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Originally posted by Tephra
Sure, we're a bunch of babbling idiots....
Originally posted by Tephra
You know what's nonsense, spending millions of dollars to cover up simple documents
Originally posted by Tephra
Keep your disgusting unmerited attacks to yourself.
Originally posted by OverMan
reply to post by SaturnFX
Do you believe in the Peak Oil Theory?
I ask because the main stance against it involves believing Mr Gold & USSR deep well theory.
Do you understand that Hawaii is not lawfully a state of the union?
I ask because you stated that we were to trust them (State representatives I suppose) over USSR (some russian woman who hates democrats) yet most rep's from Hawaii are not in favor of Hawaiian Independence so you will not hear them echoing the fact that Hawaii should not and lawfully is not a state.
Notice I did not use the term LEGALLY.
I personally do not care as it makes absolutely no difference wether O was born here or on mars.
The left right ILLUSION has been dispelled.
I always thought the presidents were fascist puppets and those who do not go along with the plan, deviate from course will be reminded of who they serve which is why reagan did not feel any pain until he was shoved inside the car!
It seems like alot of theory ultimately collapses back in upon itself and the birther theory seems to have done the same yet I do not doubt the importance of the argument if indeed it truly mattered.
You probably misspoke here, but just wanted to make this point clear. The birth certificate was released several months prior to the election and Obama getting into office, not after.
Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
LOL, where did you get 3 years? His BC was released in June 2008. 6 months after he went into office!
Oh boy...
Originally posted by OverMan
Do you understand that Hawaii is not lawfully a state of the union?
Then stop raising false issues.
I personally do not care as it makes absolutely no difference wether O was born here or on mars.
Originally posted by abecedarian
Arnold Schwarzenegger is a citizen too. So, point being?
Originally posted by reeferman
reply to post by UcDat
what a joke.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/92a60d1d680f.jpg[/atsimg]
"ok really.. this time.. we totally know a guy who knows a dude who can verify that its true.. honestly.."
edit on 26-4-2011 by reeferman because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by maybereal11
Originally posted by Tephra
Sure, we're a bunch of babbling idiots....
I didn't say it...you did.
Originally posted by Tephra
You know what's nonsense, spending millions of dollars to cover up simple documents
You are right. That IS nonsense. Before you take WND as gospel, perhaps research the nonsense? Or does that get in the way of being a "babbling idiot"?
The Obama campaign paid thier attorneys around 1.7 Million over a 2 years campaign cycle and none of it, not a penny, has been linked to the "birthers" issue.
Originally posted by Tephra
Keep your disgusting unmerited attacks to yourself.
Good advice...perhaps reflect upon it?edit on 26-4-2011 by maybereal11 because: (no reason given)edit on 26-4-2011 by maybereal11 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Tephra
A very small percentage of people in the beginning were questioning his birth. (Me included)
-Their response was to release this questionable at best freshly printed certification of live birth.
According to the Department of Hawaiian Homelands:
Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification.
The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individuals birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person's birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.
So, a long-form Certificate has additional information on it that that is useful for genealogical purposes. However, both the certificate and the certification are certified government records providing prima facia proof of the information they contain.
Originally posted by Tephra
Keep your disgusting unmerited attacks to yourself.
Maybereal11: Good advice...perhaps reflect upon it?
I made a personal attack in this thread? Interesting interpretation.
Originally posted by Tephra
I'd love to know how you acquired this information regarding the breakdown of funds to Obama's legal team and how none of this money went towards this issue.
So the countless (we're talking 100+) lawsuits against him for this issue, even reaching the supreme court on at least one occasion hasn't costed Obama a penny?
Originally posted by Tephra
Look at it with some basic 5th grader logic:
Originally posted by userid1
Maybe I missed something. As much as I'd like to see Fox news make this admission - I just can't seem to find it ON the Fox news website. That would be a start...but even when I google it - I can't find anything except for websites and blogs - NO MSM sites at all.
Like I said, I'd really like for this to be true, but until I can see it picked up and actually covered by Fox, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, etc - I can't say I accept it. Does anyone have a link that falls into these criteria that I've missed so we can put this to bed?
Thanks in advance...
Originally posted by sepermeru
Originally posted by userid1
Maybe I missed something. As much as I'd like to see Fox news make this admission - I just can't seem to find it ON the Fox news website. That would be a start...but even when I google it - I can't find anything except for websites and blogs - NO MSM sites at all.
Like I said, I'd really like for this to be true, but until I can see it picked up and actually covered by Fox, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, etc - I can't say I accept it. Does anyone have a link that falls into these criteria that I've missed so we can put this to bed?
Thanks in advance...
I watched it live on FOX with my own eyes. It happened. No link, and I'm not sure why that is either, but it for sure did happen.
...and there's a video of it in the first post. Did you miss that, or are you suggesting Shep Smith is perpetrating a hoax?edit on 26-4-2011 by sepermeru because: edit button is my best friend
Originally posted by userid1
Not saying you didn't see it - actually hadn't noticed you mention you had. No, the issue is that it wasn't actually on Fox, but rather Media Matters (the post that is). Now, I personally have no reason to question Media Matters however, we've all seen the lengths some will go to to forge or otherwise alter pictures, quotes, and videos to hoax people, so it's prudent to apply the same standards of scepticism to both sides - no?
Just wanted to see if any of the other news outlets mentioned had picked this up...
edit on 26-4-2011 by userid1 because: (no reason given)
What’s more reasonable? That all the judges in the 80+ eligibility lawsuits that dismissed them for lack of standing are corrupt, or that they all came to the same conclusion considering the standing laws?
Originally posted by Tephra
Ah yes, lack of standing....the corrupt judges favorite weapon.
You should have read the opinions of the cases, because the courts explained this. The courts ruled citizens, voters, lacked standing because their alleged injury wasn’t particularized. This is one of the requirements of standing, and has been for decades.
Who has standing in such a matter if not a citizen of the nation this man presides over?
John McCain.
Who?
With one side not letting the actual facts, or laws, get in the way of their beliefs.
There is a plethora of issues with the evidence on both sides of the debate, but the simple fact which no one can deny.
Do you dispute that the certificate that Obama has presented reflects the information contained in the original records, as asserted by Department of Health officials?
Originally posted by schuyler
THAT'S what Obama has produced, a "certificate that a certificate exists." ... Nobody here trusts the government to tell the truth.
That might be a somewhat accurate characterization of a minority of people who believe Obama was born in the United States, like it’s probably a somewhat accurate characterization that some birthers are motivated by racism.
You don't believe ANYTHING the MSM tells you, yet CNN & Fox come out and say, "Obama is a citizen, period" and you reaction? "Oh,, OK. That settles that then." What the hell is wrong with you people?