The Hypocritical Christian

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by taccj9903

 

Well, to be quite honest, being born again doesn't mean you become perfect. Christians are still sinners, when we slip and fail and the Holy Spirit convicts us we seek forgiveness and try hard by the grace of God not to make the same mistake again. Since you've stated in the OP that you used to be a Christian then you should know full well that we will never get rid of our sin nature until we receive a glorified body at the resurrection. Being born again doesn't mean we never make mistakes, a honest Christian will admit they have done you wrong and seek your forgiveness.

Reply to first sentence: "But you are to be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect." -According to Matthew 5: 48, Jesus, the one whom you claim to follow, spoke these words...my question is, do you quite honestly belive him or do you think he meant to say "you should know full well that you will never get rid of our sin nature until you receive a glorified body at the resurrection"?
Reply to second sentence: “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’ -Matthew 7: 21-23
Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave of sin. A slave is not a permanent member of the family, but a son is part of the family forever. So if the Son sets you free, you are truly free." -John 8: 34-36
You said, "Christians are sinners". And yet you believe that if the Son sets you free, you're still a slave to sin, since everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Also I'm pretty sure that anyone, be they Christian or not, has the capability to feel guilty for "slipping and failing", and are also capable of hoping not to make the same "mistakes" over and over again.
Reply to last sentence: You referring to sin using the word mistakes makes it seem as though you, a holy spirit filled follower of Jesus, are left without a guide whom directs your path and leads you to righteousness. We are not meant to live a life of perpetually seeking God's forgiveness, we are expected to repent an act which doesn't involve being a sinner.

Originally posted by IAMIAM
Yes, I knew this my friend. How can anyone on this forum not know this? Since you bring up again, what do you think is meant by "Believe in me and you will never perish? "What does it mean to believe? With Love,
Your Brother

sorry slow response have been tending to other things

haha, yeah i know i know but assume there are always possible newbies and anynomous first time viewers or could have misunderstood/read or missed before?? (maybe not by you or other "everyday" members necessarily) as to what it means personally I've been from one extreme to the other and near everything in between I'm sure but since I don't do writing well nor like to, I'll just say that I have yet to distinguish certain aspects, one being-I only heard one individual mans voice, not like a small still one in my head mentioned in other scripts but like a real live person would have calmly said sitting beside me in reality yet in the book of Daniel it says -

the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.

and being I associate this with the abortion now, I'm convinced and that scripturally all human beings in general yet there are some other scriptures like "love protects""not by might but the spirit""my words are spirit""no murderer has eternal life""as in Adam all die""a new creation" etc. and also some things specially regarding a few details surrounding that woman that I've just recently come to know that stick out-

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction

the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe

even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.
Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

reply to post by Wonders


when you say "break Gods laws", what do you believe that is referring to specifically and did you notice the "Lord Lord"'s (-no Jesus mentioned) just boasted of "doing" things as justification?

But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made

For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect

be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Originally posted by Rustami
sorry slow response have been tending to other things

haha, yeah i know i know but assume there are always possible newbies and anynomous first time viewers or could have misunderstood/read or missed before?? (maybe not by you or other "everyday" members necessarily) as to what it means personally I've been from one extreme to the other and near everything in between I'm sure but since I don't do writing well nor like to, I'll just say that I have yet to distinguish certain aspects, one being-I only heard one individual mans voice, not like a small still one in my head mentioned in other scripts but like a real live person would have calmly said sitting beside me in reality yet in the book of Daniel it says -

It is your experience my friend, and you should proclaim it where ever the spirit moves you.

Originally posted by Rustami
the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.

and being I associate this with the abortion now, I'm convinced and that scripturally all human beings in general yet there are some other scriptures like "love protects""not by might but the spirit""my words are spirit""no murderer has eternal life""as in Adam all die""a new creation" etc. and also some things specially regarding a few details surrounding that woman that I've just recently come to know that stick out-

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction

the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe

even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.
Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

edit on 28-4-2011 by Rustami because: (no reason given)

Forgive me but I still do not understand what it means to you to believe. Maybe it is something I am not seeing. Maybe I am not asking precisely enough what it is I am after.

So, what does it mean to you to believe in Christ?

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


do you suppose the one who "had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself" is Christ yet indistinguishable from Jesus.. hence Christ Jesus? in another way notice how Saul was told he was persecuting Jesus? this guy may sum up better how I view these things

"The Father of Modern Genetics"
Dr. Lejeune explained that within three to seven days after fertilization we can determine if the new human being is a boy or a girl. "At no time," Dr. Lejeune said, "is the human being a blob of protoplasm. As far as your nature is concerned, I see no difference between the early person that you were at conception and the late person which you are now. You were, and are, a human being."

fetus
late 14c., "the young while in the womb or egg," from L. fetus (often, incorrectly, foetus) "the bearing, bringing forth, or hatching of young," from Latin base *fe- "to generate, bear," also "to suck, suckle" (see fecund). In Latin, fetus sometimes was transferred figuratively to the newborn creature itself, or used in a sense of "offspring, brood" (cf. Horace's "Germania quos horrida parturit Fetus"), but this was not the basic meaning. www.etymonline.com

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female

Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy.

who do you say Christ is?

Originally posted by Rustami
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female

Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy.

who do you say Christ is?

I AM



Always a pleasure my friend. Thank you again for your continued light on the matter.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by kinglizard

 

True, we have no righteousness of our own, we need Christ's. We're only justified before God by His shed blood.

"But I warn you--unless your righteousness is better than the righteousness of the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, you will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven!" -Matthew 5:20
To say that you have no righteousness of your own is false humility.

Matthew 25: 31-46
“But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit upon his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered in his presence, and he will separate the people as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will place the sheep at his right hand and the goats at his left.
“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’

“Then these righteous ones will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?’

“And the King will say, ‘I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!’

“Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons. For I was hungry, and you didn’t feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn’t give me a drink. I was a stranger, and you didn’t invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn’t give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’

“Then they will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?’

“And he will answer, ‘I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.’

“And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.”

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by kinglizard

 

True, we have no righteousness of our own, we need Christ's. We're only justified before God by His shed blood.

Revelation 22:12-15 -“Look, I am coming soon, bringing my reward with me to repay all people according to their deeds. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”
Blessed are those who wash their robes. They will be permitted to enter through the gates of the city and eat the fruit from the tree of life. Outside the city are the dogs—the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie.
Matthew 12:37 -"For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."

reply to post by IAMIAM


no problem and appreciate you and NYTypicals views as well (it all helps in the sharpening yeah?) and that you think it "light" though it's just a boat load of scriptures and maybe what I've seen and heard, until next time, adios

reply to post by Wonders

To say that you have no righteousness of your own is false humility.

No, it's the truth. I have no righteousness other than what's been imputed by Christ. He's the hero of the story, not me.

"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:


Romans 3:10"

I agree

Originally posted by IAMIAM
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

And if Jesus pointed to the moon, you would think Jesus' finger was the moon.

Red herring and irrelevant.

Still you worship the flesh, knowing not what that invisible spirit is.

Christ rose "bodily according to the flesh" from His tomb on the 3rd day, and the Father has given all worship to the Son.

Yes, I worship God the Son, Jesus.

Matthew 2:2 “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come TO WORSHIP HIM.”

Matthew 2:11 “And when they had come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary His mother, and fell down and WORSHIPED HIM.”

Matthew 14:33 “Then those who were in the boat came and WORSHIPED HIM, saying, Truly you are the Son of God.”

Matthew 28:9 “And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, Rejoice! And they came and held Him by the feet and WORSHIPED HIM.”

Matthew 28:17 “And when they saw Him, they WORSHIPED HIM; but some doubted.”

John 9:38 “Then he said, ‘Lord, I believe!’ And he WORSHIPED HIM.”

Hebrews 1:6 “But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, “Let all the angels of God WORSHIP HIM.”

Worship Jesus

That's ok though. When Jesus was spreading his message, the blind men known as Pharisees also said "You are not God!"

Cool, you're lumping your lot with the Pharisees who also rejected Christ's deity. How did that turn out for them??

reply to post by Akragon

I AM the root of the offspring of David...

No, Jesus didn't say that, He said "I am the root AND offspring of David."

Big difference, or in other words "Iam the root of David, and I am the offspring of David."

None of us can claim we are the root AND offspring of a relative 1,000 years prior to us in our family tree.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Even though I am non-christian and disagree with some of the most basic concepts of the Christian religion, I am finding that I am starring quite a number of your posts because I can relate to the statements you make. For example:

I have no righteousness other than what's been imputed by Christ. He's the hero of the story, not me.

reply to post by mysticnoon


Thank you for the kind words. But, I'd like to pass the glory onto my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

I was lost, now am found, was dead and now I live.

I really do appreciate your sincerity though, thank you.

Originally posted by Rustami
no problem and appreciate you and NYTypicals views as well (it all helps in the sharpening yeah?) and that you think it "light" though it's just a boat load of scriptures

and maybe what I've seen and heard, until next time, adios

The light I was referring to is not the scriptures, but the time of your life that you shared with us.

Adios mi hermano

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by IAMIAM
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

And if Jesus pointed to the moon, you would think Jesus' finger was the moon.

Red herring and irrelevant.

Still you worship the flesh, knowing not what that invisible spirit is.

Christ rose "bodily according to the flesh" from His tomb on the 3rd day, and the Father has given all worship to the Son.

Yes, I worship God the Son, Jesus.

Matthew 2:2 “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come TO WORSHIP HIM.”

Matthew 2:11 “And when they had come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary His mother, and fell down and WORSHIPED HIM.”

Matthew 14:33 “Then those who were in the boat came and WORSHIPED HIM, saying, Truly you are the Son of God.”

Matthew 28:9 “And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, Rejoice! And they came and held Him by the feet and WORSHIPED HIM.”

Matthew 28:17 “And when they saw Him, they WORSHIPED HIM; but some doubted.”

John 9:38 “Then he said, ‘Lord, I believe!’ And he WORSHIPED HIM.”

Hebrews 1:6 “But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, “Let all the angels of God WORSHIP HIM.”

Worship Jesus

That's ok though. When Jesus was spreading his message, the blind men known as Pharisees also said "You are not God!"

Cool, you're lumping your lot with the Pharisees who also rejected Christ's deity. How did that turn out for them??

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

reply to post by IAMIAM

The light I was referring to is not the scriptures...

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." ~ Jesus Christ

"But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince." ~ Daniel 10:21

"And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:" ~ Mark 12:10

"And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors. ~ Mark 15:28"

"And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. ~ Luke 4:21"

"When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said. ~ John 2:22"

"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. ~ John 7:38"

"Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was? ~ John 7:42"

"I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me. ~ John 13:18"

"While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. ~ John 17:12"

"They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did. ~ John 19:24"

"Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. ~ Acts 8:38"

"But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. ~ Galatians 3:22"




All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: ~ 2 Timothy 3:16

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

The light I was referring to is not the scriptures...

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." ~ Jesus Christ

Well if your God is a book, then I suppose you would not understand what I am saying.

reply to post by IAMIAM

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:but the righteous into life eternal.



"[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." ~ Romans 8:1

"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." ~ John 6:37

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." ~ Romans 10:9



The only judgment the believer goes to is the "Judgment Seat of Christ", which is immediately prior to the "Marriage Supper of the Lamb":

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." ~ 2 Corinthians 5:10

The Greek word for Judgment here is "Bhema", as in a judge at the Olympic games who gives either gold, silver, or bronze rewards.

Those who reject God's call for salvation go to the "Great White Throne" judgment after the millennial reign of Christ. It's a final judgment for the unsaved, and the Greek for judgment here means: "CRISIS", not Bhema, totally different word.

"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." ~ Revelation 20:11-12

If you didn't loath the scriptures so much you'd know these things and wouldn't make the mistake of bringing up two entirely different judgments separated by 1,000 years from each other.

Judgment seat of Christ VS Great White Throne judgment

The Bema Seat Judgement vs. The Great White Throne Judgement

Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

The light I was referring to is not the scriptures...

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." ~ Jesus Christ

Well if your God is a book, then I suppose you would not understand what I am saying.

No, my 'God isn't a book'. It's Jesus Christ.

Do you think a copy of "Romeo and Juliet" is William Shakespeare??