The Book, Like The Man Is A Fraud...The Undoing Of Barry Soetoro....

Also, Sinnthia... since you are such a literalist bent on qualifying everything, at least when it suits your shallow arguments, let's delve into the difference between Autobiographies and Biographies.

Autobiographies are written by the person who the book is about, Biographies are written by one person about another. If someone else writes the book, and I could care less what cute name you want to give them; "Ghost writer" or whatever, then the person who the book is about did NOT write it. That by definition is called a biography - perhaps even an AUTHORIZED biography. To market it as an "Autobiography" is disingenuine and a falsehood which makes the person a LIAR! Oh, but wait a minute... we're talking about Obama, a liar by nature - very fitting I suppose. Just another example of the liar-in-chief attempting to deceive. OH, and another example of his faithful flock attempting to change definitions to defend this loser!

Originally posted by Sinnthia
Openly admitting you did not read something and then choosing to draw a conclusion about what you never read based on a video from a man you never heard of is pretty much the standard birther MO. You know jacksquat about the "Reverend" or the book but you like the anti-Obama stuff he said and even though anyone genuinely interested can find answers to his "inconsistencies" you decide to just accept them as valid. I am sorry that I responded to the words you used.

I openly admitted that I hadn't heard him speak, nor read the book, because I am something that you aren't: honest in my discourse. And I never accepted what Manning said as valid or the truth. Read the original post, I prefaced my "conclusion" with "regardless of whether he turns out to be right". To those of us not hell-bent on stirring the pot, this implies that whatever I'm about to say isn't a conclusive opinion on the veracity of his claims, just an uninformed obersvation and opinion that the dude was funny, and does have some common sense objections about some things stated in the book.

So now i'm genuinely interested in answers to the "inconsistencies" and finding them as you tell me I can. Please, tell me, how do I go about trying to verify whether or not Obama actually slept on the streets the first night he was in NY?

Originally posted by kozmo
Also, Sinnthia... since you are such a literalist bent on qualifying everything, at least when it suits your shallow arguments, let's delve into the difference between Autobiographies and Biographies.

Autobiographies are written by the person who the book is about, Biographies are written by one person about another. If someone else writes the book, and I could care less what cute name you want to give them; "Ghost writer" or whatever, then the person who the book is about did NOT write it. That by definition is called a biography - perhaps even an AUTHORIZED biography. To market it as an "Autobiography" is disingenuine and a falsehood which makes the person a LIAR! Oh, but wait a minute... we're talking about Obama, a liar by nature - very fitting I suppose. Just another example of the liar-in-chief attempting to deceive. OH, and another example of his faithful flock attempting to change definitions to defend this loser!

"A ghostwriter is a professional writer who is paid to write books, articles, stories, reports, or other texts that are officially credited to another person. Celebrities, executives, and political leaders often hire ghostwriters to draft or edit autobiographies, magazine articles, or other written material. In music, ghostwriters are used in film score composition, as well as for writing songs and lyrics for popular music genres." - Wiki

Now, you were saying?

Originally posted by kozmo
reply to post by userid1

 

OH, thank you! Something else to add to the list - an uncanny knack to not be able to recognize sarcasm or place comments in context. Amzaing how you folks will rationalize anything to support this failure. He could whip it out, pee all over your face, tell you it was rain and YOU'D BELIEVE HIM!!!

Come to think of it, that is EXACTLY what he is doing!

Sorry, but if you think anyone here believes this idiot bluestar is capable of understanding sarcasm - you belong in the same intellectual realm as him. As for taking the comment out of context - you'd better reread the comment - then do something about your poor reading comprehension.

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Start here.

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by backinblack
But ghost writers usually don't write autobiography's..

Do you have other examples of autobiography's that were ghost written.??

Yes they do. All the time. To quote from the other thread you asked in...

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Sinnthia

 

BTW, how's your search going for other autobiographies written by ghost writers..
That will be interesting.

I did not realize that I was supposed to be looking for any. Is your google broken? Again, stunning ignorance of common facts!

Until recently public awareness of ghostwriting centred on books 'written' by celebrities, in particular autobiographies by politicians, entertainers and business figures who are either too busy - or textually challenged - to provide a text of the requisite coherence and polish.

link
This one was too easy. Did you ask in that other thread?

Charles Brifaut supposedly ghosted the 1851 memoirs of Lola Montez. Balzac concocted memoirs for one of Napoleon's chamberlains, the Paris executioner and the Duchesse d'Abrantes (1835). Less notable scribes manufactured the Memoires of Louis-Constant Wairy, Napoleon's valet (1830) and Memoires of Joseph Fouche, Duke of Otranto (1818). Alexandre Dumas used up around 70 'assistantes' (such as Auguste Maquet, whose unhappiness about rewards for work on The Three Musketeers and The Count of Monte Cristo resulted in an 1859 lawsuit), to manufacture first drafts that were then tweaked by the master and published in Dumas' name. HP Lovecraft ghosted for a range of competitors. Herman Klurfeld served as ghostwriter for columnist Walter Winchell over 29 years, often manufacturing four newspaper columns a week. Sociologist Robert Park assisted Booker T Washington in works such as My Larger Education, becoming "for all intents and purposes, for the time, a Negro, myself". Sanford Dody ghosted Bette Davis' 1962 The Lonely Life: an autobiography. Earl Conrad ghosted My Wicked, Wicked Ways, Errol Flynn's 1960 autobiography. More recently Dorothy Jane Mills appears to have been responsible for much of the output of sports historian Harold Seymour. Memoires of Joseph Fouche, Duke of Otranto

Geoffrey Hartman notes that employing a ghostwriter is an accepted status symbol in government and business. That was echoed by ghost Lucie Cave, responsible for Big Brother winner Jade Goody's 2006 My Autobiography.

Here is a fun one Sarah Palin’s ghostwriter raises questions

Was this ghost writer thing even in question? Seriously? By you?

Please educate me on how an industry famous for using ghost writers to tackle politician "auto"-biographies, how is it rare?

Here is a treat for all you righties out there.

The autobiography "Ronald Reagan: An American Life" was ghosted by Robert Lindsey.

Rarely happens huh?

“Learning to Sing”, the autobiography of American Idol star Clay Aiken, was written with ghostwriter Allison Glock

link

The autobiographies of Doris Day and Sophie Loren were written by A.E. Hotchner.

I can do this all day so I hope you get lots of stars for even suggesting this is something that does not happen.

You are my favorite poster on ATS by far. Too much fun!

Do a little studying. I will give you some time to read FACTS and familiarize yourself with the reality that exists in the real world and not just what you decide a ghostwriter should mean to you. Then when you get the facts and reality and stop all the personal attacks, perhaps we can have a discussion. Clearly you do not work in the publishing industry. The people linked above do. They use the word AUTOBIOGRAPHY so I guess the only thing you can do is use your publishing expertise to argue they are wrong. Or you can admit you were wrong. Those are your two choices. An honest person will pick one of them. What will you do?

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JUST made up? This "theory" has been floating around since 2008. This is 2011, so it could not possibly be JUST made up. Google "Ayers was ghostwriter for Obama's book" and you'll get a plethora of hits dated October, 2008 or thereabouts...
I'm not sure what Pastor Manning's agenda is, but I, for one, will continue to monitor him in the hopes that eventually I'll figure it out...

Originally posted by dontdrinkthewater
I openly admitted that I hadn't heard him speak, nor read the book, because I am something that you aren't: honest in my discourse.

Cool. You back up that personal attack or see if you can figure out which point your post lost my interest.
Good luck with that.

Originally posted by Habit4ming
reply to post by dereks

 

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JUST made up? This "theory" has been floating around since 2008. This is 2011, so it could not possibly be JUST made up.

Being 3 years old make a rumor no longer made up? Or are you just using "just" as in, very recently instead of to mean simply relegated to? Either way, it is MADE UP.

Google "Ayers was ghostwriter for Obama's book" and you'll get a plethora of hits dated October, 2008 or thereabouts...
I'm not sure what Pastor Manning's agenda is, but I, for one, will continue to monitor him in the hopes that eventually I'll figure it out...

Google lizard people and tell us what you find.

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Nice and thank you! I apparently comprehend a bit more than reading, unlike others. I am very familiar with Bill Ayers comments on the matter, more familiar apparently than others. It's called "Context"... when a comment is quoted, it is very different than the written word, it was spoken and placed in written form. Mind shattering concept for some I am sure.

Bill Ayres clims to have writin Obamas "Autobiography"

Evidence continues to mount that Barack Obama had substantial help from Bill Ayers in the creation of his 1995 book, Dreams From My Father, a book that Time Magazine has called "the best-written memoir ever produced by an American politician." The evidence falls into five general categories, here summarized.

www.americanthinker.com...

SAme bill ayres?

Ayres is Distinguished Professor of Education and Senior University Scholar at the University of Illinois at Chicago, and founder of both the Small Schools Workshop and the Center for Youth and Society.

He also spent the 1970s as a fugitive from justice, as a member of the Weather Underground, after the domestic terrorist group, preparing to attack an Army base, accidentally exploded a Greenwich Village townhouse killing three of their own members. Ayres later married feather Weather Underground member Bernardine Dohrn, then on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List.

blogs.abcnews.com...

substantial help from a terrorist and ghost writing are NOT the same thing...
well Bush had Bin Laden to help him....
ooops
what was I thinkin
that was help to read upside down....

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by backinblack
I'm not seeing it...
Bankers got their bailouts..
Military Industry got their wars..
Citizens got an updated Patriot Act and increased involvement of Big Brother..
The middle class is being destroyed along with the $$$

so what is it that he isn't doing for them??

There is definitely something you are not seeing here.
The bank bailouts came on Bush's watch.
The wars were started on Bush's watch.
The Patriot act was a gift from Bush.
The Bush fiscal plan put the economy where it is for the middle class.

Be he was all American and Barack must be an ilegal usurper from Kenya right?

Sorry,had to chime in.

The bailouts CONTINUED under Obama.
The wars CONTINUE under Obama.
The Patriot Act is being ACTIVELY used by Obama.
Obama Added More to National Debt in First 19 Months Than All Presidents from Washington Through Reagan Combined.

Both Presidents ,and the ones before them brought us to this tipping point. If you are going to shill for Obama,at least get your facts straight.

Whats "illegal" is why you're not angry about this?????

Hope and Change,but NO change in sight.Thanks for voting for him.

Originally posted by Sinnthia
reply to post by Xatnys

 

I have no problem believing the books were actually written by different people.

Ghost writers are far more common than most people would even begin to imagine. That being said.

Absolutely! I used to work at a publishing company.

I know of a couple well known books - - that was suggested to me - - not written by the official author.

Ghost writer or very involved editor. Not that much difference.

Good morning/afternoon.

The trolling for intemperate responses, and the thinnly veiled personal attacks will cease, right now. If you can't discuss the issue without resorting to both these tactics, maybe you should step away for a little while...

No more.

A favourite book of mine from my grandmother's Library is 'Beautifu Joe' The autobiography of a dog. It was written in the first person, and so from when I was very young I knew the difference, as dogs cannot write.

IMO, Barack obama is a plant. There are too many things that don't fit and I cannot 'source' them all as this is 'off the cuff'. He did NOT go to Columbia U. He and his wife recinded their lawyer's 'papers'....must be something illegal there. his Kenyan grandmother says he was born in Kenya. There is no record of his mother's birth or death, let alone his birth, and I don't know where to look for his father's birth records, as who is his father? Is it BHO. Sr or Frank the paedolphile and pornographer who impregnated his (Barry Soetoro) mother in a threesome activity for one of his files.

Her nude pictures are online. There is no record of her death but there are records of money laundering, by Madelyn Dunham, Ann Dunham and Barry Soetoro.

Osama Hussien Obama Sr. was left with amputated legs, via CIA, and the later killed in a car accident. What was going on?

Madelyn Lee Dunham, grandmother in HI, signed for a birth certifiacate for Obama Jr., as his Grandmother but the certificate said, Born in Kenya.

Obama Jr. Came from nowhere and is a plant, a CIA asset, a spy.......................................

There is so much crap going on that no one really knows where to start looking.

Oh ya, "Sunny boy", really might have an American father, Frank, the paedolphile/pornographer who took the nude picture of 14-17 yr old Ann Dunham....the preisdents's Momma who might still be alive and using another name? and she might still be laundering money under the alias of Patricia Ann Dunham.

This MUST end! It's ludicrous and childish for adults to behave this way.

Originally posted by canadiansenior70

This MUST end! It's ludicrous and childish for adults to behave this way.

edit on 9-5-2011 by canadiansenior70 because: (no reason given)

Agreed!
I am a bit confused - do you actually believe all that spite you're shouting?
Vicky

yes
and I was expressing an opinion, not shouting1
thank you!

Originally posted by canadiansenior70
yes
and I was expressing an opinion, not shouting1
thank you!

Obviously you don't get my wordplay...* I was trying to avoid censorable words. Let me re-phrase :
"Do you really believe all that #e you're spouting?"
Vicky
* Not original with me - it's something the British comedian Alexei Sayle said to a heckler at one of his gigs and I quote:
"I'd rather be up her spouting #e than down there shouting spite"

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Since I don't swear, I don't know what you are saying! Just toddle on your way, little one, as it appears this thread is finished anyway.