America's Being Nuked - Can We Together Stop the Madness Before It's Too Late?

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Not trying to shill for myself any but:

Originally posted by jadedANDcynical
reply to post by adeclerk

 

I feel like I'm talking to one of my children (mine wouldn't need this detailed an explanation), but here goes:

"Ballooning and relocation of fuel" and "Rupture of cladding-->releasing (fuel pellet) FP gases and fuel" are pretty clear and absolute statements that tell us that the Elvis has indeed left the building.

"Elvis" in the above quote references aerosolized fuel pellets (they use the term FP gasses)

Additionally:

Further, fromAreva's report dated April 1, 2011 (it's not a joke):

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/189645d44b23.jpg[/atsimg]

Direct link to 3.7MB zip file located at Cryptme.org's nuclear plant and WMD series of source documents.

I know, I know.

"It is currently unclear if release from fuel pool already happened."


There is still a large preponderance of evidence that highly radioactive materials were present in that plume of debris.

edit on 23-6-2011 by jadedANDcynical because: All joking aside.

And

Originally posted by jadedANDcynical
reply to post by adeclerk

 

No mongering here, just the facts:

GOSHI HOSONO, SPECIAL ADVISOR TO JAPANESE PM (Translation): At present there is damage to the bottom of the reactor container, we call this ‘core melting’ in English. Part of the nuclear fuel has fallen onto the dry earth floor and it's possible that it's still lodged there.

TETSURO FUKUYAMA, GOVERNMENT SPOKESMAN (Translation): Hot spots were found, meaning there were certain spots with very high readings of radiation.

Source

In Fukushima Dai-ichi NPS, Units 1 to 3 which were under operation automatically shut down at 14:46 on March 11. All of the six external power supply sources were lost because of the earthquake.

Hmm, what happened next?

Concerning Units 1 to 3 of Fukushima Dai-ichi NPS, as the situation where water injection to each RPV [reactor pressure vessel] was impossible continued for a certain period of time, nuclear fuels in each reactor core were not covered by water but were exposed, and led to a core melt. A part of the melted fuel stayed at the bottom of the RPV.

Unit 1-3: A considerable amount of melted fuel appears to have moved to and accumulated at the bottom of the RPV. There is a possibility that the bottom of the RPV is damaged as part of the melted fuel dropped and accumulated on the dry well floor (lower pedestal) of the PCV.

Source

But I suppose this is all nothing but fear mongering as well. Using your reasoning, we might as well close all of these threads and focus on the important topics, which would be... ?

I'm one of the many people who have been taking part in the mega Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake thread, and I can tell you that it is right ugly.

Since it is still ongoing, we are all unsure as to exactly how ugly it will get before things turn around.

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Typically, the particles will stay aloft until washed out of the air by rain or buffeted to lower altitude by turbulence, creating an unpredictable patchwork of fallout.

Oh choke!
You I assume are aware of the Halarptech rings and the scalar squares appearing in radar data on Weather Maps? .. and now there is more to add to the pot: ... (more than 9 days old)

My post with 3 videos on faux clouds:

Added to the Nano tech and other "dastardly" items in the Chem Trails (weather mod? or -*- !something more!) .. including it seems an engineered chromosome ... named appropriately enough ... HAC. ..designed for humans.

The rat is really looking unbelievably black now!!

This independent video shows that Canada is getting nuked too, by the looks of it. Lake Louise Alberta is straight north of Boise Idaho, and Boise was pulled after showing high readings. Two weeks ago Health Canada refused to let Newfoundland farmers test their soil for radiation. I have e-mailed the leader of the Green Party here, sent her tons of info and Elizabeth May has told me to get lost [Very nicely]. We have a spike in infant mortality on the west coast, but the top coroner will not do an autopsy. The silence continues. _javascript:icon('') I haven't heard a thing about Nebraska in a week. Did the water receed ? Hope I linked the video right.

Slightly off topic, but related.... It seems that ever since Fukishima America has been recieving more than it's fair share of radiation, even from our own facilities! Nuclear "Disasters" enacted around the U.S.! By Who's Design?

So, someone sees Fukishima as a God send, starts trying to complicate the nuclear nightmare by creating more nuclear threats here in America, Nation wide? Unaccountable terrorist agenda, or ptb depopulation?

s -n- f

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Highest Radiation Ever Detected At Fukushima: 10+ Sieverts An Hour
www.abovetopsecret.com...
by MidnightTide
started on 8/1/2011 @ 01:51 PM

A post of mine from the thread in response to Phage (puttin' 'em on boss, takin' 'em off boss)

Originally posted by this_is_who_we_are

Originally posted by Phage
10+ Sv/hr. Right.
Where is the source for that reading? It has to be a typo.

edit on 8/1/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Here's the source you requested:

Fatal Radiation Level Found at Japanese Plant
By MARTIN FACKLER
Published: August 1, 2011
www.nytimes.com...

The operator, Tokyo Electric Power, said that workers on Monday afternoon had found an area near Reactors No. 1 and 2, where radiation levels exceeded their measuring device’s maximum reading of 10 sieverts per hour — a fatal dose for humans.
www.nytimes.com...

reply to post by this_is_who_we_are

Greetings:

Thank you for what you do and we are quite happy you are on point; welcome aboard and watch your six... this could very well be unfriendly terrain with potentially unforgiving consequences.

Please consider this:

22 June 2011
Newspaper Reports Massive Fukushima Nuclear Radiation Testing Blackout In Canada

Following recent reports of radiation saturation doubling, private companies, government agencies and universities in Canada are refusing to get involved in Fukushima nuclear radiation fallout testing at any level.

The Canadian newspaper The Beacon is reporting that following recent media reports that radiation saturation has doubled local farms attempted to get their soil tested for nuclear fallout to be sure that the food that they are selling is safe.

Much to the surprise of the newspaper and the farmers private testing companies, government agencies and universities all refuse to test the soil or get involved on any level.

The newspaper points out that the refusal is particularly shocking following reports that [color=limegreen]Japan has admitted to covering up the amount of radiation released from the Fukushima nuclear power plant, now admitting to 100% nuclear meltdown in 3 nuclear reactors and a radiation release comparable to Chernobyl levels.

The Beacon says [color=limegreen]while no government radiation tests have been conducted, the Canadian health department insists that everything is fine and is there is no cause for concern.

Why does this sound familiar?

Health Canada says no worries
Farmers in Central Newfoundland who were open to having their land tested for radiation contamination, will not have this work done by government agencies and private companies in Newfoundland and Labrador.
(...)
In the June 2 edition of The Beacon, it was discussed how the release of radiation from the Fukushima plant in Japan could potentially be poisoning Canadian soil, and possibly central Newfoundland. [color=limegreen]Evidence from various radiation monitors and news reports have shown that it has become a worldwide issue, and given that the airspace is shared, Canada and the U.S. have been directly affected as well.

Even though local farmers have not tested their soil and water, Nita Abbott of LA Farms, near Gambo, expressed an interest in having her land tested to ensure they’re selling a safe product.

The newspaper contacted private testing companies, government agencies, and universities to inquire if they would consider testing local farms. All of them said they were not interested in getting involved at any level.

Health Canada also reported that everything is normal.

Even though no official testing has been done in central Newfoundland, Ms. Abbott speculated, “I guess they feel they don’t have evidence to take it further.”

Worldwide concern

Even though central Newfoundland is considered safe, reports by numerous media establishments have shown that radiation saturation has doubled recently. According to a CNN report, Arnie Gundersen, Chief Nuclear Engineer, said hot particles are showing up in North America.
(...)
Nuclear engineers have also been finding hot particles or fuel fleas, which can cause cancer, around the world.

In Tokyo in April, measurements indicated that there are about 10 hot particles a day, which is a high level of concern in what a normal person would breathe.

[color=limegreen]In Seattle, for instance, it went down to about five hot particles a day, which can lodge into lung tissue, the digestive tract or bone, and over time can cause cancer.
(...)
Media reports south of the border suggest that Japan was downplaying the severity long after people were being affected.

To this, Health Canada is insisting there is no cause for concern.

We feel that perhaps the time is now for concerned citizens to demand accountability from their respective governments.

Obviously, Health Canada and the US/EPA do not have the best interests of their citizens at heart.

The question is why?

Are not these agencies made up of caring, feeling, breathing individuals who share the same fate as we, the people?

Or, have they been deceived into believing that they will be a part of the "saved" ones and the radiation will not deform or kill them, their children, their children's children, etc.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch.

22 June 2011
CNN: "They lied to us:" Fukushima Radiation Release Comparable To Chernobyl,
100% Meltdown In 3 Reactors

...Michio Kaku: In the last two weeks, everything we knew about that accident has been turned upside down.

We were told three partial melt downs, "... don’t worry about it."

Now we know it was 100 percent core melt in all three reactors.

"Radiation minimal that was released."

Now we know it was comparable to radiation at Chernobyl.

And as far as evacuation, (we were told), 12 miles and that is it. You don’t have to evacuate more than 12 miles.

Now they find hotspots, 4 hot spots, outside the evacuation zone. 34,000 school children now have radiation badges when they go to school....

Finally, some coverage in the MSM... such as it is, but a lot of peeps watch CNN.

Fukushima ‘still a ticking time bomb’
(...)
CNN: As a reported within hours of the earthquake and Tsunami, with hours not even a day, there were already statements from the company (TEPCO) and International Atomic Energy Association (IAEA) saying there had been safe shut down of all reactors and we know now of course in the end that simply wasn’t true. But from the very beginning they were trying to tell us that this was a safe situation.

Kaku: Within hours of the accident we now know it was like the Keystone Cops.

People that are clueless, headless, just running around crazy, not knowing what to do.
We can now reconstruct that accident minute by minute, hour by hour and we can see this chaos that erupted in the leadership ability.

CNN: What is happening to the people that are working there now?

Kaku: Well, as you know, workers are getting sent in and they are getting a years worth of radiation within just 10 minutes at a time.

At Chernobyl 600,000 workers had to be mobilized. Each one going in for just a few minutes and each one getting a medal from Gorbachev.

CNN: This Will Be A Hundred Year Cleanup? How long with this take to cleanup in your view?

Kaku: 50 to 100 years.

CNN: And we are not there yet. We are not even to the point of talking about the cleanup yet because they haven’t stopped the reaction.

It is still happening.

Kaku: Clean up hasn’t even started yet. They are not even looking at getting to cold shutdown until next year.

Cold shutdown is when boiling stops. There is boiling water right there at the reactor releasing radiation into the environment and releasing radiation into gigantic vats.

CNN: How are they storing and disposing of this stuff?

Kaku: That is the killer (pun intended?) because we have all of these vats that are filling up now and they may have to dump it into the ocean again. At that point the Chinese, the Koreans, the fisherman they get up all in arms because there is so much damage [ to the reactor cores] that every time you put water (into the reactors to cool the fuel rods that are melting down) it just leaks right out again, highly radioactive, and it is filling up at the site right now.

CNN: So what do they do with it?

Kaku: Right now, they are just counting the gallons as they pile up desperately trying to bring more vats in but once they saturate they are going to have to dump and at that point it is another crisis.

Tepcospeak !

If one is truly interested in this particular part of this disaster, we have written about the thousands of tons and millions gallons of water being injected/sprayed/dropped - and thousands of tons and millions of gallons lost (?) misplaced (?) leaked out ?) - take your pick or add one of your own theories, as the numbers simply do not add up.

Check out the more than 1,000 page thread: Japan Declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

CNN: Lets talk about the radiation in the environment, in the atmosphere.

We have been told that it would be measurable but a miniscule amount on the US West Coast and around the world?

Is that true?

Kaku: It is still minimal around the world (based on what we are being told from government reported radiation readings). Most of the damage is concentrated within 20 to 50 miles of the reactor. That is where we have the hotspots, that is where we have 20 times normal amounts of (annual adult) radiation (limits) in school yards outside of the evacuation zone.

Kaku: But in New York City, (based off government released radiation measurements) you can actually see it in the milk. You can actually see it has iodine, 131, actually spiked a little bit in our milk in New York City, but it is very small.

CNN: Just even hearing that, though, even hearing that you can detect it, that there’s a catastrophe, the worst industrial catastrophe in history, we can see it in milk in New York, that’s frightening.

Kaku: That’s right. This could be the grand daddy of all industrial accidents topping Chernobyl at $200 billion, topping the Gulf Oil Spill at $15 billion, topping the Columbia and Challenger disasters out in space at about $10 billion.
This could be the world record holder for an industrial accident.

Kaku: Realize Chernobyl was one core’s worth radiation causing a $200 billion accident and it is still on going.

Here we have 20 cores worth of radiation.

Three totally melted, one damaged and the (rest in) spent fuel pools, 20 cores worth of highly radioactive materials.
...

Don’t be fooled though, it is not as if CNN or any other corporate media outlet is doing any real journalism here.

Throughout this disaster all the media has done is echo statements from US (EPA/FDA), JAPGOV officials and TEPCO, neglecting to do any real investigative journalism reporting stories that were so blatantly false and non-nonsensical because it was the "official story coming from the Government."

The MSM has lied to we, the people, and will continue to do so.

Now, one might ask, what are we, the people, going to do about it?

For those of us who think we are somewhat alone in our feelings on this nuclear insanity issue that has the future of humanity (as we now experience it) at stake, we offer this assessment from a poster on CNN.com Blogs.

GoneToPlaid

"Ticking time bomb" is correct.

If the melted cores do fully breach their containment vessels by literally burning their way through the bottoms of the containment vessels, then you can instantly have a situation where tons of molten core material hits the huge volume of water pooled in the bottoms of the reactor buildings.

The resulting explosion would obliterate what is left of the buildings and blow off the tops of the primary containment. It may be only a matter of time before this actually happens, and this is the reason why Kaku recommends the Chernobyl option of burying the cores with tons of boron, sand and concrete.

No, the reactors did not shut down immediately after the control rods were inserted. Inserting the control rods merely begins the weeks long process of eventually achieving cold shutdown. You need to do some research about nuclear reactors.

It is factually correct that the nuclear reactions have NOT been stopped. This is why far more radiation than was "expected" is showing up in the water filtration system which keeps breaking down.

In fact, it may be impossible to completely stop the nuclear reactions now that the cores have fully melted down into giant masses of molten slag since it is now impossible to moderate the nuclear reactions occurring at the center of the giant masses of molten core material.

And here is another view:

Swarming Bee Theory

I give Mr. Kaku a lot of credit for making a continued effort to speak openly about the situation in Fukushima.

What does it take to see, really. What does it take?

I cannot believe there are people on here who expect to be taken as representing a real viewpoint and are still, in the face of THREE core meltdowns, containment pools blown into the upper atmosphere, etc, persisting with the fallacy that because no one DIED this month everything will be ok.

It is nothing short of insanity to persist with this debate over the merits of nuclear fission used in applications like this.

Nuclear fission as practiced today is an antiquated technology, dangerous beyond measure, as in LITERALLY beyond measure. Some of the components of radioactive waste have a half life of 200,000 years, some 700,000 years, some more that that. Far longer than any administration in the history of our good country, that's how long.

It is remarkable to me that the rabid right wing tea partiers etc are always whining about the country swinging left.
The truth is it is money and power.

If we turn our attanetion of it; smoodfedswskjjwejjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjl wjk

A pound of plutonium could kill every human being on the planet.

And yet we continue to allow ourselves to be drawn into arguments with self-serving profiteers, people and corporations with no fealty to the US or to life in general, but rather to profit at any cost.

This highly organized miliitant faction of the US government in concert with the multi national energy cartel is working hard to have us believe this is actually a rational and reasonable alternative to aggressively reducing our current demand (like in Las Vegas counties for ex) combined with a solid commitment to alternative energy development.

It's nuts.

There really is no good reason to continue.

All plants should be immediately shut down and decommissioned.

The nuke plants shouid be scrapped.

Immediately.

How about it, "Nuke Team ATS?"

Obviously, TEPCO hasn't stopped the reaction(s), as continuously rising levels of I-131 indicate that there are uncontrolled nuclear reactions going in the melted cores and/or elsewhere.

Which may lead one to this question:

Considering that the boron additive utilized to moderate the fission process has a lifespan directly corresponding to the proximity to the radioactive material and the amount of materials being released, where are we on that timetable?

Specifically, has the boron reached the end of its lifespan and does the remaining "dead boron" accumulate and further hinder additional boron injections?

And an interesting comment from this poster:

Fukushima 'still a ticking time bomb' – In the Arena - CNN.com Blogs
majia nadesan

Hi Michael I'm glad you responded to my comment because it provides proof my comment was posted before being taken down by some sort of censor.

I'm reposting. Let us see how long it is up this time.

First of all, it is not at all clear that workers at Fukushima have not died. Read the article: Contract workers registered with TEPCO have mysteriously disappeared from the contractor’s employment records. Mainichi: "Whereabouts of 30 nuclear power plant subcontractors unknown: Health Ministry"
mdn.mainichi.jp...

Good catch!
We actually thought something was up along those lines and received some interesting comments here:

Second, there is considerable evidence of ongoing fission at the Fukushima plant reactors given the ongoing production of Iodine-131, which has a 8 day half life.

See Gunderson’s Fairewinds updates www.fairewinds.com... and Washington’s blog for an essay with citations on ongoing criticality georgewashington2.blogspot.com...

Third, spent-fuel pool #4 is an ongoing cataclysmic disaster. Building #4 was damaged by #3’s explosion and the spent fuel pool in #4’s attic was reported by the NYT to be cracked.

This pool is full of rods and is leaking water and was recently found to be 2/3 empty, meaning there was a high likelihood that the fuel rods were exposed.
www3.nhk.or.jp...

Fourth, de-contamination of the radioactive water has not gone well and has had to be stopped over and over because of various problems
www3.nhk.or.jp...
www3.nhk.or.jp...

Fifth, radiation releases continue to be very large
sankei.jp.msn.com...


“Estimates of the radioactive materials emitted double doors opening to the Fukushima No. 2 unit building 1.8 billion becquerels”

DISREGARD INDUSTRY TROLLS AND DEMAND TRUTH, TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY

Well said.

In Peace, Love & Light

tfw

Originally posted by thorfourwinds
reply to post by this_is_who_we_are

 

GoneToPlaid

"Ticking time bomb" is correct.

If the melted cores do fully breach their containment vessels by literally burning their way through the bottoms of the containment vessels, then you can instantly have a situation where tons of molten core material hits the huge volume of water pooled in the bottoms of the reactor buildings.

The resulting explosion would obliterate what is left of the buildings and blow off the tops of the primary containment. It may be only a matter of time before this actually happens, and this is the reason why Kaku recommends the Chernobyl option of burying the cores with tons of boron, sand and concrete.

No, the reactors did not shut down immediately after the control rods were inserted. Inserting the control rods merely begins the weeks long process of eventually achieving cold shutdown. You need to do some research about nuclear reactors.

It is factually correct that the nuclear reactions have NOT been stopped. This is why far more radiation than was "expected" is showing up in the water filtration system which keeps breaking down.

In fact, it may be impossible to completely stop the nuclear reactions now that the cores have fully melted down into giant masses of molten slag since it is now impossible to moderate the nuclear reactions occurring at the center of the giant masses of molten core material.

Observation:

Isn't it fascinating how we prioritize things? We drooled for weeks over the possibility of some nebulous disaster at CERN a while back during the Alice experiment, but when faced with the overwhelmingly obvious actual global nuclear disaster at Fukushima we go about our business as usual, oblivious. Spoon fed by the media and their handlers, we shuffle off this mortal coil one by one...

Some local trouble.

www.sierraclub.ca...
Canada being nuked too, and guess what? And our limits are more lax than yours. The boys from Chalk River even worked on the US Mahatten project. Chalk River had one secret meltdown in 1952 and another in 56. Both were dumped in the Ottawa River.

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Item:

Asahi: “Horrifying” That Fukushima Meltdown Equivalent To Almost 30 Times The Atomic Bomb Dropped On Hiroshima In WWII
August 13th, 2011 at 09:58 AM
enenews.com...

Professor’s anger at lawmakers creates buzz on Internet, SHUKAN ASAHI WEEKLY MAGAZINE, August 13, 2011:

[Emphasis Added]

[...] Tatsuhiko Kodama, 58, who heads the Radioisotope Center at Todai, was called to provide expert testimony before the Lower House Health, Labor and Welfare Committee on July 27. [...]

Besides being a doctor of internal medicine, Kodama is also an expert on internal radiation exposure. His background made even more shocking the testimony he provided in the Diet. [....]

Kodama explained the horrifying results of those calculations at the committee session.

“The equivalent of 29.6 times of the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima, or in terms of uranium about 20 atomic bombs, were released by the accident,” Kodama said. “While the remaining radiation from atomic bombs decreases to one-thousandth of the original level after a year, radioactive materials from the nuclear power plant only decrease to one-tenth the original level.”
enenews.com...

edit on 8/13/2011 by this_is_who_we_are because: typo

ETA: See the heated videos at the link. This guy's upset. And with good reason.

edit on 8/13/2011 by this_is_who_we_are because: eta

thebrokenelbow.com...
This is from 3/17 but relivant. I think with the disaster unfolding, it was overlooked.

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awesome! not been funny but I dont think the rest of the world would care if the US went down seen as around 60% of earths population hate america... i wonder why

www.youtube.com...
High radiation in Toronto Ontario, Canada....Way high.

Aug 20 St Louis Mo.

enenews.com...
Virginia nuke plant has lost off site power, since DC quake. They are on generators

www.youtube.com...
More radiation readings from our bud in Toronto, Ontario

Hey! Where did everybody go? Did we run out of brewski's? This crap is still coming you know.
A map of radiation spreading across the Pacific, and a Screen cap from the end.
www.asrltd.com...

www.youtube.com...
Our friend from St Louis found 133X background this time. Sept 14th.

A very good down to earth discussion on fallout from Japan hitting N. America.

www.youtube.com...
A very scary analysis of the North Anna shutdown a few weeks ago. This will cure anybody who think US nuke plants are run by more caring people than Tepco in Japan.