.Gator in Woman's Bathroom....are we violating the rights of animals with overpopulation?

Human beings are naturally greedy, I can't believe the comments on here saying that we are not occupying too much territory. We cut down forests daily and build buildings in damn forests yet expect wildlife to stay away? I'm I insane for thinking that if you hang around a bee hive for long enough you're gonna get stung?

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ccponzi we see how badly people treat each other. sadly, people treat animals worse. there are an incredible amount of animal shelters across America, a small portion of them are no-kill.

go speak with someone who has logged in a few hundred volunteer hours at an animal shelter. many of these people have little respect left for their fellow humans after seeing what people do to animals on a regular basis. no need to go into graphic details. believe me, it is worse than you want to imagine.

the problem is even worse in our States that have a long time association with unemployment, illiteracy, alcoholism and spousal / family abuse. lack of education and awareness takes a terrible toll on these people and it is worse for the animals. these same States tend to have very few no-kill shelters, and are quick to kill strays. they just don't have the facilities, the money and the manpower to care for the little ones.

animal rights are slowly evolving. Judges have heard the pleas and read the letters from people who care, and animal abusers are starting to see prison time. hopefully the trend of stiff penalties for those who abuse, neglect and exploit animals will continue. I urge anyone who loves animals or who feels animals deserve proper care and treatment to please write to Judges and Representatives of their area. a nicely worded letter can carry a lot of weight.

while i'm not sure if we are harming animals & their right to life with human overpopulation, i am confident that mankind has been doing huge damage to animals and their ecosystems by forging ahead with construction projects that destroy the animals shelter & food sources.

i doubt that this will change soon. too many people are happy to accept favors & graft from wealthy real estate developers who care only about their profit bottom line.

the longer i live, the more i see, the more distaste and hatred i have for humans. so many people suck in so many ways, where to begin.

the Bible reads that God gave mankind domain over the animals He created. this is a great gift He gave to us. in return, how WE treat the animals is our gift to God.

To the OP. What a load of bull. The only rights animals have is to taste good and keep us warm.

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Why can't I beat an animal to death that I legally own? The fact I can be imprisoned for doing such a thing leads me to believe animals have SOME kind of rights.

reply to post by ccponzi


Exactly the point.

It's not nor has it ever been "overpopulation" unless we're talking about overpopulation of a specific locale. Build a city near a swamp and you're going to get a gator in your pool every once in a while. You can't expect to want to live anywhere without some encroachment from wildlife; people never give a crap about the animals unless they're higher up on the food chain or cuteness scale.

Ants, bees, wasps, roaches, mice, rats; All considered pests/vermin.
Deer, bears, wild canids/felines, birds; we're at fault.

We have the ability, through our technology these days to live just about anywhere on earth and whether we do that or not we will always be "encroaching" on some animals, because there are animals EVERYWHERE; so this whole discussion essentially becomes pointless.

And most of the earth is not "uninhabitable" indigenous and nomadic tribes have been living in so-called uninhabitable places for centuries. Just because you can't build a permanent dwelling with central air and a backyard garden doesn't make it uninhabitable.

For the record I don't think the gator should have been killed. Cruelty is horrible no matter what the creature.

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What rights, pray tell, do animals have exactly?

Right to life, liberty and security? If so, we must hunt down all lions and sharks; these heinous beasts do not respect the right to life, liberty or security of anything they are capable of capturing!

I'm sorry but rights only applies to humans as it is a human ideology. To extend rights to animals mean that we must punish animals that decide to violate rights of other animals. Are you going to penalize a grizzly bear that violates the territorial "rights" of a black bear?

Zeroknowledge had it perfect, " If your species understand the concept of rights - then your species deserves those rights."

Originally posted by JohnnyTHSeed
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Why can't I beat an animal to death that I legally own? The fact I can be imprisoned for doing such a thing leads me to believe animals have SOME kind of rights.

I can't beat the living hell out of my dog because its illegal. That doesn't imply that my dog has rights, it means the law punishes those that are unnecessarily cruel.

Yes, we're violating the rights of animals, and they're violating our rights. Why, you ask?

Because WE are animals too. It's called nature, and part of nature is Natural Selection.

In the end, one species always works out to dominate another; and I'd bet dollars-to-donuts that alligators will be around a LONG time after humans go by the wayside.

Originally posted by ReVoLuTiOn76
Sorry, while I don't condone bad actions towards animals, i must say first that animals don't have rights. And who said we are over populated. If you took everyone in the world, and had them stand in a 1x2 foot square, everyone would fit inside texas, so we are good.

In those terms, who says Humans have rights, I mean other than us humans, which is a bit bias? An alligator, or any animal for that reason has as much right to the planet as the next self proclaimed ruler of the world. Do I think hunting animals is okay? Sure. The food chain still applies in all forms of nature, but to say an animal has no rights (I.E. a worthless creature) is a bit.... well.... bold. Every creature is open to its place on Earth, yet we, as humans (able to adapt to any environment) feel the need to impose on the environments of those creatures who aren't quite as adaptive as we are. We put our towns and cities right next to the best water resources, we bogart all the resources, build roads to interrupt game trails, and then get upset when one of these "lesser" creatures dares impose on our land.
I saw a video once of a bear raiding a refridgerator. Why was he raiding that fridge? Because we've turned his habbitat into camp grounds where campers strip the mountains or scare away everything worth eating. That bear was later killed for trying to survive.
You commented that everyone in the world could fit in an area the size of Texas. So why don't we build a bunch of sky rises in one region, build our own "human habitat" (hell, we could make 2 or 3 around the globe, and leave the rest of the world to repair itself of our human induced damage, letting the animals have a little space to live?

OK...

Having lived for many years during my adolescence near the Everglades, this kind of thing happens not without frequency. I've heard mostly of snakes coming through faulty plumbing near canals or areas known to be populated with snakes, gators, and all sorts of other tropical things. Should I consider it a conspiracy that my cat used to catch and eat the geckos that somehow found their way into my college apartment? Cat overpopulation is certainly an issue!

Anomalous that this gator was this big, but they sleep under raised homes in that area all the time. Not a conspiracy.

Does the alligator have rights?

What about the lady that went fishing with 5 guys,and all she came back with is a big red snapper?

Does the snapper have rights?

Originally posted by ReVoLuTiOn76
Sorry, while I don't condone bad actions towards animals, i must say first that animals don't have rights. And who said we are over populated. If you took everyone in the world, and had them stand in a 1x2 foot square, everyone would fit inside texas, so we are good.

Simply not true.

Math time:

2 sq ft / person (1ft x 2ft)

7,487,608,550,000 (we'll say 7.5 billion for simplicity) total available area of Texas INCLUDING water in sq feet.

187,190,213,800 covered by water (estimate based on advertised 2.5% water coverage)
374,380,427,500 covered by buildings, too rough to stand on, etc. (based on 5% urbanization and inhospitable terrain

if any animal has the opportunity, it will eat you, and not spend much time considering if they violated your rights

and over population ? lets talk about ants !!!

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
if any animal has the opportunity, it will eat you, and not spend much time considering if they violated your rights

and over population ? lets talk about ants !!!

You want to talk about ants:

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Watch to see what happens when a gang of Green Ants crosses paths with a pack of Paper Wasps.
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Originally posted by ararisq
To the OP. What a load of bull. The only rights animals have is to taste good and keep us warm.

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Would you eat a cocker spaniel? Orientals eat dogs regularly. And cats!

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Yeah, I wouldn't screw with Animal Control. I've seen people go to jail for a long time for beating a dog or cat.

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You do know that the average house cat kills and eats more varieties of other animal life than do lions or tigers or leopards?

reply to post by eNumbra


Well, the bees are disappearing. And when the bees disappear, there goes pollination. When pollination goes, here comes mass famine of humans.

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Have you ever tried to wrestle an alligator. A Seminole Indian friend of mine tried to teach me how he wrestles alligator. He started me off with a small one. Not more than six inches long. The gator bit the hell out of me. I learned a valuable lesson about alligators: the bigger they are, the more rights they've earned from me.