Let's hear your Constitutional opinion!

Originally posted by kro32
Language can be considered assult and has precedent in the courts. Alot of it actually so there is nothing constitutionally wrong with this at all.

I think it's stupid but that's just my opinion.

Only if it's targeted at another person.

Otherwise there's no crime.

Originally posted by alphabetaone

Originally posted by kro32
Language can be considered assult and has precedent in the courts. Alot of it actually so there is nothing constitutionally wrong with this at all.

I think it's stupid but that's just my opinion.

Only if it's targeted at another person.

Otherwise there's no crime.

This is true. Not sure about precedent for just generally shouting vulgarities. They could probably get you for disturbing the peace or some nonesense like that. They will find some law to apply it to of that i'm sure.

Is cussing an opinion? I don't think so..

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

You have the right to express your opinion of the government with out fear of persecution. You do not have the right to cuss some one out. That is verbal assault.

Besides, if you are unable to express your opinion with out using cuss words,I suggest a dictionary and a thesaurus. There are much better words to use, that will make you seem much smarter and it gets the point across much better.

You do not have the right to cuss. If there is a policy in place that you are not allowed to cuss on their property, and you do cuss, they have the right to enforce it... Verbal assault. Aimed at them or not... If they do not want you cussing, the law would call that verbal assault....

But you know, cuss all you want at your house if you like. Perhaps there is a place that has no policy against it.... Go there and cuss.... At the very least, be respectful of their policy.... Find better words to express yourself.

Yes by cussing you are preventing other people to peaceably assemble. I suppose they could get you on that also if they wanted.

Bottom line is that their rule is valid no matter how you look at it.

Originally posted by kro32
Bottom line is that their rule is valid no matter how you look at it.

So if I bang my head on a filing cabinet and shout F***! rather than PUMPERNICKLE! and I get arrested...

their rule is valid?






...yeah, no.

I think the bigger picture here is if I see a sign like this (not a temporary hand-written just put up sign, but one that took some time to create and install) in a place where I am expecting some degree of service, just maybe it was posted because apparently the actual service itself may be prone to produce some vulgar reaction.

I mean, if a public department is run efficiently enough to meet the needs of the citizen it is designed for and creates a satisfying result, there would be no need for a &%$@ing sign now would there?

Originally posted by goddesslovr88
I think the bigger picture here is if I see a sign like this (not a temporary hand-written just put up sign, but one that took some time to create and install) in a place where I am expecting some degree of service, just maybe it was posted because apparently the actual service itself may be prone to produce some vulgar reaction.

I mean, if a public department is run efficiently enough to meet the needs of the citizen it is designed for and creates a satisfying result, there would be no need for a &%$@ing sign now would there?

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Well my wife works at a hosipital, in charge of patient services, and she runs into people all the time who are very upset for one reason or another. Insurance problems, not seeing the doctor when they want to and so on so yes even if places are run efficiently people still may overreact.

One of my professors in school cusses alot during lecture and I politely sent him an e-mail asking him to ease it up a bit since alot of the kids in class were getting offended by it but didn't want to say anything so it can have an effect on others.

Originally posted by eNumbra

Originally posted by kro32
Bottom line is that their rule is valid no matter how you look at it.

So if I bang my head on a filing cabinet and shout F***! rather than PUMPERNICKLE! and I get arrested...

their rule is valid?

...yeah, no.

Can you not control your tongue???

Do you have no respect for others???



I have no problem with cussing...I cuss all the time...but I do it where it is appropriate. I'm not a mindless fool who just randomly spews out swear words. When I hear people swear out in public...I think of them as unintelligent and/or ignorant.

Saying that profanity is not allowed is not restricting your freedom of speech...grow up.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Can you not control your tongue???

When I need to.

Do you have no respect for others???

Really? In a world of bankers and politicians misappropriating the money of the public, people who are generally selfish and rarely ever having been shown respect first in this world?

You know what? No. No I don't. Humanity has lost my respect as a general rule.

I have no problem with cussing...I cuss all the time...but I do it where it is appropriate. I'm not a mindless fool who just randomly spews out swear words. When I hear people swear out in public...I think of them as unintelligent and/or ignorant.

Swearing randomly? No. Using them in proper context for accentuation, why? There is a vast difference between what you are talking about and what I am talking about.

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Humanity has lost my respect as a general rule.

If you show no respect...why do you think your "rights" should be respected?

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All that sign means is if you get out of hand,and swear, they will slap a "disorderly conduct" charge on you. Is it over the top? Dont know.The only way it will be brought up is if someone fights it in court. Heres an example of misuse of a States disorderly conduct statute.



Roper says the case that brought about the settlement involved a Luzerne County woman who shouted an unkind epithet at a motorcyclist who swerved close to her. She says Pennsylvania State Police have agreed to stop citing people for cussing and to provide mandatory training for troopers about free speech.

Roper says Pittsburgh police agreed to a similar settlement and that ACLU will continue to take on local police departments that misuse the state’s disorderly conduct statute.

Pa. State Police To Stop Citing People For Using Profanity

I was once arrested for indecent language(20years ago), I'm in Australia and we probably swear more than most other countries,It was probably the fact i said 'coppers are nothing but a pack of f&%#ing a%$%#e c@#s " with a policeman standing behind me that got me in trouble thou,plead guilty and got a $200 fine with no conviction recorded,funny thing was the prosecutor had to read out in court what i said,it got a few peeps in the galley laughing,to be 18 and silly again,

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There are bigger +(#*^$! fish to fry than to worry about this.

2nd


baka.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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Humanity has lost my respect as a general rule.

If you show no respect...why do you think your "rights" should be respected?

I showed people respect my entire life, I still do because I have to because of notions of "polite" society.
Rights are to be respected because they are rights.

It's how the words are used, not the words themselves that are harmful. Making an old woman blush is not a reason to be arrested.

Okay, let's change the scenario. Say telemarketers, creditors, collection agencies, even DPSOA telemarketing. You're in your home, these jack-tards call you begging for money.

Personally, I make them feel as uncomfortable as possible. Cursing, threats, snide remarks, no holds barred here. I hate their guts. Not so much the person, but the parasitic profession that they have chosen to take part in.

Now, the DPS. Once it may have been a helpful respected job, but now it is just as parasitic as say politics, insurance, healthcare, litigation.

All that I am saying here is that if a person chooses to take on a parasitic profession, than he or she deserves our disgust, outrage, and general hatred. There are no customers here, only victims. Expressing ones outrage over being victimized by these parasitic professions, even through cursing is A-Ok. If they don't like it, maybe they'll change jobs and have a better life.

THAT is patently unconstitutional.

Why?

Because the Constitution doesn't make a distinction between pretty speech and ugly speech.

And neither has the supreme court.

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It is a government building, so public.


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I believe free speech was intended to mean that you have freedom to speak about government, if you like or dislike something about it, without having your head chopped off.

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It is a governments building, and why can they dictate what words one uses to express oneself?


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Protecting our rights is the biggest #ing fish to fry.


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