Cops knockin'? Wrong Address? Shoot your dog and let him suffer unattended for 3 hours?

reply to post by Jakes51


in respect to my comment about "why is it on the owner to control her dog" meaning on her property,as with my dogs...i let them roam in my garden,and if anyone climbs my fence,or enters my property who looks a threat,they will growl as a warning,which i'm speculating may well of been the case here,as there are no claim's of the dog physically attacking the officer to warrant the murder of the dog,and then to in-humanly leave the dog to slowly die in pain.

the officer should be relieved of his duties immediately for assessment,for his trigger-happy mentality,and is clearly a danger to the general public.

Ive been searching for reports of armed citizens who go around shooting dogs and cant find anything comparable to the high scores and absurd excuses cops have built up.

In the few cases I have found it was a shot fired, dog fell, and immediate care was attempted.

Seems when a CCW holder fires in defense of self it is with necessity and even empathy and concern for the target after the fact.

When a cop does it it's followed by posturing, excuses and attempts to justify the act and clean the scene.

reply to post by CastleMadeOfSand


Thanks for the kind words. I guess you do not see the situation as I do. That is fine. Allow me to explain further, if I may. Lets set the record straight, I was making my assertions from the information provided in the article and my own knowledge of the breed. In no way was I trying to be contradictory on the subject, but trying to look at it rationally.

Now, the officer showed up unannounced to serve a warrant. To my knowledge, they don't usually give forewarning of their intent to deliver such things? They noticed the warrant was in error, and were sorting it out amongst themselves. From what I gather, he may not have known about the animal at first? When he noticed it, that is when the concern arose. I take it, this must have been the front yard? In that case, the animal should have been enclosed, or leashed. Was there a sign stating a dog on the premises? We don't even know if there was a fence? These things we don't know?

Mail personnel show up announced, the person delivering the newspaper, and people selling something. People show up to homes unannounced all the time. It is the homeowner's responsibility to ensure the safety of others in the vicinity of their home or when going to their front door. It was a knee-jerk reaction from the officer, but I don't believe he showed up to that house with the intent of killing their dog. I have spoke out quite often on ATS about police brutality, corruption, and other heinous acts; but this one does not cut the mustard. It was an accident. I see no malice or criminality in it. That may change if more information comes out about it.

reply to post by Jakes51


your defense of this officer is febal to say the least,this officer has proven from the moment he step on this lady's property of his incompetence.

I'm not anti-cop.

But the more we see these kinds of stories the less the police will be trusted when TSHTF.
They may even become targets outright. And they will only have themselves to blame.


To the Police out there, STOP protecting the crooks among you. Stop thinking that you own
the streets and everyone on them, or you'll get owned yourself one day.

Originally posted by Jakes51
reply to post by CastleMadeOfSand

 

Thanks for the kind words. I guess you do not see the situation as I do. That is fine. Allow me to explain further, if I may. Lets set the record straight, I was making my assertions from the information provided in the article and my own knowledge of the breed. In no way was I trying to be contradictory on the subject, but trying to look at it rationally.

Now, the officer showed up unannounced to serve a warrant. To my knowledge, they don't usually give forewarning of their intent to deliver such things? They noticed the warrant was in error, and were sorting it out amongst themselves. From what I gather, he may not have known about the animal at first? When he noticed it, that is when the concern arose. I take it, this must have been the front yard? In that case, the animal should have been enclosed, or leashed. Was there a sign stating a dog on the premises? We don't even know if there was a fence? These things we don't know?

Mail personnel show up announced, the person delivering the newspaper, and people selling something. People show up to homes unannounced all the time. It is the homeowner's responsibility to ensure the safety of others in the vicinity of their home or when going to their front door. It was a knee-jerk reaction from the officer, but I don't believe he showed up to that house with the intent of killing their dog. I have spoke out quite often on ATS about police brutality, corruption, and other heinous acts; but this one does not cut the mustard. It was an accident. I see no malice or criminality in it. That may change if more information comes out about it.

An accident? Really?! The officer shot the dog intentionally, not by accident. It would be an "accidental" shooting if the gun accidentally fired, or if he had tripped and the gun went off. That's not what the article says. Sounds to me like he didn't wait very long before he shot the dog. The woman says he didn't give her enough time to grab the dog.

While giving people a warning about dogs in your yard would be a considerate thing to do, there's no law stating you MUST put up a warning sign if you own a dog on your property. Let's keep in mind that the dog is being kept on PRIVATE property. By setting foot on private property unannounced, you risk certain things. You have NO right to kill MY dog on MY property, unless the dog is literally attacking you and you're fighting for your life. Was this dog vicious? Maybe the woman's neighbors, her mail man/woman or any number of people who show up on her front door could attest to the dog's attitude. Maybe we should talk to them.

Frankly it seems to me that the Cop was a grade-A Ar$$hole who not only didn't bother double-checking the address before he went in, but then shot an animal and allowed it to suffer for 3 HOURS! I can accept that people make mistakes (in regard to the address mix up), I can accept that someone is so afraid of dogs that they feel threatened even by the dog's stare and overreact, but I CANNOT accept the fact that this horrible excuse for a human being let the animal suffer slowly!!! That's just simple cruelty. By exhibiting such a high level of a lack of compassion, it tells me that this guy does what he wants to do when he wants to do it under the protection of his police uniform, and he has no regard for life. He exhibited ZERO mercy, he didn't apologize, he made excuses to justify his horrendous behavior. I wouldn't want this dirt bag policing my streets.

i just hope they never come to my home and do any of this mess. i know if they do I want be back here at ATS any more as I will be taken down but, I will carry as many with me as I can..There is no sense in this stuff they are doing now..They think they are Gods......To me the only kind of gods they are GD fools.....Take Note you evil bastards.....

I think the cop should have waited till he was bitten. Maybe the dog just wanted to get a good belly rub or get it's ears scratched? If the dog sunk its teeth into him THEN he could have blasted it, but it is not like it was a human coming at him with a knife in its hands. Dogs cannot remove their teeth at will. The cop was wrong for shooting the dog without suffering any injury from it.

And even if the dog did bite him he could have used a taser or a nightstick or pepper spray on it. He had to use his firearm? What is the point of having a tool belt full of gear if it just sits there?

You are telling me that this cop couldn't go hand to hand with a dog? If they cannot deal with a dog how the HECK are they supposed to deal with a person?

Yeah it would suck getting bitten by a dog but it sucks far worse to think maybe the pup was friendly and playful and wanted to play fetch or catch. I would rather see the cop get a few stitches and a rabbis shot than to see the image of police get tarnished because of this.

The officer clearly had no choice. The dog refused to comply with officer's commands and chose to ignore the unlawfulness of his actions by challenging the officer's authority. Given alone is sufficient to suspect (and therefore automatically convict under the patriot act and related laws that we are not allowed to see) the dog of terrorism and probably the production of child pornography and illegal music downloads. The officer should receive a commendation for helping to keep that family free and safe.

What the Officer did was ridiculous - and then to deny medial assistance to the Dog was reprehensible. He should be facing some kind of animal cruelty charge.

However, can I point out that 'the offender did not live there' is not the same as getting the wrong address. He may well have been expecting trouble at that very address - it does not excuse his actions but it might go some way to explaining his rather hasty reaction.

Oz

I always put my dogs in a room or the garage if somebody comes to the door....

they will likely lick the person to death, jump, whimper to be petted...you get my point....

BUT...... how can any police officer shoot before being threatened..I just dont get it.

I'm a plumber..I go into alot of house with dogs...I have never clobbered a dog with a 18" pipe wrench because I felt I might be bitten...never...Although I have insisted people put their dogs away in a room if if feel "Fido" who has never bitten anybody before, may be a problem.

reply to post by Jakes51

My dog is quite happy with surprise visits from delivery persons to proselytizers. He is restrained to the sidewalk in front with a heavy cable and has a run in back. He loves to sit on HIS porch and watch as folk walk to and from the park all day.He is introduced to all regular deliver folks( UPS,Fedex and USPS) for their own sense of who my dog is. never a problem has arose from any action of my dog. I have however had a petition put forth by two neighbors based upon his breed and large stance, ex-cops who never went further than driving by with nasty glares.Although when we moved from there one of them came by during a yard sale and apologized after my dog had befriended all the neighborhood and he admitted no one signed their petition!
No sir I will give no quarter to LE when it comes to dealing with the household pet. My dog has been judged by look alone by every cop and I have no doubt that before any action could be taken by me to put booch into a bedroom or such he would be dead or I would in the attempt to save him.
Never have seen one story of "the suspect was apprehended after the family pet was restrained by animal control" or "Once the family dog was allowed to be restrained the situation was resolved" or "animal control was on hand at the scene to control any possible danger from or to the family pet" Only an increasing number of stories in which it is where someone is "staying" or where some one is suspected of staying or outright wrong addresses( duplexes and apts even wrong houses entirely) and no intel on who is inside during a raid including children and pets, old or disabled. Hell they handcuffed a quadriplegic to his hospital bed to raid his medical pot here in Oregon and made jokes about it. Capping fido is just a bonus to some of these state thugs. I am torn for those who are in LE because of a sense of right and fear they may be forced to choose between their ideals and career very soon if they are not looking at the situation already. Some of them know it is not us against them it is just us. Especially now that they are getting the big shaft the rest of us have gotten from Uncle over the years.
Bad times, bad times, and they ain't gettin' better ya know?

What we need is a citizens review board that has the power to fire or charge officers.
Then we wouldn't see so many officers doing stupid stuff like shooting peoples pets cause they felt like it or abusing citizens every chance they get.

They need to be held accountable for what they do to people. Any fellow officers who helps to protect them should be brought up on charges too just like we would if we tried to help a criminal.

no worries just found the source missed it first read sorry

Originally posted by twitchy
There was a story in the news a while back where a man in Ohio was arrested for "barking back" at a police dog... I guess raising your voice at one dog and shooting another for no good reason is the difference between us and them. Can't even so much as 'bark' at a police dog but it's ok for the police to shoot your dog... I just don't get it, well no actually I do get it, but it's pretty damned sickening.

Thank you i agree with you the Police have become the 1st class citizens and everyone else 2nd class Citizens while they protect the Top Hats ( Corporations Owners , Banksters, Politicians) Thats what the police are they are t their to protect the Fascists Elite While they pillage our countries resources for their own Greedy agenda And rape our women and children Yes and the Elites have Child Prostitution rings set-up welcome to your Dystopia 1984. Revolution is coming and were going to hang all the treasonous
$^&@%*#'s.

Thats effed up. You know it's a nice double standard that if you shoot a police dog you are charged with murder of a POLICE OFFICER (same charge as if it were human), and yet the police always shoot and kill the dogs of any house that they raid. There is a documented case of police shooting someones dogs that were IN CAGES, because "they barked menacingly"...like a dog is not supposed to BARK when a bunch of black clothed men break down the door and come in yelling?

reply to post by thisguyrighthere

That's messed up, poor dog.

The cops almost tazered my dog once when they had to come to the house to quiet us down.

Originally posted by 2manyquestions

Originally posted by Jakes51
reply to post by CastleMadeOfSand

 

Thanks for the kind words. I guess you do not see the situation as I do. That is fine. Allow me to explain further, if I may. Lets set the record straight, I was making my assertions from the information provided in the article and my own knowledge of the breed. In no way was I trying to be contradictory on the subject, but trying to look at it rationally.

Now, the officer showed up unannounced to serve a warrant. To my knowledge, they don't usually give forewarning of their intent to deliver such things? They noticed the warrant was in error, and were sorting it out amongst themselves. From what I gather, he may not have known about the animal at first? When he noticed it, that is when the concern arose. I take it, this must have been the front yard? In that case, the animal should have been enclosed, or leashed. Was there a sign stating a dog on the premises? We don't even know if there was a fence? These things we don't know?

Mail personnel show up announced, the person delivering the newspaper, and people selling something. People show up to homes unannounced all the time. It is the homeowner's responsibility to ensure the safety of others in the vicinity of their home or when going to their front door. It was a knee-jerk reaction from the officer, but I don't believe he showed up to that house with the intent of killing their dog. I have spoke out quite often on ATS about police brutality, corruption, and other heinous acts; but this one does not cut the mustard. It was an accident. I see no malice or criminality in it. That may change if more information comes out about it.

An accident? Really?! The officer shot the dog intentionally, not by accident. It would be an "accidental" shooting if the gun accidentally fired, or if he had tripped and the gun went off. That's not what the article says. Sounds to me like he didn't wait very long before he shot the dog. The woman says he didn't give her enough time to grab the dog.

While giving people a warning about dogs in your yard would be a considerate thing to do, there's no law stating you MUST put up a warning sign if you own a dog on your property. Let's keep in mind that the dog is being kept on PRIVATE property. By setting foot on private property unannounced, you risk certain things. You have NO right to kill MY dog on MY property, unless the dog is literally attacking you and you're fighting for your life. Was this dog vicious? Maybe the woman's neighbors, her mail man/woman or any number of people who show up on her front door could attest to the dog's attitude. Maybe we should talk to them.

Frankly it seems to me that the Cop was a grade-A Ar$$hole who not only didn't bother double-checking the address before he went in, but then shot an animal and allowed it to suffer for 3 HOURS! I can accept that people make mistakes (in regard to the address mix up), I can accept that someone is so afraid of dogs that they feel threatened even by the dog's stare and overreact, but I CANNOT accept the fact that this horrible excuse for a human being let the animal suffer slowly!!! That's just simple cruelty. By exhibiting such a high level of a lack of compassion, it tells me that this guy does what he wants to do when he wants to do it under the protection of his police uniform, and he has no regard for life. He exhibited ZERO mercy, he didn't apologize, he made excuses to justify his horrendous behavior. I wouldn't want this dirt bag policing my streets.

I agree with most everything you say. It disturbs me to read about how the dog was left to suffer like that. However, anytime a weapon is discharged, it becomes a crime scene. Forensic specialists, ballistics specialists, and others arrive to gather evidence from the scene. Then, this officer will probably go up for review by his superiors. Now, if he would have removed the dog or finished it off as some have said, or picked up spent shell casings, or whatever; that would have compromised the scene, hindered the investigation, and would have been a corrupt practice.

Still, the dog should have been taken to the vet, or something. I am unclear why the dog had to lay there dying for three hours? If it was a person in that state, we can be certain an ambulance would have arrived to take them to the hospital. We don't know what the officers mindset was after shooting the dog?

In terms of private property, would you consider the side walk in front of your home private property? Or better yet, the walkway that leads to your front door? If the officer had stayed within their legal boundaries like on the sidewalk leading to the front door, a private property dispute seems kind of difficult to justify. Now, if he was snooping around in the yard somewhere or jumped a fence, then that is a problem. It remains uncertain how he approached this home? I have questions like any about this situation, and it is sad that this family pet had to meet this fate. However, from the information given, I think this officer responded in a knee-jerk reaction. This dog was not a lap dog, but one known for their formidable appearance and brute force.

Slant of the topic, I apologize in advance.

It seems more and more often and common that police are using the tagline "feared for my/his safety" to justify some of the most brash and brazen of actions against the very community they are supposed to be protecting.

-NYC copper steps towards and shoves a cyclist hard into the street in front of a large crowd and then claims he was concerned for his safety as the rider was passing to close to him.

-Cop tazes an elderly woman, misses and fires again. He proceeds to restrict her oxygen flow by crimping the tube. The woman was home bound and could barely get out of bed alone. Yet, somehow he felt her tone put his safety in imminent danger.

-NYC Subway police gang tackle a suspected gang member and out of fear, a rookie cop grabs for his tazer and instead shoots the suspect point blank.

There are dozens x dozens more stories along these same lines, from all over the US and the world. You can look up sources for these, but I know for a fact that these three are right here on ATS.


So, if everything that we as the populace do strikes fear into the hearts and minds of police everywhere, to the point where they feel like they equate their jobs to that of soldiers sweeping a terrorist village, then what good are they? Sure, they talk a good game, but apparently the rule of thumb now is shoot first, apologize later, laugh in the locker room, business as usual.


As to the OP...my dogs are my life. They are my pets, my best friends and my most loyal companions. Anyone knowingly causing harm to them will have to kill me to stop me. I have had a couple of encounters with people coming to my house and asking me to put my dogs away. "Sorry, they live here, you dont. Choice is yours" And may your god protect your soul if you raise a weapon to them.

Here is something pertinent to this situation that has not been mentioned. I dont see much of anything addressing the psychology of Canus Familiarus.

Dogs are pack animals. They bond with their pack and every member fights together. They are bred knowing strength in numbers. Domestic dog relies almost completely on their human. This dependancy has been bred into them over thousands of years (yes, thousands). They defend that which they claim is their own. Any dog will go to war at his masters side if it is truly necessary. However, unless that is the indication, they are not very likely to attack a random stranger, especially if the human is interacting with them in a non-threatening manner. They will and do take their cues from their humans.

Someone mentioned the breed above. I read the story too. Your attempted slant using on the Pit Bull side of the breed instantly lost you any and all credit with me. It was a Lab-Pit mix. The mix does count. Labradors are man-serving canines. It is bred into the very genetic code. They are bred down from Newfoundland, which carries the nickname Nanny Dog, for their docile and gentle manner around children. Pit Bulls are hearty hunting/herding/guard dogs. Yes, its true that they are the number one fight trained dog in the US. But they are also just animals subject to the masters training. It grinds my nerves to hear this very historic and noble breed blasted because they are kin to a fighting dog. Its no different that calling every black person a cracked head thief and every white person a genocidal skinhead.

I know I got on a rant, so I will wrap up saying that I hope this officer suffers harshly in his life for what he has done. He has just lied and cheated to cover up fear and abuse, which should dump a mountain of karmic debt on him, enough to drowned his soul.