ACETRADAMUS questions the BC of Obama because the hospital name is 17 years early. Yipes!

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by mayabong
I dont know is this the right site?

www.kapiolani.org...

In 1908, Albert and Emma Kauikeolani Wilcox donated $50,000 to start a children's hospital. The community, concerned that two of every seven infants in Hawai‘i did not live to see their first birthday, rallied to match the Wilcox's gift. A year later, Kauikeolani Children's Hospital opened. The two hospitals joined in 1978 to become Kapi‘olani Medical Center for Women & Children. Staying true to its mission, the non-profit hospital has played a vital role in the health of Hawaii's women, children and adolescents. It is staffed with highly skilled, compassionate physicians and nurses,

Picture of Obama's Birth Certificate Here.
www.foxnews.com...

Wow, looks like a pretty open-and-shut answer to the OP's question.


I wondered what took them so long to just go ahead and fake a birth certificate. And then to do this bad of a job on top of it? Maybe they made it this obvious on purpose?

I am confused how people can read the above and not realize it actually disproves thier BS rather than affirms it?

Here let's try this...Here's your quote...

www.kapiolani.org...

In 1908, Albert and Emma Kauikeolani Wilcox donated $50,000 to start a children's hospital. The community, concerned that two of every seven infants in Hawai‘i did not live to see their first birthday, rallied to match the Wilcox's gift. A year later, Kauikeolani Children's Hospital opened. The two hospitals joined in 1978 to become Kapi‘olani Medical Center for Women & Children.

See the " joined together" phrase?

Pres. Obama's Certificate: Kapoliani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital

+ (joined together in 1978)

Kauikeolani Childrens Hospital

= Kapiolani Medical Center for Women & Children

There is absolutely nothing inconsistant with Pres. Obama's Certificate specifying "Kapoliani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital"....it would only be inconsistant if it said "Kapiolani Medical Center for Women & Children"


How are people not seeing that? It is bizzare to me that they can read a paragraph that clearly explains it and then claim it says something completely different? It's right there...You cited it..

All I can say is here is a photostat copy of one of the twins born within 24 hours of Obama.

The Hosiptal name is what it is:
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/de491435d5ea.jpg[/atsimg]

Be sure to check out this thread that outlines the many discrepencies between the two B.C.'s from the same hospital within 24 hours.

A tale of two birth certificates: (Compare Obama's BC to twins born day after-incredible),
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I don't know, You tell me.

Originally posted by anon72
All I can say is here is a photostat copy of one of the twins born within 24 hours of Obama.

The Hosiptal name is what it is:
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/de491435d5ea.jpg[/atsimg]

Be sure to check out this thread that outlines the many discrepencies between the two B.C.'s from the same hospital within 24 hours.

A tale of two birth certificates: (Compare Obama's BC to twins born day after-incredible),
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I don't know, You tell me.

YES...THE EXACT SAME AS PRESIDENT OBAMA'S...Kapoliani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital

Seriously...does birtherism effect your vision???? WTF are you talking about?

reply to post by maybereal11


Me? The thread is about the name of the hospital being named 17 years later.

I put that up to show that the name appears to have been what it said to be in 1961, by comparison of the two, ergo, the theory of the name is incorrect or something in the OP reporting etc.

I stated yesterday-on a thread of mine that I don't doubt he was born in HI anymore. I have doubts about his B.C. but is from an investigators angle. It is odd the points that are being made as to the legitimacy of the B.C.

Here's what I think. Let's just drop the whole birth certificate thing altogether, because it is being used as a political weapon against the people who are not convinced that it's real. Regardless of your position on the matter, it would be refreshing to see the debate go away, yes?

Why do I say this?

Partly because I am sick of hearing about it.

Partly because, historically, the Democrats have done a really good job of hamstringing themselves by what they say and what they do. They don't need any help from anyone to land a political faceplant.

Let's not give them any more ammo to launch misdirection campaigns to mask their failures.

Originally posted by anon72
reply to post by maybereal11

 

I put that up to show that the name appears to have been what it said to be in 1961, by comparison of the two, ergo, the theory of the name is incorrect or something in the OP reporting etc.

I stated yesterday-on a thread of mine that I don't doubt he was born in HI anymore. I have doubts about his B.C. but is from an investigators angle.

Apologies I thought you were backing the wrong name of hospital theorey.

Originally posted by anon72

It is odd the points that are being made as to the legitimacy of the B.C.

edit on 4/29/2011 by anon72 because: (no reason given)

Yep. Strangely there is a new crop of birthers/new posters....I never thought I would say this but I prefer the old guard since they at least had basic knowlede about the issue. The new ones are making bizzare claims...not distorting facts, but rather just inventing an alternate world altogether.

Kenya and the Hospital he was born at didn't exist when he was born....etc. Just wierd.

Why has some of the short form text been imprinted onto the printout of information from the long form? Reduce the brightness and increase the contrast of the long form PDF in an image-editing program and you will see the faint words "OAHU", "SEX", "Hour of Birth" and "Obama" all in the relative positions they have on the short form released in 2008. If this is a photocopy and the short form was pressed behind the printout of the long form, so that that text from the former bled through the latter, why does the "signature of attendant" box show a large block of illegible text in it which was not on the short form? Even if OCR was not turned off during scanning, text has appeared that was not on the short form, as well as text that WAS!!

This does not make sense to me and suggests yet more evidence for digital manipulation.

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
Here's what I think. Let's just drop the whole birth certificate thing altogether,

Partly because, historically, the Democrats have done a really good job of hamstringing themselves by what they say and what they do. They don't need any help from anyone to land a political faceplant.

I thought this wasn't politically motivated? It was about adhering to constitutional requirements?

Thanks for at least being honest that the issue was never anything more than a political smear...and now a failed one.

Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
Here's what I think. Let's just drop the whole birth certificate thing altogether,

Partly because, historically, the Democrats have done a really good job of hamstringing themselves by what they say and what they do. They don't need any help from anyone to land a political faceplant.

I thought this wasn't politically motivated? It was about adhering to constitutional requirements?

Thanks for at least being honest that the issue was never anything more than a political smear...and now a failed one.

No, I think there's more to it than that, but I do find it interesting how you twisted my words to make it sound like I said that the birther movement was a smear campaign against Obama, when I clearly said (and you edited out) that the dems are using it against the birthers.

Another case of "I know you are but what am I?" spin doctoring. Deflect blame by calling back the same.

I don't know if anybody has posted this anywhere in here I didn't look and if they did it doesn't matter. The more times the better.
Obama'a long form forgery by Outlivesheep

www.video.me...


outlivesheep.com...

Originally posted by hawaii50th
I don't know if anybody has posted this anywhere in here I didn't look and if they did it doesn't matter. The more times the better.
Obama'a long form forgery by Outlivesheep

www.video.me...


outlivesheep.com...

Thanks, hawaii50th, for that video -- that's the clearest explanation of how the long form BC was built/faked, that I've seen yet. My understanding is that a scan of a genuine document would not have layers.

Originally posted by maybereal11
I am confused how people can read the above and not realize it actually disproves thier BS rather than affirms it?

Here let's try this...Here's your quote...

www.kapiolani.org...

In 1908, Albert and Emma Kauikeolani Wilcox donated $50,000 to start a children's hospital. The community, concerned that two of every seven infants in Hawai‘i did not live to see their first birthday, rallied to match the Wilcox's gift. A year later, Kauikeolani Children's Hospital opened. The two hospitals joined in 1978 to become Kapi‘olani Medical Center for Women & Children.

See the " joined together" phrase?

Yes, I see it. The name "Kapoliani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital" is not apparent in the paragraph and I must have read it too quickly.

Anyway, someone has posted on another thread similar documents supposedly from the same time period with the same hospital name on Obama's new certificate. So I suppose this really is not a legitimate issue with it.

But as I also said on the other thread, the CIA and FBI have been in the business of creating fake identification documents for foreign spies and creating other aliases for their agents for years. The bottom line is that if Obama was not born here, that does not mean he would not have a birth certificate. It would just be rather conclusive if a birth certificate he provided was proven to be a fake. The PDF layers present in the copy from the White House is still an open question to me, along with all the other missing information from his childhood, all the information related to the Soetoro name, etc., although the last issues are more circumstantial (as are most conspiracy theories). The whole situation stinks to me.

reply to post by bsbray11

The whole situation stinks to me.

My sentiments exactly. Anyone who sits back and takes everything about this fellow at face value must believe that we are in Iraq because our intelligence assets were so infallible about the weapons of mass destruction and just made an owie that one time. Silly intelligence assets.

reply to post by spacedonk


Look..lets be honest here....with all the technology we have today...are you going to tell me that its not possible to make a birth certificate? really? lets be real. Does that mean that is what's happened? no, of course not..but all this time we..the american people who doubted have been asking for him to show it...he did not..now the next election is coming up....Trump is pulling ahead..and he hasn't even announced he is running yet...and Obama releases it? just like that? really? all that money to seal up his "private" info (in my opinion..a president does not have "private" info) and then after all that effort, just says "here you go"?

When you look at one part of the story...yes it sounds crazy that anyone would question his eligibility..but when you put all of the each pieces together....the story is very very damning. I truly believe he is not from here. Muslim? that I have no idea about..really, I'm not sure it would even make that huge of a difference given the more and more pronounced move away from faith in the political world, but I truly don't believe he is from here and that to me matters. I think our trouble started way back with Kennedy. I, as crazy as it sounds believe that our votes do not count at all..think about it...back during the election..they were calling for Hilary to drop out of the running...when she was in the lead....why?! why in the world would the Democratic party claim that she needed to pull out, when her polls were ahead?

This guy came from no where! and he made all these promises that he did not keep. The fact is....whether he is eligible or not..whether he is from here or not..really doesn't matter, because the facts are he has done absolutely nothing for our country but sink it further. He makes great speeches and takes some really amazing vacations...but he has kept not one of his promises that he made. At all. So, whether he is from here or not..whether he is muslim or not...doesn't matter..because all in all..he has not been a good president.

Boycott The Dunghead Media Demagogues

Originally posted by hawaii50th

Boycott The Dunghead Media Demagogues

This was worth watching, although I think Manning could have been more succinct.

I don't think Manning is going to have any luck getting Roger Ailes (President of Fox) and Bill Hemmer (Fox reporter) to re-air Hemmer's 2008 investigation of Obama's mythical attendance of Columbia U. Hemmer interviewed about 400 people at Columbia during the time Obama supposedly attended. None of these 400 people have any memory of Obama at Columbia.

I will be surprised if George Stephanopoulos will be brave enough to re-air his 2008 statement that he attended Columbia U at the same time Obama was supposed to have been there, and he had no memory of Obama and furthermore, he did not know anyone who remembered Obama at Columbia.

These people are all shills for the Corporacy Elite -- the same people who put Obama in the WH. If they want to keep their jobs....

Manning would have better luck recruiting Wayne Allyn Root (Libertarian) who actually attended Columbia U as a PoliSci major (Class of 1983) at the same time Obama was supposed to have been there.
Root has no memory of Obama at Columbia.

In 2008, the Columbia U Class of 1983 had their 25 Year Class Reunion -- no one at the reunion could remember Obama or knew anyone who remembered Obama at Columbia.

Obama graduated from Occidental in 1981 as a 'C' studen and started Harvard in 1988. Where was Obama during the intervening seven years?

You couldn't invent this stuff. Truth is stranger than fiction.

Originally posted by AuranVector

Originally posted by hawaii50th

Boycott The Dunghead Media Demagogues

This was worth watching, although I think Manning could have been more succinct.

I don't think Manning is going to have any luck getting Roger Ailes (President of Fox) and Bill Hemmer (Fox reporter) to re-air Hemmer's 2008 investigation of Obama's mythical attendance of Columbia U. Hemmer interviewed about 400 people at Columbia during the time Obama supposedly attended. None of these 400 people have any memory of Obama at Columbia.

I will be surprised if George Stephanopoulos will be brave enough to re-air his 2008 statement that he attended Columbia U at the same time Obama was supposed to have been there, and he had no memory of Obama and furthermore, he did not know anyone who remembered Obama at Columbia.

These people are all shills for the Corporacy Elite -- the same people who put Obama in the WH. If they want to keep their jobs....

Manning would have better luck recruiting Wayne Allyn Root (Libertarian) who actually attended Columbia U as a PoliSci major (Class of 1983) at the same time Obama was supposed to have been there.
Root has no memory of Obama at Columbia.

In 2008, the Columbia U Class of 1983 had their 25 Year Class Reunion -- no one at the reunion could remember Obama or knew anyone who remembered Obama at Columbia.

Obama graduated from Occidental in 1981 as a 'C' studen and started Harvard in 1988. Where was Obama during the intervening seven years?

You couldn't invent this stuff. Truth is stranger than fiction.

I believe that no one will be able to do anything or stop this man in the White House from doing what he's doing. Obama has been put there for reasons that a majority of people do not know about, do not understand, and just can not see. He will be the complete demise of the U.S.A. a plan put in place by others for a deeper purpose than many realize. This is a man of no moral ethic, and no patriotism to what America stood for. The end of America is coming to a close.
Follow the thread to more immoral acts to come.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

More interesting outlooks, tidbits, and points to be made on the whole issue of the COLB.

Obama: World intelligence agencies
Posted on 30. Apr, 2011 by Wayne Madsen in US [Translate] Obama's long form birth certificate a rank forgery By Wayne Madsen From intelligence agencies around the world, the verdict on President Obama's newly-released certificate of live birth from Hawaii is in: the certificate is a rank forgery on the same level as the Niger "yellow cake" uranium and Iraq Oil Ministry forged documents. Intelligence and law enforcement services are experts on fake documents since they have to deal with large numbers of counterfeit documents, such as birth certificates, passports, identity cards and driver's licenses, as well as currency. Intelligence agencies are also experts at forging their own documents for their clandestine agents
www.opinion-maker.org...

Originally posted by jimnuggits
And this is why the Tea Party and Birthers are seen as racists. It's the only argument left that makes any sense.

You are grasping at thin, flimsy straws. I'm a die hard liberal pinko commie, I was there in DC throwing eggs after what I thought was a stolen 2001 election. Bush still served 8 years.

Please try to find an actual POLITICAL issue to argue. This is redundant, and a truly assinine waste of energy. Trust me, even if he was born on Mars, you're going to have to do better than this.

Good luck with all the not being irrelevant anymore...

Peace to you, passionate few...

edit on 28-4-2011 by jimnuggits because: (no reason given)

The only racist bigot is you.
1) Your assertion that "if Obama was White" shows you hate white people because McCain WAS GRILLED OVER THIS(not being born on American soil) and he had to prove that he was eligible. But racist, or racialist bigots like you look to give Obama a pass because of his skin color?

If Obama was a "white" conservative I guarantee you that Acorn and every-other leftist African American political pundit would be demanding his impeachment(along with the rest of the insane leftist, traitorous cabal of American Marxist's).

P.S
Where you throwing eggs also at the DNC too? Because they DID try to rig the vote too? Oh that is different I am guessing? Typical.

reply to post by spacedonk


I raised this same isue on the first post/thread about this discrepancy.

Obama was not born in Hawaii, it seems that state allows foreigners to register a birth there without checks and balances.
BHO is a native of Kenya and you Yanks are to weak to challenge this imposter in a court of law.. Even Donald Trump, with all his billions, does not have the balls and backbone to challenge the validity of the presidency. Why?
Oh yes, the NWO controls Trump, Fox News and Obama himself.
Those of us who don't live in the USA are laughing.
.A bloke whose mother had a one night stand with some Kenyan activist is your president.
And you know what, you deserve him.