except for what they are told to learn by the Government?

Learning by definition is trial and error. We learn from our mistakes, we challenge those people who made those mistakes in an effort to improve upon the idea and correct the mistakes.

When only certain aspects of an issue are presented, its not learning. When people try to learn about those aspects, they can and usually are punished, and that is not learning either. Pardon the comparison, but its akin to Pavlovs theory, which is conditioning.

Ill stop here so we dont delve into a point by point comparison between the Us and Iran, although if you want we can make a seperate thread and continue that particular conversation there. I bet we both can learn something from it, provided we can set aside some preconceived notions and keep an open mind..

Contray to popular belief, I have the utmost respect for the Persian culture. It is one of the oldest on the planet, dating back to around 2700 BC. Iran is unique in its own way by being part of EurAsia, while grouped in with the Middle East. Its unique in the sense they are Persian, and not Arab. Contrary to accepted beliefs, Chess actually origionated in Persia in the form we know now.

As I said, respect is earned and is a 2 way road. As an example, since you have knowledge of Iran, you could have taken the opprotunity to educate me, instead of critiquing my typing / spelling.