A Beginners Guide To The Oak Island Money Pit Mystery

Quality starting pack for the Oak Island mystery s&f

It is also widely believed that the message that was decoded was a fake and that the original has never been seen by Joe Public (but you know how rumour goes)

The most likely version of events that I have read is the English hiding the looted French wealth after a battle in the near vicinity(ish)

sorry for no links but I have already started the bank holiday weekend only wanted to compliment a good thread

I like pictures.

I shrunk this^ pic quite a bit, but here's a link to the full-size. www.thelifeofadventure.com...

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Oak Island Treasure Company 1897




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I can't stop myself from picturing Seth Green and Mathew Lillard down in this hole. This should of been a movie.
'Without A Paddle 2: The Money Pit'

Personally, I think the stone was mistranslated. The stone has to be the real key to this mystery, for starters how old is it? Does it match any languages in the area, the world? Why is it in pounds? That's the part that makes no sense to me. Some people have mentioned Spaniards and Templar, why would they use pounds? I think that this stone needs to go to a team of linguists to see if the current translation is even close to correct.

My guess is that this was made to hide or protect something sacred or powerful. I can't see Europeans constructing traps like that. So it has to be natives. The oaks have to be a marker of some kind.

I'd also consider UFO activity over the area as the dig occurs. I'm not a UFO guy but it's interesting for casual speculation. So lets say that you're a native and something comes falling out of the sky, there are descent odds that you end up worshipping it but if it was radioactive, it won't be more than a few months at the most when you realize that the people who were close to it are either sick or dead. So you take it to an island, bury it and mark it. Once again, don't take this last paragraph too seriously, it's just kind of fun to think about.

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In a book on the subject I read years ago they mention that near the first hole a block and tackle was found. That would at least explain how the builders got up and down. If I recall correctly the kids thought pirates upon seeing it near the hole. I will have to try and find that book I may still have it somewhere.

I have been exposed to a lot of channeled material as I am sure every one else here has. I have always approached this type of stuff with my tongue firmly implanted in my cheek. But I have to say the most over the top and entertaining material of this kind, in my opinion, comes from Laura Knight-Jadczyk. It was her channeled Cassiopaea material that got me intersted in Oak Island. Her stuff was especially grabby for me because she ties in Alchemy and Nicholas Flamel.


For entertainment purposes only:

Q: (L) When I was reading [the Cassiopaean Transcripts] about Oak Island the other day, I noticed that we never followed up on certain things. Could we ask on that now?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, you said at that time that a Transdimensional Atomic Remolecularizer was buried at Oak Island. Is that correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who buried it there?

A: Learn. [Since they had already told us that the Lizards were involved, it was clear that we were supposed to learn something about this OTHER than who, specifically, put it there.]
Q: (L) Well, we are getting ready to learn because you are going to teach us, is that correct?
A: You already have tools.

Q: (L) What do you mean we already have tools?
A: We are trying to teach you to use your most precious commodity.

Q: (L) And that is, of course, our minds?
A: You betcha!
Q: (L) Okay. What I read about Oak Island was that there were legends of lights being seen there prior to 1703. A: Yes.
Q: (L) Prior to 1703 might put the burial of whatever is there at least prior to that time, correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Were those lights the lights of the craft of other beings other than the natives of this planet?
A: Electromagnetic profile.

Q: (L) Okay, the thing that was noticed when the kid who discovered this mystery arrived on the Island was that a limb was sawed off of a tree over the depression and there were marks of a rope on the limb as though ropes and perhaps pulleys had been used. (T) If someone more advanced than humans at the time dug the pit, they wouldn't have used chain hoists and pullys. (L) That is what I am getting at. So, if there was evidence of this kind of stuff on the tree, it would seem to indicate that somebody had been doing something there who was a little more human or limited in their technology, is that correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Now, my thought is, after reading about all the details of the diggings and barriers, and depth of the pit is that, it was beyond human technology to have produced that pit at that point in history?

A: Beyond known technology.
Q: (L) And yet humans may have been involved in that activity?
A: Bingo.

Q: (J) Think back to when we were talking about it and you mentioned the lights.
A: Some humans have always communed with "higher" powers. We are speaking of concious communion in this and other and instances

Q: (L) Okay, there was conscious communion between humans and other powers in the building of this pit. What group of humans was this?
A: It's fun to learn.

Q: (J) How about pirates? (L) Well, who was in this area? Eskimos?
A: No.

Q: (L) Indians?
A: Keep going, network.

Q: (L) There were the French and the English. How about the Vikings? (F) No, the Vikings were 600 years before that. (T) Well, we don't know how long ago the pit was dug. (J) I'm still... yeah, good question. (L) When was the pit itself dug?
A: 1500s. Nationality is not issue. [Note that they are speaking of the digging of the pit and NOT the original placing of the object. Clearly someone was instructed to dig there to access this thing at some later point in "time."]

Q: (T) Well, this pit was dug sometime in the middle of the 1500s. (J) And it was discovered in the 1700s.
A: Access sect information.

Q: (L) So, it could have been a religious group?
A: Now, who claimed communion, Laura has in memory banks from absorption of mass reading practice. [That may have been true, but I was sure drawing a big blank at the time of these questions!]

Q: (F) Was there a sect from that era that claimed communion with higher powers?
A: Yes.


Q: (L) I think that this may have had something to do with the people that later became known as the Cajuns, they called the area Arcadia; it was a French religious sect that was living there...
A: Maybe. [And here we have a significant clue: Arcadia. This was to prove to be a link to MANY things, as we shall see.]

Q: (L) Now, this article says that it would have taken a hundred men working every day for six months to have built this pit...
A: No.

Q: (L) The article also says that it must have been dug in 1780...
A: No.

Q: (L) When they drilled into the pit, it was claimed that some bits of gold came up and a piece of parchment and maybe some other odds and ends depending on which story you read. What were these?
A: Alchemy. [Notice that they did not confirm the story about the gold and parchment, but merely gave an additional "clue" to go with "Arcadia."]

Q: (T) The remolecularizer made it. (L) Why not? If these people were involved in doing this, why did they do it? A: Instructed to do it.
Q: (L) They were instructed by the higher powers they were in contact with, to dig down there and access a remolecularizer that had been buried ages ago, correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) What did they intend to do with it? Did someone intend to come back for it at some point in time?
A: No.

Q: (T) Is it buried there in that location for a specific reason?
A: Sure.

Q: (T) Does the location itself have something to do with the purpose of it?
A: Magnetic.
Q: (T) Are there other ones buried on the planet?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Are they aligned to each other on the planet in some kind of geometric pattern?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Okay. I want to get back to the function of this thing. You say it is buried not to be dug up. It is actually buried to stay there? Is that correct?
A: Yes. [And this single remark makes so many things clear, particularly the false assumption that a "treasure" was buried there. The only reasonable idea that one can draw from all the confusion regarding the fantastic barriers put in place to "protect" this purported object, is that it was NEVER intended to be dug up... at least NOT by those who have no idea of what they are dealing with!]

Anyhow, The source for this slappy madcap stuff is here...

cassiopaea.org...

Thanks for the thread. Oak Island has always intrigued me as well.

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Madcap indeed...thanks for providing a laugh. Jeez...what some folks won't do to sell a book, eh?

This is very intrigueing but i read some of the replies and people say secret societies, I'm kinda of thinking maybe it's a time capsule like the freemason use just a thought....

I saw some posts earlier about the original "burier" of the supposed treasure, having conflicting ideals about burying the treasure and not wanting anyone to find it, etc.

How is this for a theory?
The OB (original burier (thats not even a word)) did amass a sizable amount of treasure, and knew it would be found someday, but wanted to make sure only someone that had a resolve as strong as iron, or, hell, even oak, would be the one that received it.

Originally posted by RicketyCricket
I saw some posts earlier about the original "burier" of the supposed treasure, having conflicting ideals about burying the treasure and not wanting anyone to find it, etc.

How is this for a theory?
The OB (original burier (thats not even a word)) did amass a sizable amount of treasure, and knew it would be found someday, but wanted to make sure only someone that had a resolve as strong as iron, or, hell, even oak, would be the one that received it.

Ok, here's my input from a previous thread on the subject:

I've been interested in Oak Island ever since I got my treasure map in a box of Shreddies...far too long ago. I am what's called an 'avocational' archaeologist, which is to say I have some academic training in the subject and have held a licence to conduct limited activity. I just don't get paid...
So about 5 years ago, I was put in contact with another avocational who ... introduced me to an 'intuitive archaeologist'...a recognised psychic if you will. We walked some sites together and truth is I haven't checked out some of the details he came up with, but I am still able to...another story.

My associate and the psychic actually went to Oak Island and talked with the partner who is usually on site(Blankenship). One of the external threads supplied here said no artifacts are known to exist. Not so, as the few links of gold chain were produced at this meeting. The psychic held them, and subsequently associated them with the treasure of the Templars. The way I heard it, the psychic was actually given a link to take along and study further. The owner of the site, in turn, apparently believes the gold to have a different provenance. He stated that during the Spanish looting of Central and South America, all the treasure went to Havana, where it was catalogued and put aboard the treasure ships to Spain.

The story goes that the bureaucrat in charge would skim his cut off the top, and add it to his own hoard. He supposedly buried that in sites up the eastern seaboard, and it remains lost to this day. The Oak Island guy saw this as the source of the loot. And Sinclair's castle in New Ross? Not so. The supposed ruins just aren't, simple as that, and this comes from someone in a position to know.

There you are, then. A little more added to the mystery...sorry I can't do names, but you're getting the story some five years old, and a couple names I need to keep to myself. I did see Oak Island from the end of the causeway, though, and ate a Lobster Roll at a nearby restaurant...looking at the island. A fine moment.

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i like the idea that theres something good down there.BUT the problems i have is why do thay only ever say metal bits are in the chests why not say what type metal. if you can get a drill down you can get magnets if its a ferrous metal drag some up. the other problem is thay drilled right through the vault exposeing paper to the water so any explanation or infomation inside is alrady ruined.

my bet is it some old pirates safe with some things of value but nothing worth the money and time it would take to retreve it. thats why its a money pit

unless you hire 100 - 200 diggers from some really poor country and dig the entire beach up to block those holes or dam as much as possible and hope you slowed the water enough to work with it

I would say that it is booby trapped because that is not the correct way to go down . You have a metal tablet to mark the spot ,but nobody said it had to be dug down that way .. I would say there is another entrance to this pit somewhere close that if found will let you dig down without triggering the traps

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So to take that a step further, I am wondering what the shipping routes and lanes looked like from Havana, or the Caribbean in general, would have looked like back in those days.

Like, how would the galleons, loaded with that Central and South American treasure, travel back home? Would they cut across the Atlantic directly, or would they use the physical locators on their trip back? If there was evidence of these ships using that method, I dont see why the dude in Havana WOULDNT have buried his stash up the Eastern seaboard.

Then you have to wonder if all of those ships made it back home. You know somewhere, at least one of them was either sacked or wrecked. Odds are, if it was sacked or wrecked, and it used the Eastern seaboard as a means of navigation, then the plausibility of treasure being there is increased greatly.

Take it a step further, who would have been known as the man in Havana? That is to say, who was the guy cataloging and tracking this stuff? What other motives might he have had for planning something like that? (this is all based on the preposition that this guy did sack a ship and/or in some way had something to do with the treasure being buried there).

So where does one start backtracking that? Spanish records should show a governor or tax man in Havana or Cuba post 1492, so who has access to something like that?

I'm not sure if anyone posted this as I havent read the whole thread yet. I had a thought about the stone tablet with the inscription. I think it might be the intructions on how to actually get down to the bottom of this cleverly created pit.

Many have tried and none have succeeded. The makers of this trap had to have anticipated this It would make sence that they would leave something for others to figure it out. Unless they absolutely did not want anyone down there.

I love this mystery!
The engineering skills required just blow my mind!
And to say they went through all this trouble and bury it somewhere in a shallow hole elsewhere/ I can see it now....the workers finally finish their back breaking work and the leader of the dig say "thanks guys I'm just going to bury it over here in a small hole."
If that happened you would at least find the remains of this forman at the bottom of the main pit.
Just wish some billionair would just throw a ton of cash at this project and get to the bottom of that pit on live TV.

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Here's a map of the treasure fleet route. None of the maps I found show it to be moving up the coast. But if the Govenor was skimming off the top, it's unlikely that he would've used the actual treasure fleet to drop it off in his secret hoard. It's more likely that he would've taken his loot out of the incoming ships and then loaded up some private merchant vessels to go hide it.

If this is a treasure site, there has to be a way around the trap, there's no way someone would bury something they intended to access later and then make an insurmountable booby trap.

Originally posted by anilater
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Here's a map of the treasure fleet route. None of the maps I found show it to be moving up the coast. But if the Govenor was skimming off the top, it's unlikely that he would've used the actual treasure fleet to drop it off in his secret hoard. It's more likely that he would've taken his loot out of the incoming ships and then loaded up some private merchant vessels to go hide it.

If this is a treasure site, there has to be a way around the trap, there's no way someone would bury something they intended to access later and then make an insurmountable booby trap.

Either way, that would work out perfectly.

If the shipping routes WERE up the coast, you can safely assume that a ship had been hit at least once by a crew laying in wait, or a storm (like a wicked noreaster) smashing them into the rocks.

If the routes WERENT up the coast, what better way to avoid detection from the mother country, than to go THE OTHER DIRECTION with some skimmed loot?

As far as access goes, who is to say that there isnt another way in? I personally would work a radius around the hole, moving more and more inland methodically looking for something out of place.

What is out of place? A grouping of rocks? Some trees? No bushes? Carvings into trees?

Basically, canvas the area around the hole to see if there is another route in.

Why would someone bury something that cannot be retrieved? There is more to this then meets the eye..Seems like a trap to me for other pirates to lose their life trying to get at the treasure, if there is one down there...

I think the translation says: "The Love of Money is the root of all evil, keep digging you fools"

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Sweet work on the thread OP. I just noticed the part where you say that you created it for another thread.

That is one ambitious post.

my thoughts are that the tablet was not correctly translated... here is a link to a guy that says he got something completely different from that tablet. mythandmystery.com...

an interesting aside that really doesnt have much to do with the treasure,but the name Gilbert Hedden reminded me of a park(Hedden Park) i grew up near in Dover, NJ. So, I looked up his name and it said he was from Chatham, NJ which isnt to far from Dover. The info on the park says that the land was donated in the 60's by the Hedden family. Im guessing it was his family?

anyway, i just thought that it was interesting because the Oak Island mystery is something ive heard about off and on since i first saw it on In Search Of when i was a kid.





fun thread!