Stephen Harper seeks majority to dissolve Canada in favor of North American Union

Bwahahahahahahaha!

Is this thread serious?

I guess the 'source' doesn't know too much about Canaidan politics, and who ACTUALLY has authority up here.

Harper can't sign away Canadian soveriegnty even if he wanted to.

reply to post by TheLegend


At the risk of being a 1 liner.... grow up dude. The internet is a big place. Learn some history.

Why would he think the US would want Canada. We have our own problems. I like Canada. But has he asked the American people if they want Canada? We have great relations with Canada and they are our number one trading country. But our flag has enough stars thank you.

I'm sure most Canadians would have their own national pride. I can't imagine their people would want it either. If Canada didn't have them rude Frenches now lol I might be open to it. I'm just kidding.

Originally posted by sweetstuff
I for one will not be voting for Harper! As a canadian, I kind of enjoy having national health care where if my child has an accident I don't wonder should I go to emerg, will my insurance cover this? I have absolutely no desire to become an American, no offense intended to my american cousins. As for Pred stating Alberta is very americanized, I would agree, however I live on the east coast of Canada (best part of the country, IMO) and enjoy my canadian province just the way it is, thank you very much.

I won't be sitting and taking this and saying 'oh well they own us already'. Oh really? I happen to be a widow who receives a pension from the Canadian government, wonder what will happen to my pension under a 'north american union', kiss it goodbye I'm guessing. Or canadian child tax credit which parents receive monthly to assist in the costs of raising a family. Mine is 591 dollars per month for two children. Guess I can kiss that goodbye as well. I have american friends and I know how little their tax dollars gets them in the way of benefits they pay into. I'll certainly be facebooking this information and telling friends the information. Do nothing, expect nothing. And I'll venture most canadians will not be ok with such a union.

Remember, while we might be the brunt of american jokes....we aren't nice when pissed.

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;If its true please fight up there I'd like a place to escape to whenIi finally have my fill of this govt.and"culture" if its"everywhere" there's no place to run to ...

Stephen Harper once again stomps on parliament:

OTTAWA — Stephen Harper is challenging a key element of Canada’s parliamentary democracy, saying the ability of the opposition parties to defeat his minority government and be asked to govern themselves is open to “debate.”

In an interview with CBC News on Thursday, Harper refused to concede that the opposition parties have the constitutional right to form government after the May 2 vote if they can win backing of most MPs in the House of Commons.

At first, he dismissed the question as a “constitutional theoretical discussion.”

But asked whether the opposition parties would have the “right” to form government, Harper said “that’s a question, a debate of constitutional law.

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So... Harper thinks that coalitions are not constitutional. That's convenient. Strange that most parliametary systems on this fair planet think otherwise.

This is very telling, imho.

Then there's the new flap about abortions. Lovely. Here I thought things were fairly cut and dried on this issue.

But:

MP Brad Trost, seeking re-election in Saskatoon-Humbolt told a pro-life supporters convention on the weekend that their petitions helped deny funding to Planned Parenthood because it supports abortion.

Ooops!

As if that's not enough, Harpers Communications Director, Dimitri Soudas, got stung in a sting:

Dimitri Soudas, Harper’s long-time aide and former Quebec adviser, was alleged in reports earlier this week to have bullied the port authority in 2007 into choosing the federal government’s preferred candidate, Robert Abdallah, as its next chief executive.

Soudas lobbied was so strenuously on Abdallah’s behalf that two senior Conservative cabinet ministers had to intervene and diffuse the situation, the reports said.

On Thursday morning, several audio recordings appeared on YouTube purporting to be conversations between two businessmen prominent in the Quebec construction industry, Tony Accurso and Bernard Poulin.

www.thestar.com...

Oooops!

Polls have Liberals and NDP at a near tie while The Harper Government (Canadians will get that joke) is losing ground.

Yay!!

Good chance that sweaters might not become the national symbol after all.

If it is to be true, it will be a dark century indeed.

reply to post by TheLegend


First you say racists remarks,then you think it's a good idea that Canada joins their "gang" thereby making Canada America!No thanks!I liked it better when America was getting blamed for everything!

It's not shaping up into a good year. In our riding is Helena Guergis, and this issue makes me wonder if she was rejected from the present conservative plans based on some lacking loyalty to corrupt party politics, or if the exposure in her life was owing to something more that she knows, as an intimidation tactic. She's the picture of a decent Christian in our community, attends church and functions, and has been a genuinely well-liked representative over her years here. I don't doubt for a second that she might not match the mindset of someone supportive of a treasonous government plot.

Originally posted by Ihsahn
This is the first real step I've heard about this whole North American Union thing for at least two years. So either they're finally getting it over with, or people are just making a big deal out of something speculative.

The most contentious matter to hit Canada before this (and perhaps being given command of Libya operations), is the passing of Bill C-36, which links us to the Codex Alimentarius and marches on with NAU/NWO agenda.

Bill C36 passed this week in Canadian Parliament which abolishes the law of trespass in Canada. Some Liberal Senators state this breaches civil liberties.

On December 14, 2010, Bill C36 became law after a contentious ride through the Senate.

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Originally posted by masqua

So... Harper thinks that coalitions are not constitutional. That's convenient. Strange that most parliametary systems on this fair planet think otherwise.

This is very telling, imho.

It doesn't matter what Harper thinks about it. Why do Canadians seem to be missing this?

If a 'coalition' approaches the GG with a signed document stating that they, as the coalition, have the majority, the GG will be obligated under Canadian law to give the coalition head in parliment. This isn't something Harper can control. The coalition can go direct to the GG if Harper does not accept.

If Harper wishes to change that, he's hooped. He would require the House of Commons, the Senate, and two-thirds majority of the Provincial legislative assembly constitutiong a minimum of 50% of the Canadian population.

What this means in basic english, is that Harper NEEDS either Ontario or Quebec to back him 100%....lol, not going to happen.

Harper is not the highest authority in our government. He CAN NOT make certain decisions.

I know nothing about Canadian politics. I do know about their economy and that they are in no better shape than the United States. The US doesn't want their awful health care system. Ours is the best in the world and isn't going to be changing. If you want healthcare in America it's simple just get a job.

I can see dirty politics and I'm pretty sure the OTHER side opposing this man is responsible for creating this headline. I don't know about Canadian rights but I do know US law intimately and our President would never have the right to agree to something like this with out an open vote by the people. Congress couldn't even green light this. It would require a national vote from the people and I'm sure in Canada it's the same thing.

Who wants to elect a man that uses dreadful dirty scare tactics. It's political terrorism is what it is and don't you Canadians fall for it. Like they did here in the USA. I sure wouldn't vote for the guy that would benefit from this headline. If there's justice there in Canada. The politician that created this propaganda should go to jail.

Both countries are controlled by England anyway, yes thats right even the good ol US of A.
Follow the money and thats where you end up!

Some Quotes as food for thought

Let's discuss the world. To answer the question, "is globalisation possible without God", the simple answer is "yes". Globalisation is after all itself a code word, a mask, for not using the C-word, capitalism. Globalisation is basically the latest phase of expanding capitalism. This not something which is neutral, this is a capitalism that has its rules: it has its economic rules, it has its political rules, it has its cultural rules and it has its military rules. It is a system. At the heart of this system is the United States of America, the world's only existing empire today. The first time in the history of humanity that you have just had a single empire, so dominant, whose military budget is higher than the military budgets of the next 15 countries put together, and whose military-industrial complex itself is the eleventh largest economic entity in the world. This is the reality we live in, and this is the reality which confronts us in different ways. Tariq Ali, 10th Globalisation lecture, VRPO.

Resistance is feasible even for those who are not heroes by nature, and it is an obligation, I believe, for those who fear the consequences and detest the reality of the attempt to impose American hegemony. Noam Chomsky, In American Power and the New Mandarins (1969)

The poor complain; they always do, But that's just idle chatter. Our system brings rewards to all, At least to all who matter. Poem by a Canadian economist (Gerald Helleiner)

So what to do about this NAU? The American Empire so to speak, is growing? What are the consequences economically? Culturally? and Politically? All questions that will be buzzing through our heads over the next few decades, right? The implementation of this would take awhile, so there is time to stop this if necessary. Again is it necessary? Would the joining of two nations shedding its borders to form a new national entity be that bad? Depends on those who be in power, the ones really behind the red curtain, shifting the stage around to "OH" and "AWE" us into drones. Would this at all benefit everyone?

My personal belief in the matter of state and government, is that they must changed to work in this new era of mankind. But the way the must work is always the fickle problem that every human has yet to figure out. What form of governing is truly appropriate? Democracy? Republic? Dictatorship? Monarchies?

How do we counter such a power that would arise? to openly rebel would split the nation(s) divide into large camps. Internal differences in each camp would break them apart. Honestly in the history of man when has a revolution been carried out when all were equally appeased? AS FAR as I know never.

A time of strife is upon us, In world where information is constantly being sent and received on a scale never before seen by man. We have seen how revolutionaries have arisen in Egypt, Tunisia, and Libya. While the rest of the middle east is aflame with rebel spirit. Let us network, let us take up arms, and defend one another against tyranny, in Unity there is strength! There are many paths before us, which one will you take?

reply to post by intrepid

I study history hours a day, what's your point?

Simple numbers. Canada (with the longest international boundary on the planet of almost 9k kilometers) doesn't have the military force to enforce their border against illegal aliens 24/7. This was mentioned before in the media as a statistical joke.

Swap America w/Mexico and they'd be overrun long ago (even the US, with smaller border and more enforcing, is having problems). Especially with their more liberal tactics on handling the situation if they were confronted w/it. There would be millions of Mexicans in Canada within a year.

As far as my "they talk about the US all the time" comment, I was in Vancouver and on 3 random occasions within the week I overheard Canadians talking about the US. So that's just my personal observation.

I'm all w/Stephen Harper, incorporate Canada. BUT I don't think it'll happen anyway (refer to post a few above to see why). I give it a 10% success rate.

PS@ the person saying Canada's health care is better than the US, then why is there so many stories of Canadians running to America to seek emergency health care? Good luck with your waiting list.

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AH The other side of this guy is a Liberal. Our Liberals do the same thing here they are Political Terrorists. Obama and his Liberals did a scare tactic to get elected a lot like this one how ever this ones not even believeable.

The democrats (Our Liberals) somehow got the oil companies to raise gas prices for no reason and started talking about how bad a shape America was in. Bought the media and Pretty much the Election. It wouldn't of mattered who ran against Bush. The fuel increase raised prices on everything. Nobody could afford to pay their mortgage and the housing crisis hit. Son as the election was over prices went right back down again for no reason. It's Liberals at their worst.

Don't fall for it Canada!

Originally posted by TheLegend
PS@ the person saying Canada's health care is better than the US, then why is there so many stories of Canadians running to America to seek emergency health care? Good luck with your waiting list.

edit on 21-4-2011 by TheLegend because: (no reason given)

Because good news is not news.

All Canadians use (or should be anyways) Canadian healthcare every single year.

A couple thousand go to the states.

Let's be generous and check the math...we'll say 50,000 Canucks head south for medical.

50,000/34,108,000 (2010) = 0.14%...yes a little over 1/tenth of a percent.

Must be that ours is sooooo bad .

Put stuff into perspective before you use it as an arguement. Canada has its problems with healthcare, but I love it so much more than the US system that I would happily sign over Alberta oil wealth to keep it if I could. And, I'm Albertan (if you don't know about Canada, that statement means a lot to Albertan's).

reply to post by lestweforget


I think you have it backwards England doesn't have any say in US politics. If they did there would be US forces in Libya
In my humble opinion we could careless about Libya. .

This is a bunch of BS. It will never happen. Sounds like a bunch of pre-election propaganda to me. The U.S. is going down the tubes economically, Canada is going strong. It would make no sense for this to happen. Canadians are not like Americans, we won't stand for crap from our government. We have the most natural resources in the world and we wont just give them away to the greedy U.S.

I'll say it again, It will never happen

reply to post by Darkmask


I agree that it will never happen. Also that its dirty politics. However I study your economy. Canada just gets less press. Everyone in your population is hording food and buying gold and silver the Crimex is outta metals and about to default.look into it. Zero delievery's for the month of March and April. And a lot of people buying. Silver is 152 percent on the year.

Oh and I heard baby Joseph went home today. God bless the little guy.

reply to post by peck420

Considering the US has 10x more population yet there's more Canadians cutting the border for healthcare tells you something.

"Emergency" healthcare, not just regular circumstances. If you have an ailment that will kill you in 6- months then you better get to America.

There is a lot of unfounded media propaganda drifting around regarding America's healthcare. Many American people don't complain about it at all.... It's certainly not the top of the priority list lately anyway.