Does multiculturalism work?

What are your views on multiculturalism? Many users will be aware of the rising multicultural controversies in Western countries. Do you believe multiculturalism is a blessing or a curse on a country? I believe there are to many competing interest with multiculturalism. Picture the People's Republic and China and the United Kingdom side by side. In China Han Chinese make up the majority of the population; as well a majority of the people share the same personal views. In Great Britain there are many competing ethic groups, large immigration from people who have not learn the native language of the country, and so forth with all the various issues dealing with multiculturalism. Now, I love learning about different cultures around the world. I like to learn about India. But that doesn't mean I want to become Indian and have to live their lifestyles. I always find it funny when people denounce their are ethic groups and that there is only one "Human Race!" I just picture them like Socialist with their fist pumping in the air.

reply to post by FeraVerto


I don't think it is natural or comes easily but, if you treat others as you wish to be treated yourself, it could work.

Its just fine when it happens at its own pace.

Trouble shows up when some incentive or decree or other state act creates a mass migration. Then you get hostility and defensiveness and violence.

The end result of "multiculturalism" as we have known it being a state sponsored and influenced event is always genocide.

reply to post by FeraVerto


Multiculturalism is the first commandment of the NWO. Which makes sense. Heritage is a powerful weapon against tyranny. Multiculty is crammed down everyone's throat from day one via TV, music, "education", corporations and government. They've been very successful in insinuating it into everything to a high degree, to the point where it's borderline taboo to discuss it. Anything they're (so much) for, I'm against.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Its just fine when it happens at its own pace.

Trouble shows up when some incentive or decree or other state act creates a mass migration. Then you get hostility and defensiveness and violence.

The end result of "multiculturalism" as we have known it being a state sponsored and influenced event is always genocide.

edit on 19-4-2011 by thisguyrighthere because: (no reason given)

Very well said. I was struggling with how to say the exact same thing. Thank you.

It is a fell good way to force people inhabiting an area to accept people's views and culture that are moving in. Instead of adapting to your environment, this forces the environment to adapt to you.
It is BS at best.

reply to post by FeraVerto


No, it doesn't work. The invading breed, as in any animal species, destroys the host breed in our case through attrition via government "special" programs and quotas and through the invading breed's lack of assimilation to the host's order of societal topography. Look at African Bees or Zebra Mussels or that new carp species in the great lakes, they all kill off their competition. So it is with humans, we're just another animal, but sentient enough to produce our own genocide and even welcome it via the politically correct herd attitude. Multiculturalism in society is an invasion controlled and propagated by outside forces with the help of treasonous politicians within society.

A society can suffer it's fools and it's arrogant but it cannot stand against treason from within it's borders. Politicians, multinational corporations and international bankers, there's our problem.

Cheers - Dave

Originally posted by bobs_uruncle
reply to post by FeraVerto

 

No, it doesn't work. The invading breed, as in any animal species, destroys the host breed in our case through attrition via government "special" programs and quotas and through the invading breed's lack of assimilation to the host's order of societal topography. Look at African Bees or Zebra Mussels or that new carp species in the great lakes, they all kill off their competition. So it is with humans, we're just another animal, but sentient enough to produce our own genocide and even welcome it via the politically correct herd attitude. Multiculturalism in society is an invasion controlled and propagated by outside forces with the help of treasonous politicians within society.

A society can suffer it's fools and it's arrogant but it cannot stand against treason from within it's borders. Politicians, multinational corporations and international bankers, there's our problem.

Cheers - Dave

edit on 4/19.2011 by bobs_uruncle because: a letter

I only agree with some of that. Yes when animals that don't belong to a region are brought into that region they wipe out everything in the area. But allowing the outside cultures to take over and remove the already present cultures is completely against multiculturalism. The point is, you don't force everyone to have the same culture just to live in your country. They still have to follow the laws like everyone else though, and they aren't allowed to change your culture either.

I would definitely agree that immigrants regardless if they are refugees or not should learn the official language of a country before they move into it as well as limiting the amount of immigrants to a x number per year as much as possible. It has also been working in Canada for a long time and Canada is probably the most multicultural place on the planet.

Even though I am surrounded by a lot of different immigrants each day, I never feel that my own culture is being taken away from me.

I used disagree with multiculturalism, I viewed it as more divisive than as a source of unity for a population. However a year or so ago I had a change of opinion, mostly as a result of experiencing other cultures and meeting different people of various backgrounds. I think the world will be a much better place without this modern concept of a monolithic culture absorbing everyone and everything. Surely exposure to various different cultures, languages and peoples can only enrich humanity? From personal experience I have found interaction with other peoples and learning about their customs as well as their beliefs and outlook on life has changed me for the better.

reply to post by GuerillaFighter


Look at the UK, immigrants trying to force the use of Sharia Law. That could happen here in Canada as well. Unfortunately, in Canada it's likely because the population is so fractured between immigrants and special interest groups that there can be no unified consensus on law. Laws are made based on the lobbyist who is the highest bidder lining whichever Minister's pocket suits the task at hand. Hence the traitors in government change the laws to suit their masters, meaning the banking cabal or the multinationals. In any event, we ALL lose.

I have lived and worked overseas. Sure, I brought my culture with me a little, but I welcomed the assimilation into the country I lived and worked in because I didn't want to change the country that "hosted" my family and myself while I provided them with my skill set. I am of the opinion that if immigrants don't want to assimilate, ship them back. We don't need to recreate the racial and class strife in other countries here in the colony of Canada for the sake of the bleeding hearts and politically correct. And by the way, while the BH's and PC's are being appeased, 3 to 5 million jobs disappeared in Canada and reappeared overseas to India, Pakistan, China, Taiwan and many others.

So, H(ow)TF is multiculturalism beneficial if it doesn't make jobs and causes a lack of consensus driven direction in a country? You can quote all the talking heads on media you like, but seriously, they are just talking heads bought and paid for by the people who brought you the multi cult (and it is a cult).

Cheers - Dave

Multiculturalism has always existed in the US, but what's bad is that it's been highjacked by an agenda and used as a weapon. In it's natural state (the various communities that exist in and of themselves, but also interact at any given time- usually as some sort of festival or special occasion), it's wonderful; ie St Paddy's, events put on by Italian or Greek Orthodox communities, Chinatowns, and people who carry on their traditional craft (like Poles being such outstanding woodworkers)...I live in a city that's in perpetual Fiesta. It adds to the richness of our lives. It's great to go there, but it's also "good to be home" again where everything is familiar and what we're used to..

What (was) a naturally occuring multiculturalism is being turned into (or trying to) seems to be that people just become homogenized and without any ethnicity at all- just a dull, grey mass. It's not "bringing us together". It's being used to drive a wedge between us and literally our identities; individually and as a group.
It's true that large influxes of immigrants of one ethnicity or another begin to dominate, but what's worse is that the ethnic communities that have existed since the 1920s and back even further than that, get lost and practically dissolve. Their churches seem to keep them cohesive to some extent. "Heinz 57" Americans don't really have that sense of community.

This push for "global collectivism" is very odd because there's really nothing there to hold us together. It's too vast

Originally posted by bobs_uruncle
reply to post by FeraVerto

 

No, it doesn't work. The invading breed, as in any animal species, destroys the host breed in our case through attrition via government "special" programs and quotas and through the invading breed's lack of assimilation to the host's order of societal topography. Look at African Bees or Zebra Mussels or that new carp species in the great lakes, they all kill off their competition. So it is with humans, we're just another animal, but sentient enough to produce our own genocide and even welcome it via the politically correct herd attitude. Multiculturalism in society is an invasion controlled and propagated by outside forces with the help of treasonous politicians within society.

A society can suffer it's fools and it's arrogant but it cannot stand against treason from within it's borders. Politicians, multinational corporations and international bankers, there's our problem.

Cheers - Dave

edit on 4/19.2011 by bobs_uruncle because: a letter

The invading breed? We are talking about earthlings aren't we? because if he is talking about some off planet sub species that is not even human then I'd like to change my answer. Otherwise yes we can and should get along. This question is asking if NEW YORK CITY works and I think we see that it does. Except in winter when there is plowing to be done but over all, multiculturalism works and beautifully.

reply to post by newcovenant


It didnt always work very well in NY and in many ways it is still causing trouble.

NY has segregated communities. Has always had ethnic related gang activity, violence and blacklisting. No work for the Irish ring any bells?

During periods of constant and manageable immigration it works fine. It's natural people would mix. During periods of mass influx it causes violence, xenophobia, defensiveness and segregation.

It depends.

Different (peaceful) religions, some habits, food, culture, races are not a problem in itself. These things are the positive side of multiculturalism, and altough they could cause problems because of racists or bigots, after some time nobody will care what your culture or race is when you are hard-working and not an extremist.

Different basic values, on the other hand, will probably only lead to further alienation and hate. That is a recipe for disaster.

As with many other things, balance needs to be achieved.

Originally posted by Doc Gator

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Its just fine when it happens at its own pace.

Trouble shows up when some incentive or decree or other state act creates a mass migration. Then you get hostility and defensiveness and violence.

The end result of "multiculturalism" as we have known it being a state sponsored and influenced event is always genocide.

edit on 19-4-2011 by thisguyrighthere because: (no reason given)

Very well said. I was struggling with how to say the exact same thing. Thank you.

Very well put, our history has proven this time and time again.

Yes and no..

I feel that local, "forced", multiculture is a source of serious tension. The host culture is often not accepted or respected by the "guests". The "guest" cultures are often providing influences that are not wanted by the host.

All cultures have their beauty and their ugliness.

I feel that that distinct cultures are usually best left distinct. There is no reason for the cultures not to intermingle, but moving in and trying to take over, demanding that the host accomodate your desires, pushing your customs on the host culture, it's just too invasive.

One thing I think that works about multiculturalism is all the different foods and styles of cooking there are now (in the UK at least).

Find things that connect you i.e. food, music, booze etc and you'll find you can get on with most people. It's just the BS from the media that makes out we're always on the edge with each other. If I meet someone from another country I will always ask them (after pleasantries) what is their favourite food, find out and then go on a mission to eat it.

It obviously does not work.
Different races/ethnic groups exist for a reason, and multiculturalism eventually just ****s everything up. This view seems to have a great deal of examples to back it up, with America being just one.
Take it from me: Diversity is nothing great.

I always find it funny when people denounce their are ethic groups and that there is only one "Human Race!"

You should find it funny, because it's a tremendous load of ****.

reply to post by bobs_uruncle


I am a little annoyed with you saying that I got this from the media. I honestly don't give a rats furry behind what the media has to say. For example I think all drugs should be legalized even though the media constantly says that they shouldn't be. I support multiculturalism from my own personal experience, logic and reason.

Multiculturalism is not related to lobbyists or jobs being shipped overseas. Although, we should get rid of lobbyists and as for the jobs being shipped overseas, it's because of the greedy corporations outsourcing their work to foreign countries for all the cheap labour. Corporations here in North America always go with the lowest bidder and when that happens, you get incidents like the oil spill. That's why jobs are lost to illegal immigrants. They pick those wages simply because that's what they are used to in their own country. Immigrants will move here, the US and UK because their country standard of living is so low, that they will make the effort to travel to those countries. There will always be illegal immigrants from other cultures moving in even country says they "don't allow other cultures"

As for your claim about the UK, the only thing I can say about it is BS. The Muslims in each of those countries are a very small amount of the population, and a lot of them are secular and don't support Sharia law either. I've met Muslims, and people from almost any culture, that are perfectly respectable, often hardworking and polite people. That's not a constant, but it sure as hell isn't with "real" (i.e. white Christian) Canadians either. Besides, Sharia law is against the constitutions of Canada and the US. UK doesn't have a written constitution if I remember correctly, but if you think in a SIGNIFICANTLY more non-Muslim than Muslim country, that politicians are just gonna bring in Sharia law by surprise and no one's gonna do anything about it, then you're completely deluded.

Are politics screwed up? Yes. Do politicians care all that much about us? That's debatable, but often I lean more towards "Hell no." But responding with irrational distaste for other groups isn't a good response in any way, shape or form. This division between the groups is touted around by people at the top all the time, because they know if we are arguing with each other they can get away with anything they want. Since we've become more multicultural, the racial strife has GONE DOWN because people have learned that someone's country of origin, first language or religion are not good reasons to judge their character. I'm not saying that you judge people based on those characteristics, but the kind of rhetoric your using certainly encourages it. I don't exactly know what class strife has to do with multiculturalism, but it's going to exist as long as some people have much more than others, whether they're of the same culture or not.

Multiculturalism is beneficial to the country. When people are more accepting, we can focus and get things done more. People of different cultures do not cause a "lack of consensus driven direction" any more than we already have, humanity has never been able to agree in large groups on what to do. There's no one nationality that is pushing for the same things, and they can't 'invade' or 'drive out' or 'overwhelm' the local cultures because they aren't all trying to accomplish one thing . They're mostly just trying to make a living and support their families. If someone came to me and tried to tell me what I can or can't believe, I'd have a massive problem. But immigrants are not doing that. The only people I see doing that are the politicians and people who push ridiculous ideas (whether they are from the right or the left wing), and most of them are Canadians anyways. When you try and tell a group of people that they aren't worthy of living in your country because they are different, it only makes them hate you more. It does not get rid of them, it makes the conflict more of a problem.

t's great that you have worked overseas and all, and it's good you had respect. But that's what it's all about. In a multicultural country, you can have your own beliefs and culture, as long as you follow the laws. They don't get to CHANGE the culture of the country, cause they have just as much responsibility to respect the existing culture as we have to respect theirs.

By "assimilation" Do you mean to be follow the laws and be a productive member of society? All the immigrants I've met already do this. If they aren't assimilated enough yet, then what else do they need to do?

I suppose the most important thing I should add is that I don't expect to change your opinion anymore than you expect to change mine. That may make this conversation a little pointless and maybe I shouldn't have started this argument with you in the first place. But I simply do not consider people from other cultures an "invading force" unless of course they are actually invading and killing people

There are criminals (on the streets, and in corporate offices) all the time, but they're more often from this country than anywhere else. Criminals are criminals, and should be treated no better or worse depending on where they're from. I do no consider you a racist for disliking multiculturalism.

Also, a little off topic but I like the "Duck, bullets have the right of way quote" for your signature