Shepard Smith: "Fox News Can Confirm That The President Of The United States

Originally posted by Tephra

Sure, we're a bunch of babbling idiots....

I didn't say it...you did.

Originally posted by Tephra
You know what's nonsense, spending millions of dollars to cover up simple documents

You are right. That IS nonsense. Before you take WND as gospel, perhaps research the nonsense? Or does that get in the way of being a "babbling idiot"?

The Obama campaign paid thier attorneys around 1.7 Million over a 2 years campaign cycle and none of it, not a penny, has been linked to the "birthers" issue.

Originally posted by Tephra

Keep your disgusting unmerited attacks to yourself.

Good advice...perhaps reflect upon it?

reply to post by SaturnFX


Do you believe in the Peak Oil Theory?
I ask because the main stance against it involves believing Mr Gold & USSR deep well theory.

Do you understand that Hawaii is not lawfully a state of the union?
I ask because you stated that we were to trust them (State representatives I suppose) over USSR (some russian woman who hates democrats) yet most rep's from Hawaii are not in favor of Hawaiian Independence so you will not hear them echoing the fact that Hawaii should not and lawfully is not a state.
Notice I did not use the term LEGALLY.

I personally do not care as it makes absolutely no difference wether O was born here or on mars.
The left right ILLUSION has been dispelled.
I always thought the presidents were fascist puppets and those who do not go along with the plan, deviate from course will be reminded of who they serve which is why reagan did not feel any pain until he was shoved inside the car!

It seems like alot of theory ultimately collapses back in upon itself and the birther theory seems to have done the same yet I do not doubt the importance of the argument if indeed it truly mattered.

Why would it matter??? let us examine.
We Americans want to believe that an American would have the best interests of Americans at heart yet has this historically been the case?
I think not thus the point is mute.

Ah yes there is the truth, it doesnt matter and this birther issue is simply a way to perpetuate the illusion of democracy on all sides.

People generally wish to believe that there is an on going struggle, that all is not "lost" or perhaps at least "not already decided" and that the glory days will soon return and the MSM are there every night and day to help you continue to believe in the illusion.

Like Healthcare, let us not talk about how big Pharma is raping us financially or poisoning us with bad meds etc etc... let us simply argue over wether to keep it the way it is (completely screwed) or change it to a new way where healthcare is enforced by big government (completely screwed).

You know, like when it comes to our money....dont ask how much we spend on War (more then something like the top 13 nations in the world combined yet we are merely 5% of the population) let us instead focus on some sort of welfare or other aid to the poor and middle classes because everyone knows that there are plenty of good jobs out there for everyone etc etc.... and if the government embarked on a JOBS PROJECT unless it was to benefit the Military Industrial Complex then its Socialism, Communism or some sort of ISM that they see as bad yet Corporate Welfare is good for us....

Yeah, thats the ticket!!!

Lastly, cannot seem to say this enough yet I am getting a kick out of all the CONSTITUTIONALISTS and how they do seem to thoroughly love their hangman.
Are they unaware that it was with the help of the CONstitution, ambiguous legalese contained within, that enabled politicians to strip them of their Sovereignty?

Rather amusing indeed.

Anwyays, just curious enough to ask the questions above wondering how they may impact your position, thanks!

Originally posted by OverMan
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Do you believe in the Peak Oil Theory?
I ask because the main stance against it involves believing Mr Gold & USSR deep well theory.

Never heard of it...or maybe I have under a different name or conspiracy...but at the moment, it doesn't ring a bell. is it relevant?

Do you understand that Hawaii is not lawfully a state of the union?
I ask because you stated that we were to trust them (State representatives I suppose) over USSR (some russian woman who hates democrats) yet most rep's from Hawaii are not in favor of Hawaiian Independence so you will not hear them echoing the fact that Hawaii should not and lawfully is not a state.
Notice I did not use the term LEGALLY.

Texas and alaska have issues also, but end of the day, their documents produced are seen as legitiment in the union, no matter what their gripes are.

I personally do not care as it makes absolutely no difference wether O was born here or on mars.
The left right ILLUSION has been dispelled.

Depends on what your viewing
Fiscally they are the same, sure...both wreckless spenders supporting a corporate war machine...however, there is significant differences in other social matters (which is what I go with since the rest is the same).
one side tightens envoronmental controls, the other destroys...that is not an illusion, that is a measurable fact of opposition. There are other aspects also,but won't go into what is left on the differences of LvR
To say both sides completely are bullocks is to basically fight for apathy and make people less inclined to even bother understanding the current issues. its a defeatist attitude.

I always thought the presidents were fascist puppets and those who do not go along with the plan, deviate from course will be reminded of who they serve which is why reagan did not feel any pain until he was shoved inside the car!

It seems like alot of theory ultimately collapses back in upon itself and the birther theory seems to have done the same yet I do not doubt the importance of the argument if indeed it truly mattered.

Well, the argument is based in false information easily disproved should anyone bother to read past a partisan propagnda machine. I would however be interested to know where the real money is coming from to push this and what the overall point is beyond winning the idiots vote.

As far as the overall argument of should a president have to be natural born?
I actually believe its important for a president to be a citizen...and you cannot be simply born into citizenship...you have to work for it and prove yourself loyal to the country, and willing to do some mental work. then votes wouldn't be american idol based who is cool, but rather from people whom proved their desire to be a citizen (only citizens may vote).

But, that is not the current argument anyhow.

The founding fathers started something pretty good here, however, they nerfed a few bits. American people are not great since you can simply be born defacto into citizenship, citizenship should be worked at, then maybe the country wouldn't be as screwed up as it is today


I agree with the rest of what you said and ultimately think I said the same thing just now, just more wordy.

I would love to have a actual discussion about the merits of citizenship and rule...what it should be, and what qualifications should be allowed for best service to the country (but first, you gotta get off the "the constitution says..." mindset, else there is no actual thinking going on)

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
LOL, where did you get 3 years? His BC was released in June 2008. 6 months after he went into office!

You probably misspoke here, but just wanted to make this point clear. The birth certificate was released several months prior to the election and Obama getting into office, not after.

Originally posted by OverMan
Do you understand that Hawaii is not lawfully a state of the union?

Oh boy...

I personally do not care as it makes absolutely no difference wether O was born here or on mars.

Then stop raising false issues.

Originally posted by abecedarian
Arnold Schwarzenegger is a citizen too. So, point being?

Does Arnold have a birth certificate which certifies he was born in the United States? Noooooooo.

Why don't you birthers just admit that even if Obama released his long form birth certificate you still wouldn't believe it so we can write you off once and for all as hopeless cranks.

reply to post by UcDat


what a joke.


[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/92a60d1d680f.jpg[/atsimg]


"ok really.. this time.. we totally know a guy who knows a dude who can verify that its true.. honestly.."

Originally posted by reeferman
reply to post by UcDat

 

what a joke.


[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/92a60d1d680f.jpg[/atsimg]


"ok really.. this time.. we totally know a guy who knows a dude who can verify that its true.. honestly.."

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lol star for the pic
and ya the media is nothing but the propaganda machine for the fascist state of america. Still even a hundred monkeys typing in a room are bound to be right sometimes...
My main point here is that the birther issue is just a distraction. From what you ask look at my other threads from today alone...
This is the least important piece of fluff yet its getting all the hits
look at this www.abovetopsecret.com...
this www.abovetopsecret.com... or this www.abovetopsecret.com...
Id say keeping all that off your minds makes them the winners no matter how clever you all think you are

Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by Tephra

Sure, we're a bunch of babbling idiots....

I didn't say it...you did.

Originally posted by Tephra
You know what's nonsense, spending millions of dollars to cover up simple documents

You are right. That IS nonsense. Before you take WND as gospel, perhaps research the nonsense? Or does that get in the way of being a "babbling idiot"?

The Obama campaign paid thier attorneys around 1.7 Million over a 2 years campaign cycle and none of it, not a penny, has been linked to the "birthers" issue.

Originally posted by Tephra

Keep your disgusting unmerited attacks to yourself.

Good advice...perhaps reflect upon it?

edit on 26-4-2011 by maybereal11 because: (no reason given)

edit on 26-4-2011 by maybereal11 because: (no reason given)

I made a personal attack in this thread? Interesting interpretation.

I'd love to know how you acquired this information regarding the breakdown of funds to Obama's legal team and how none of this money went towards this issue.

So the countless (we're talking 100+) lawsuits against him for this issue, even reaching the supreme court on at least one occasion hasn't costed Obama a penny? Oh that's right, when the Supreme Court of this land is corrupt you can just tell them to make the case disappear?



Look at it with some basic 5th grader logic:

A very small percentage of people in the beginning were questioning his birth. (Me included)
-Their response was to release this questionable at best freshly printed certification of live birth.
--------Fast foward a couple years--------

Now a small group has turned into a large segment of the population.
-Their response is to hide in the corner and throw money at the mob of people demanding the truth.


It doesn't take a fifth grader to know that they are clearly hiding something from the American people.

Maybe I missed something. As much as I'd like to see Fox news make this admission - I just can't seem to find it ON the Fox news website. That would be a start...but even when I google it - I can't find anything except for websites and blogs - NO MSM sites at all.

Like I said, I'd really like for this to be true, but until I can see it picked up and actually covered by Fox, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, etc - I can't say I accept it. Does anyone have a link that falls into these criteria that I've missed so we can put this to bed?

Thanks in advance...

Originally posted by Tephra
A very small percentage of people in the beginning were questioning his birth. (Me included)
-Their response was to release this questionable at best freshly printed certification of live birth.

Factcheck..pretty pictures and everything

According to the Department of Hawaiian Homelands:


Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification.
The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individuals birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person's birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.

So, a long-form Certificate has additional information on it that that is useful for genealogical purposes. However, both the certificate and the certification are certified government records providing prima facia proof of the information they contain.

Keep on carrying on though. I love the obama is a kenyan, obama is a socialist, obama is a reptilian threads though.

Originally posted by Tephra

Keep your disgusting unmerited attacks to yourself.

Maybereal11: Good advice...perhaps reflect upon it?

I made a personal attack in this thread? Interesting interpretation.

You claimed that he had spent Millions hiding his long form birth certificate...."unmerited attacks".

Originally posted by Tephra
I'd love to know how you acquired this information regarding the breakdown of funds to Obama's legal team and how none of this money went towards this issue.

So the countless (we're talking 100+) lawsuits against him for this issue, even reaching the supreme court on at least one occasion hasn't costed Obama a penny?

I know because I have spent an inordinate amount of time researching each and every BS claim that "birthers" make. Not because I am an Obama fan...but because bat*&^% crazy people who lie to people bug me.

Every case that has been brought concerning this issue has been dismissed on lack or merits or standing. Cases that courts dismiss and think are worthless do not cost the defendant anything.

Originally posted by Tephra
Look at it with some basic 5th grader logic:

I'd rather use "grown-up" logic if you don't mind, but at least now I know why you are easily confused on the issue.

reply to post by maybereal11


Ah yes, lack of standing....the corrupt judges favorite weapon.

Who has standing in such a matter if not a citizen of the nation this man presides over? Who?

As far as Saturn's ridiculous attempt at personally attacking and demeaning a very valid concern about his certification of live birth, which I saw years ago WHICH I CLEARLY ALREADY STATED, thanks for reposting that pointlessly. (even though you couldn't even post the link properly.)

There is a plethora of issues with the evidence on both sides of the debate, but the simple fact which no one can deny. What are they trying to hide.

Originally posted by userid1
Maybe I missed something. As much as I'd like to see Fox news make this admission - I just can't seem to find it ON the Fox news website. That would be a start...but even when I google it - I can't find anything except for websites and blogs - NO MSM sites at all.

Like I said, I'd really like for this to be true, but until I can see it picked up and actually covered by Fox, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, etc - I can't say I accept it. Does anyone have a link that falls into these criteria that I've missed so we can put this to bed?

Thanks in advance...

I watched it live on FOX with my own eyes. It happened. No link, and I'm not sure why that is either, but it for sure did happen.

...and there's a video of it in the first post. Did you miss that, or are you suggesting Shep Smith is perpetrating a hoax?

It's kind of strange that there aren't more people reporting on it. Several people said they saw it. I believe it now.

But I think FOX might be trying to tone the importance down and kind of quitely distance themselves from the fringe on the right. They have a reputation for reporting on crazy theories about Obama, but as the election season comes into view, they want their news to be thought of as factual and not based on rumors.

Just my theory.

Originally posted by sepermeru

Originally posted by userid1
Maybe I missed something. As much as I'd like to see Fox news make this admission - I just can't seem to find it ON the Fox news website. That would be a start...but even when I google it - I can't find anything except for websites and blogs - NO MSM sites at all.

Like I said, I'd really like for this to be true, but until I can see it picked up and actually covered by Fox, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, etc - I can't say I accept it. Does anyone have a link that falls into these criteria that I've missed so we can put this to bed?

Thanks in advance...

I watched it live on FOX with my own eyes. It happened. No link, and I'm not sure why that is either, but it for sure did happen.

...and there's a video of it in the first post. Did you miss that, or are you suggesting Shep Smith is perpetrating a hoax?

edit on 26-4-2011 by sepermeru because: edit button is my best friend

Not saying you didn't see it - actually hadn't noticed you mention you had. No, the issue is that it wasn't actually on Fox, but rather Media Matters (the post that is). Now, I personally have no reason to question Media Matters however, we've all seen the lengths some will go to to forge or otherwise alter pictures, quotes, and videos to hoax people, so it's prudent to apply the same standards of skepticism to both sides - no?

Just wanted to see if any of the other news outlets mentioned had picked this up...

Originally posted by userid1

Not saying you didn't see it - actually hadn't noticed you mention you had. No, the issue is that it wasn't actually on Fox, but rather Media Matters (the post that is). Now, I personally have no reason to question Media Matters however, we've all seen the lengths some will go to to forge or otherwise alter pictures, quotes, and videos to hoax people, so it's prudent to apply the same standards of scepticism to both sides - no?

Just wanted to see if any of the other news outlets mentioned had picked this up...

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I just want to be clear. You think Media Matters somehow faked this video of Shep Smith doing Fox News which contains the source of this report? How did they get him to sit for it?

Or you didn' t look at the video, didja. I think maybe you should do that now.

If this is fake, then the real story is that either Media Matters has somehow developed the technology to generate several minutes of linear remarks on a single topic by a prominent anchor, or Shep Smith just did something reaaaallly weird.

CNN's own investigators concluded today that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.www.cnn.com...

This is COMPLETELY lame. I happen to believe Obama WAS born in Hawaii, so let me say that up front. If that makes him a citizen of the US I am fine with that, too. Not a real issue, but..

THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE!!!!!!!!

WHY do we have to keep on going through this? This "certificate" that keeps being passed around is (wait for it)......a certificate that a certifcate exists.

It WAS ONCE THE CASE many years ago when you wanted your birth certificate, you wrote to the State, paid your fee, and they looked up, physically looked up your birth certifcate, made a photstat (an early form of photocopy, usually from microfilm) of the certificate, and someone signed an affadavit on the paper attesting that this was the real deal. This was the original birth certificate signed by the doctor attending the birth along with information provided, usually, by the mother. You can see the original signatures on this photstat copy.

Nowadays they DO NOT DO THAT. Why? Because it was too expensive and too slow. As state databases were created the computer took over this task. Once the data was in the computer, all a human had to do was use a few clicks of the mouse and Voila! A computer produced certificate that a birth certificate exists is spit out, and mailed out. It is ONE STEP REMOVED from the Real Deal, but most places requiring a birth certificate accept this as legit.

THAT'S what Obama has produced, a "certificate that a certificate exists." Now, ATS IS a conspiracy site, right??? Nobody here trusts the government to tell the truth. Everyone believes the government is hiding stuff from us mere mortals. Everyone has a hidden motive or is controlled by hidden powers, TPTB, the NWO, the Illuminati, etc. People never believe the MSM.

Yet on this issue people just roll over and play dead. You're drinking the Kool Aid.

You don't believe ANYTHING the MSM tells you, yet CNN & Fox come out and say, "Obama is a citizen, period" and you reaction? "Oh,, OK. That settles that then." What the hell is wrong with you people? Do you think the MSM (CNN is also reporting this, BTW) DOES NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE here between a computer-produced certifcate and one that was actually physically signed by the doctore, the mother, etc.?

What is so exceedingly difficult about allowing the original to be copied and faxed over the world. I can show you my original in 30 seconds. If Obama did this, especially if he did it with grace and a grin, it would be a HUGE PR coup for him.

So what's the problem here? It would take a few minutes to solve and then be a done deal. End of story. Go away now. Egg on your faces and all that.

It's to his complete advantage to do it, but he won't. Why not?

Originally posted by Tephra
Ah yes, lack of standing....the corrupt judges favorite weapon.

What’s more reasonable? That all the judges in the 80+ eligibility lawsuits that dismissed them for lack of standing are corrupt, or that they all came to the same conclusion considering the standing laws?

This is rhetorical of course, seeing as logic and reasonableness is not something I expect birthers to generally grasp.

Who has standing in such a matter if not a citizen of the nation this man presides over?

You should have read the opinions of the cases, because the courts explained this. The courts ruled citizens, voters, lacked standing because their alleged injury wasn’t particularized. This is one of the requirements of standing, and has been for decades.

Who?

John McCain.

There is a plethora of issues with the evidence on both sides of the debate, but the simple fact which no one can deny.

With one side not letting the actual facts, or laws, get in the way of their beliefs.

Originally posted by schuyler
THAT'S what Obama has produced, a "certificate that a certificate exists." ... Nobody here trusts the government to tell the truth.

Do you dispute that the certificate that Obama has presented reflects the information contained in the original records, as asserted by Department of Health officials?

If you don’t, why do you want to see the long form certificate? If you do, why would you trust the long form certificate they would present, if you don’t trust them with the short form?

You don't believe ANYTHING the MSM tells you, yet CNN & Fox come out and say, "Obama is a citizen, period" and you reaction? "Oh,, OK. That settles that then." What the hell is wrong with you people?

That might be a somewhat accurate characterization of a minority of people who believe Obama was born in the United States, like it’s probably a somewhat accurate characterization that some birthers are motivated by racism.

I, and I’m sure many others here, believe Obama was born in the United States, not because the mainstream media told us so, but because we’ve looked at the evidence and came to this conclusion.

People are obviously free to disagree with that conclusion, but they have to present some factual information to back up their conclusion. What they offer — and what you seem to be offering here — is not an argument, or factual information to back up that particular conclusion, but simply a question: “why doesn’t Obama release his long form birth certificate?”

I don’t think we’re supposed to have to prove a negative, especially when Obama isn’t under any legal obligation to comply with those demands.