Koran-burning pastor Terry Jones jailed for refusing to pay a $1 'peace' bond

WE THE PEOPLE, of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Article I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

These rights we TRAMPLED to death yesterday !
This is just one more example, PROVING, it's time for WE THE PEOPLE to get involved in OUR government again. We've let the lunatics run the asylum for too long. VOTE ! or things like this will continue to happen.
VOTE and if your employee (representative) fails to perform his/her job, VOTE AGAIN and fire them ! We are not at their mercy, they are at OURS.

Stand United or die defeated.

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


Please elaborate...
I have no idea what it is you are insinuating...

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
reply to post by jfj123

 

Our government has gone against the constitution for wall street bankers too. Are they afraid of wall street extremists??

Our government is owned by wallstreet. They do what their owners/masters tell them to do.

reply to post by jfj123


However, there is a HUGE difference between bankers, and something like 20,000 misread muslims.. Would you agree? Do you REALLY think anybody is scared of terrorists?!?! ESPECIALLY the government... Come on now..

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
reply to post by jfj123

 

Our government has gone against the constitution for wall street bankers too. Are they afraid of wall street extremists??

Our government is owned by wallstreet. They do what their owners/masters tell them to do.

Isn't that what I just said?
??

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
reply to post by jfj123

 

However, there is a HUGE difference between bankers, and something like 20,000 misread muslims.. Would you agree? Do you REALLY think anybody is scared of terrorists?!?! ESPECIALLY the government... Come on now..

Of course the government is afraid of terrorists. Why else would they allow westburo baptist church to what they want but when it comes to one guy wanting to burn one muslim book, they flip out and try and stop him?
Comedy Central refused to let South Park show mohamad...why?

reply to post by littlesheep2011


I was pretty sure this guy was some kind of agent, and then I saw that photograph and I was reeeally sure.

Look at his body language. Look how it's almost identical to the cop standing to his left (our right) -- hands on hips, very confident, commanding, authoritative. Normally I don't hold with pseudo-scientific nonverbal-signal-reading systems, but some stuff is just basic, doesn't require any fancy assertions.

Everything about this guy just screams undercover to me, in that photo, and in his life. Three months ago I heard him on BBC radio sincerely explaining that he'd had a total change of heart about the Koran-burning, and would definitely never ever do that. Sure, people lie all the time, but they don't usually make such direct, clear statements, then reverse them without any comment on the previous claim. Something just doesn't add up with this guy.

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
reply to post by jfj123

 

However, there is a HUGE difference between bankers, and something like 20,000 misread muslims.. Would you agree? Do you REALLY think anybody is scared of terrorists?!?! ESPECIALLY the government... Come on now..

Of course the government is afraid of terrorists. Why else would they allow westburo baptist church to what they want but when it comes to one guy wanting to burn one muslim book, they flip out and try and stop him?
Comedy Central refused to let South Park show mohamad...why?

Ill let you in on a little secret. Something the government doesn't want you to know. Are you ready? Do you know who the government is truly afraid of?
US...WE THE PEOPLE.
Because if we get up off our butts and actually get interested in what our government is doing, they lose everything.
They lose their wealth.
They lose their power.
They only have what we allow them to have.
And maybe that's the biggest conspiracy of all time. Our employees have convinced the bosses that they are in charge and they get to make the rules.
Frankly, we should be ashamed of ourselves that we've allowed this to happen.

reply to post by jfj123


Is it fear or respect? We are taught that depicting The Prophet Muhammad is not something we do. South Park writers, don't give a damn about respecting ANYbody, maybe, just maybe comedy central does. Point is, when the whole cartoon controversy was going on in the east, how much American backlash was there really? How many attacks on America were a result? I mean a couple of "muslim organizations" wrote letters condemning the drawings but really, though. I'M not even scared of muslim extremists and they would consider me an "infidel" because I don't support murder of innocent people regardless of their faith. Come on now, be honest, the government is SCARED of terrorists?!? That's laughable.

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
reply to post by jfj123

 

Is it fear or respect?

fear.

We are taught that depicting The Prophet Muhammad is not something we do.

I was never taught that as it's not my religion.

South Park writers, don't give a damn about respecting ANYbody, maybe, just maybe comedy central does.

Comedy Central edited that episode (EP 201) out of fear and not respect.
If it were done for respect then why didn't they edit any of the episodes about other religions? There are many !

"Buddha was seen sniffing Cocaine in “200″ and “201″ while Jesus was said to be viewing Internet porn in the 201st Episode."
37prime.wordpress.com...

Point is, when the whole cartoon controversy was going on in the east, how much American backlash was there really? How many attacks on America were a result? I mean a couple of "muslim organizations" wrote letters condemning the drawings but really, though.
There were death threats against individuals at Comedy Central and to Americans in general.

I'M not even scared of muslim extremists and they would consider me an "infidel" because I don't support murder of innocent people regardless of their faith. Come on now, be honest, the government is SCARED of terrorists?!? That's laughable.

Then tell me why are they doing this because it's not about respect.

FEAR

But its creators may have gotten more than they bargained for with two recent episodes that satirized the Prophet Muhammad — one that elicited an ominous message from an Islamic group based in New York, and one that was censored by the cable network that shows it.

and here's the message

the “South Park” episode was criticized by the group Revolution Muslim in a post at its Web site, revolutionmuslim.com. The post, written by a member named Abu Talhah Al-Amrikee, said the episode “outright insulted” the prophet, adding: “We have to warn Matt and Trey that what they are doing is stupid, and they will probably wind up like Theo van Gogh for airing this show. This is not a threat, but a warning of the reality of what will likely happen to them.”

Mohammed Bouyeri murdered Van Gogh as he was cycling to work in the early morning of 2 November 2004.

what did van gogh do to warrant being assassinated ?

Mr. van Gogh, a Dutch filmmaker and a critic of religions including Islam, was killed by an Islamic militant in Amsterdam in 2004 after he made a film that discussed the abuse of Muslim women in some Islamic societies.

www.nytimes.com...

FEAR

Am I afraid of muslim extremists? Of course not ! They're cowards who attack women, children, the infirm and elderly. They won't confront their enemy face to face but hide in holes. They try and create fear to force people to conform to their beliefs.

The extremists need to understand the The United States of America will NOT be governed by them. They need to understand that their beliefs do not over ride OUR RIGHTS in our own country.

So the burning of a koran is not to insult any moderate muslim but to show the extremists that they will not control us through fear and intimidation.

reply to post by littlesheep2011


The guy is a tool, for sure.. but honestly this is a gross abuse of his personal rights as protected by the Constitution. If he wants to burn a book, he should be allowed, even if it offends people. If it causes some equally ignorant zealot to take retribution then obviously both sides are to blame.

The Liberal media though portrait Muslims as being unable to control themselves.. they don't blame them for bombing a car and crowd full of people.. "They were provoked by the no-body pastor 5k miles away!"

Yes, this is not about freedom of speech, what Pastor Jones is doing can be considered a hate crime under just about any definition.

Freedom of speech should only go so far, for anyone.

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
reply to post by jfj123

 

However, there is a HUGE difference between bankers, and something like 20,000 misread muslims.. Would you agree? Do you REALLY think anybody is scared of terrorists?!?! ESPECIALLY the government... Come on now..

You wouldn't be saying that if you had lost someone on 9/11, or in Oklahoma City, or lived in the Middle East, Spain, England, Russia, or any other country with a serious terrorism problem.

I have lived in England and seen the result of terrorism first hand. When I lived in England I had terrorism insurance on my car.

reply to post by babybunnies


If you can restrict any kind of speech, you no longer have free speech. It's an oxymoron .. "Oh we have free speech, but you can't say this, and this.. and this.. and don't say that.. "

Free my ass. I literally hate people like you.

reply to post by Rockpuck


I agree.
Freedom of speech is a great thing !
But sometimes it can be an ugly thing.

But who decides when it's great and when it's ugly?
If anyone get's to decide, then everyone loses their freedom of speech because the reality is, all speech will offend someone, somewhere.

That being said, we must protect all free speech whether or not we agree with it.

Your rights, their rights, and in the end everyone's wrong.

This isn't about rights, this is about the paradoxe of "Freedom" which is nothing more than an illusion that makes people feel like they have something to fight for. If you excercise one of your rights it will immediately affect people around you, and often times, negatively.

Should smokers be allowed to smoke in public places and force non smokers out or should the non smokers have the right to enjoy a smoke free environment and force smokers outside if they want to indulge? No, don't answer, just try and view this from both perspectives. ...This is a classic example.

But of course you have other ethical issues which does not affect other people yet they fight to have them revoked or to be kept illegal, such as Gay union, abortion, assisted suicide, etc. The list is extensive... the fact is, that there is no such thing as "Freedom" when you live in a society, rules are made up to maintain order. No political scientist will ever tell you that there is an ideal form of government, all governments are flawd, all judicial systems are flawd and this is the biggest flaw of all.

So what's the answer? Common sense.

It's something that is lacking and for the most part, because of religion. This one thing that is supposed to be good and pure and out of which comes so much evil and corruption. Common sense tells me that if God was there, in front of these people, he'd be very disappointed. If anyone tries and tell me that God condones violence then all I've got to say is that your god is the Devil.

There is no such thing as liberty, people need to learn how to respect each other, people need to be tolerant of people who don't think like them and they really really need to start using common sense.

It's a #ing book... burning it will only make it more likely they'll crash more planes in your buildings. Also, the book was bought at some point in time, burning it only means that another one will be purchased. Finally, the message that is left is not even remotely clear... people should read books, not burn them.

/rant.

reply to post by babybunnies


My brothers wife at the time died in 9/11. And I still fail to believe 9/11 was a terrorist attack anyway. So try again.

reply to post by Watts


Personally I think the man is an idiot who is inciting violence and endangering the lives of soldiers all over the world under the cover of religion. When in reality he is merely looking for attention. Is he an idiot? Yep. Should he be thrown in jail? Nope. I believe his actions fall under the protection of freedom of speech. But Karma has a funny way of coming back to bite you on the ass. Im sure he'll get whats coming to him eventually.

I don't see a problem here.

The prosecutors wanted a bond that would financially cover the potential extra police costs that would occur if Mr. Jones and his flock of knuckle-draggers turned up at the mosque, stirring the pot.

His application to protest got denied, and he was subsequently required to pay a $1 bond...


It makes me laugh when Americans pontificate about ''free speech'', considering that it's the exemptions to ''free speech'' that this guy has legally fallen foul of !