*2PAC*,Killed to Silence his Voice???..Was planning to speak out against Illuminati?

I guess there could be illuminati running the music industry making millions sending out there knights like Sug Knight to collect songs by paying a crackhead $500 to sing a number one hit into a microphone that they make millions on because it was a number one hit. Music does seem to be more heart felt from the streets then from a board meeting. How many singers have there music destroyed by being made into something else because the board members said they had to change there music to fit there new image.

I know this is going to be unpopular with many of you but...

I think Tupac pissed off the wrong gangsters and got handled accordingly.

After listening to his lyrics, he is nothing more than a hustle. He'll say whatever will sell records, and it eventually led to his death. I am in disbelief that so many people think highly of him--rap is a hustle. It's the same thing over and over said by different people intended on contributing to the cycle that is African American 18-35 demographic culture that is so deadly in the US.

There are so many good poets out there, Tupac isn't one of them, IMHO.

I don't see the insight in music, never have. I always thought he was just another gun-toting, female degrading, trash talking wannabe thug. He was 5 feet tall and wished he was 7...

At least that's what I got from his music.

And how far did that get him?

Exactly...

reply to post by Tharsis


So in other words, you're yet another person who actually knows absolutely nothing about the situation, and are deciding that everything you need to know already exists inside your head. You don't have to do anything hard like read books or research, you just listen to some lyrics and you know everything about everybody, right? This is what's wrong with the world. People like you. People who think they can declare they know something without ever making any effort to learn anything.

But hey, all you have to do is declare that your ignorant nonsense will be "unpopular", as if that somehow makes it informed, interesting or at all meaningful. Right? I guess all you really cared about was showing off how awesome you think you are, with your total lack of real information or wisdom. Okay, we're all impressed with what a rebel you are. Your medal's in the mail. I'm sure you feel nice and cozy in the knowledge that your ignorance will remain untouched because you have already made up a fancy excuse for never having to learn anything or listen to anyone else.

Originally posted by jonibelle
Why is no one able to accept the fact that he got killed because he messed around with the "wrong person".
Why does there have to be a conspiracy wrapped around everything?
He beat up a gang member, then the gang member came back and got revenge. done and done.

This shows me that you know nothing about 2Pac's death, therefore you should not be posting a comment as if you know what happened.

There are many "coincidences", not just with the shady police reports, or with Sug not being killed, or with his drastic change in subject matter before death, or with his speaking out against Illuminati... it is not that conspiracy theory is wrapped around everything. It's that conspiracy theory is hiding in plain sight. The thing that makes it conspiracy is that it is made to look like there is no conspiracy. Coverups.

reply to post by gdaub23


I agree with this. tupac had much wider audience than alex jones. I dont think we will see anyone like pac or lennon and the like make it big for a long while with all this x factor crap. And you have to be good looking and cover a song to make the charts in this day and age.

But I don't think that he was battleing the illuminati or ready to out them. He would have never known who they were. He had no idea of anything passed Sug Knight. Now who helped Sug Knight write a contract that was iron clad that said he got all rights to the music for $500. Or did Sug just change the totals of payment to get rich? Sug seems more of a mob ruler than a illuminati. And 2PAC was just taken advantage of because he had one thing on his mind. His next high. But someone from the music industry did take a bunch of the street thugs and showthem the ropes. Just look at NWA and the people who were in that group. Jerry Heller, Jewish Defense League, Mike Klein were all in together with money laundering and dealing in drugs.

reply to post by Tharsis



Your post is offensive and it shows you hear alot but you 'listen' very little.

I think Tupac pissed off the wrong gangsters and got handled accordingly. After listening to his lyrics, he is nothing more than a hustle. He'll say whatever will sell records, and it eventually led to his death. I am in disbelief that so many people think highly of him--rap is a hustle. It's the same thing over and over said by different people intended on contributing to the cycle that is African American 18-35 demographic culture that is so deadly in the US. There are so many good poets out there, Tupac isn't one of them, IMHO.

I respect your humble opinion. But allow me to shatter its fragile foundation with FACTS.

You have the completely wrong idea about this individual. He was the total opposite. I don't know of any rapper/activist to not only write poetry (A rose from the concrete), but to write plays as well. Please tell me what is the definition of an artist. His music is like 1/100 of what he had to offer to humanity. He was very "aware" of the things that are taking place.
Rap is a hustle your absolutely right, but Hip-Hop is a culture that is coincidently leading the whole entire world.
It is the freedom of expression, coupled with the rage will all have from being misinformed and lied to. It is waking everyone up. He is not known and remembered for being someone that contributed to the cycle, He is known for being the only Rapper/Individual to go against the grain and as far as I'm concerned he is the ONLY individual that was able to articulate and express our struggle in such a way that even skinheads and neo-nazi's gave tupac respect and they admired his courage and his work when he was falsely imprisoned.
There are some things that people should keep to themselves, and an opinion that is based entirely off of emotion, is one of them. I could go on and on but this quote.......its self explanatory.

Here is a quote from tupac - Keep your head up

I wonder why we take from our women Why we rape our women, do we hate our women? I think it's time to kill for our women Time to heal our women, be real to our women.

Where did it get him?????? That is so arrogant and disrespectful, but I respect your opinion at the end of the day. I can answer this two ways, He is in a better place, you know with Dr. King, and all the other Great American Heroes, away from ignorant people that tend to put everyone in a box. Or you can say that it got him, world-class recognition and from his work, he is known as legendary poet and a brilliant American Man on all of the continents that have human life.
Peace and Bless

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Originally posted by Kingbreaker
reply to post by gdaub23

 

that's a reach, comparing tupac to MLKjr , the latter had a real message, he had a real motivation, and he succeeded. If anything tupac was a genius in marketing, setting himself apart from all the others in the same genre. if he had/would have had an impact on society, it would seem short lived my friend, much like his life.

tupac is dead, and he died playing the game. hell KRS-one was the real pioneer on all these things tupac talked about, but hes still around. KRS-ONE wiki

KRS-ONE = Knowledge Reigns Supreme Over Nearly Everyone

Thank you mentioning KRS-ONE, he was speaking out on the establishment long before many others and to me does not get the respect he deserves.

As for Pac? I do think he was murdered (not assassinated) because of him getting ready to jump labels, Suge Knight was nothing but a thug and tried to run over many on his way to make money.

reply to post by daikaiju


I agree with you guys but you are stretching. KRS is the pioneer, and he had a head start. He was out way before pac. With that being said look at how much impact Tupac made with his first 3 albums compared to KRS(not taking anything away from anyone and not to mention the first platinum double cd). But Tupac had something different to offer which is why everyone(different cultures) knows of pac and not KRS. KRS is like a hidden gem and he is the pioneer and he is still teaching to this day. Peace to both of those wise men.

You want some truth on this matter... watch this...

Explains the truth while 2pac was took out, Amazing knowledge. The truth will set you free

reply to post by gdaub23


Do you know what is happening right now, I asume you don't?

You are making somekind of prophet of a guy who calls himself tupac? So I guess that in the late future nobody know prophets like Mozes, Jesus or Muhammed anymore but that they are being replaced by tools like: Elvis, 2Pac and Michael Jackson.

All part of the "dumbing down" society, and you thought you where smart with your little story about somekind of gangster rapper? Guess what, you are falling right into the trap !!

History repeats, only it becomes more dumber.....

Well lets look at the present example. Wyclef Jean he created a donation racket to help Haiti and spent the money on his Manhattan recording studio and then said any of them that comes to his studio in Manhattan can record for free. He paid himself hundreds of thounsands to sing a song about Haiti. Then he spent more of that money to try and run for president of Haiti. So is he illuminati? Or is he a con man ripping off people?

reply to post by notimportant


tupac was an actual person and not some made up biblical fairytail...im sorry,i know they say that people like moses and jesus was real but I dont buy it one bit...just prophets started to better the story of the bible and add to the christain propaganda

reply to post by gdaub23


Why are you starting about the bible? It seems you are stuck somewhere, let me explain myself:

The reason I mentioned those "figures" is because of it are story's telled by people, written down years after they have been told. Same story by Tupac, he's been shot, first it was somekind of gangwar thing, next it was a plot, next it was a plot of the illuminati and the rumours start that he will return. Looks to me like somekind of biblical sttory, but again "twisted in words". Same story about Elvis, MJ, John Lennon. They are all getting somekind of prophetic status.

I'm not here because I'm somekind of evangelist (I'm not), but I believe that there is some hidden knowledge in the holy books of EVERY religion. But it is all masked or twisted, which is good, because it is only (and has to be) avaible for those who are enable (or in simpler but more straight words "far enough") to "see" it....

You are clearly not ready for it yet, you are to busy investigating thing which absolutly don't matter, something which will distract you from the real deal. And it seems to me that you are the "typical I don't wanna know anything about religion and their origins" guy, if you continue doing this you will never reach the so called "enlightment".

Good luck thinking about it, tupac and all those other deceased/murdered popstars are not important, it is all to distract you from the real thing what is happening...

You know what forget it. Tupac is dead. He was killed because he was trying to imitate the thug persona which he built up for himself. I mean before rapping he was an actor and also a background dancer for the digital underground. Yes the "humpty dance" group. He was an intelligent man and he made a great persona for himself. He got caught up trying to imitate his art and paid the ultimate price.

I hate to break it to everybody but this If your famous in music then the Illuminati runs your life is BS. I know a couple of people that have reached that upper echelon and its just not the case. I also know since I'm not going to name names and produce a slew of e - mail addresses, phone numbers, pictures and videos of me with these people that I am going to bi disavowed by some and that's fine I would probably feel/think the same if someone else made this claim, however its not my place to put other peoples privacy at risk to appease anyone else especially over a topic such as this, which truly has no bearing on the world.

And as far as the There was so many strange circumstances. It happened in Vegas the most corrupt city in America and possibly the world. I mean money is the root of all evil and with enough of it (usually far less then what most think) you can do or make just about anything happen.


Now do I believe he was murdered yes, and for what reason. Money. Sorry everyone but sometimes the simplest explanation is the right one. Remember not everything is a conspiracy.


In closing the guy pictured below doesn't look like he was going to change the world imo. Although he did make da*n fine music.







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reply to post by TrowaBarton


Trowa, honestly you should have stuck to your guns.

You're trying to talk sense into some who barely have a full grasp of the Illuminati concept themselves, nevermind be able to discern whether or not pac had some insider knowledge of it.

You're in a losing battle, just my opinion there.

reply to post by alphabetaone


I know. I just got too hungry and had to take the bait. . You are right though. I set myself up for a lot of crap witht that last post. Whatever though. I know what I know and at the end of the day I'm cool with that. This is exactly why I hardly ever post outside of BTS. I just use ATS almost strictly as a search tool & information trove and when I do post in here I try to keep it more on the informative/fact rather than the debate/opinion tip.

Trowa

reply to post by TrowaBarton


Yea, it's a tough battlefront often....sometimes I'll take a couple year reprieve to, oh I dunno, go save the world, and come back and find that the battlefield has changed, but the soldiers are all exactly the same.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


Kurt Cobain was a douche? you should be ashamed of yourself, and you give people who listen to Phish a bad name...each one of the boys would tell you the same thing if they saw that ignorant comment...you should change your name and your avatar so as not to make others think that people who like Phish are the real douches...