Are there conspiracy theories about the other attacks?

Are there good reasons to believe that 7/7, Bali, etc were not the work of radical Jihadists, and were actually done by the NWO or some other group?

I know we always focus on 9/11 here of course, but I wanna hear about some of the other major attacks and alternative explanations for them.

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oklahoma city . i was a few miles away and i know they have tapes that they wont release.

Originally posted by Another_Nut
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oklahoma city . i was a few miles away and i know they have tapes that they wont release.

true true. but what about the other alleged Muslim attacks?

Pearl Harbor is riddled with conspiracy

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Originally posted by thedman
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Only if you are a delusional whackjob........

let me guess. to you, a delusional whackjob is someone who questions what the media and government tells them?

I never researched 7/7 too much but this interview always stands out to me.

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This isn't really a direct reply to your post, but another question on 9/11. I'll begin by confessing I am not as computer literate as I'd like to be, with that being said. If I knew where to look for links to this question, I would. I am a "noob" to ATS, but I know that asking for does not equal "look here", and for that I apologize for my lack of knowledge. Does anyone remember hearing about GREYHOUND BUSES on that day? I recall several news stories of Hijackings, drivers having their throats cut and crashing. Does anyone else remember? If so, has this been proven false?

Originally posted by Rob1971
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This isn't really a direct reply to your post, but another question on 9/11. I'll begin by confessing I am not as computer literate as I'd like to be, with that being said. If I knew where to look for links to this question, I would. I am a "noob" to ATS, but I know that asking for does not equal "look here", and for that I apologize for my lack of knowledge. Does anyone remember hearing about GREYHOUND BUSES on that day? I recall several news stories of Hijackings, drivers having their throats cut and crashing. Does anyone else remember? If so, has this been proven false?

i dont remember that, however, it has been almost 10 years now.

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um well the said tapes supposedly show a muslim man with tim for starters but why does that even matter ? the fact that these tapes are being held at all is a conspiracy to me .

Originally posted by descartes90
Are there good reasons to believe that 7/7, Bali, etc were not the work of radical Jihadists, and were actually done by the NWO or some other group?

I'm not very knowledgeable on those events but there are people who argue as much, yes.

For 7/7, there were exercises mimicking the real attacks happening simultaneously, just like on 9/11, which presumably would confuse police or first-responders, just like wargames mocking the real attacks confused FAA personnel on 9/11.

In the case of the Bali and Jakarta bombings, there was reason to question the official explanation of what kind of bomb it was. In at least one of these cases the story of what the bomb consisted of was changed several times, eventually settling on a van filled with explosive gas tubes or some ridiculous explanation. The actual explosions created craters in the ground and blew out windows for hundreds of feet. I think it was the Jakarta bombing that even blew out skyscraper windows way up into the air, destroyed nearby building lobbies, etc. The amount of destruction from these bombings was incredible to be attributed to any conventional bomb, let alone something home-made.

The 1993 WTC bombing is another interesting case of an apparent "mystery bomb." The official explanation of what kind of bomb it was, was pressed upon a Dr. Whitehurst by unknown "FBI agents" according to his own testimony at the trial for that bombing. He said he was pressured by them to say it was a certain kind of bomb for which there was no evidence, and which did not fit the available evidence. After that bombing, there were reports of molten concrete in the basement, which if true would obviously not indicate any kind of conventional bomb.


OKC has lots of stuff about it. There were 2-3 undetonated bombs actually removed from inside of the Murrah Federal Building. This was reported by federal sources, ie FEMA, the Army, DoD, and also civilian witnesses in formal affidavits. You can find scans of these online at "whatreallyhappened.com."

The Gulf of Tonkin incident that got us into Vietnam was a false-flag too, and the NSA came clean about what that was all about around the year 2000.

It's fairly common knowledge that Japanese codes informing of a planned attack on Pearl Harbor were intercepted about a year in advance of the attack, at a time when the typical time to decode a message was about 6 months. There is a lot of other information about Pearl Harbor, which is still a controversial topic, but the conspiratorial idea is that FDR and military leaders knew the attack was coming but allowed and even prepared for it, in order to allow the American people to be persuaded to enter the war.

The USS Maine, whose destruction got us into the Spanish-American War, was proven by a Navy investigation in the 1970s to have been caused by an internal explosion. Media sensationalism at the time claimed it was sunk by an external explosion caused by a Spanish mine. That theory got us into the war, and prevailed throughout several investigations until being finally and conclusively overturned by the Navy investigation decades later.

I've also heard that the Lusitania was actually secretly carrying weapons from the US to the UK, but I can't form a conclusion about that. It wouldn't surprise me but it would also be very hard to prove.



The thing about war is that there are always going to be lies. Deception is key to warfare. In about every way you can imagine.

Regarding 7/7, as is the norm when 4 terrorist cells spring into action, reflecting in great detail, mock terrorist scenarios depicting exactly what happens simultaneously for real, there are as many unexplained and basically impossible aspects as there was with 9/11.

This documentary pretty much covers all the anomalies (be warned, the guy narrating drives you close to losing the will to live with his drone accent).............

www.myspace.com...

Guys allegedly wearing 100lb Semtex waistcoats being shot by police marksmen (a fair time after *their suicide bombs* had obviously failed), around the docklands area of East London.

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As well as 9/11 and 7/7 the Madrid train bombings of 2004 have also attracted conspiracy theories.

So I suppose that you can consider that the US, UK and Spain all have a significant number of important people in their administrations who are psycopathic neo-cons anxious to suppress freedoms and make war in the middle east ;who have all been able to commit mass-murder while avoiding leaving any evidence.

Or ; there are islamist extremists out there anxious to hurt the west.

Originally posted by descartes90

let me guess. to you, a delusional whackjob is someone who questions what the media and government tells them?

My interpretation of a delusional whackjob would be a (supposedly fireman) agreeing with the fact that fires spread below the initial zones they started in (with no apparent signs, ie smoke and flames raging through windows from 80+ storeys beneath, thus weakening the entire structure enough for it to give very little or no resistance whatsoever as the initial collapse commenced).

As any bona fide firemen will gladly explain, fires spread upwards (apart from those that hitch a ride in elevators), see if you can spot anywhere in both towers, evidence of fire, several storeys beneath the initial impact areas to such an extent it would have had to be, to weaken the towers to the point of nigh on no resistance whatsoever.

Delusional whackjobs? lmfao

There is evidence that alquaeda is a CIA/MI6/Mossad operation. False flag attacks are common. When the IRA Hamas and their ilk carry out terror attacks, then you have faces and names. When a shadowy organisation carries out terrorist attacks, then something is up.

Or ; there are islamist extremists out there anxious to hurt the west.

Or; (continuing with the interesting use of the semi-colon)

So I suppose that you can consider that the US, UK and Spain all have a significant number of important people in their administrations who are psycopathic neo-cons anxious to suppress freedoms and make war in the middle east ;who have all been able to commit mass-murder while avoiding leaving any evidence.

Or; (hey, who says illiteracy isn't fun?)

Originally posted by Alfie1
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As well as 9/11 and 7/7 the Madrid train bombings of 2004 have also attracted conspiracy theories.

So I suppose that you can consider that the US, UK and Spain all have a significant number of important people in their administrations who are psycopathic neo-cons anxious to suppress freedoms and make war in the middle east ;who have all been able to commit mass-murder while avoiding leaving any evidence.

Or ; there are islamist extremists out there anxious to hurt the west.

Evidence is only a problem if you are not above the law.

Funny you should mention thid op. I was watching a docementary on nat geo last nite about thoses terrorists in london who was supposedly trying to get home made liquid explosives on trans atlantic flight to blow up mid air but the authorities manages to stop it. Got me thinking if they stopped that why didnt they stop9/11 the pakistan authorities caught the ring leader then he escaped. Any veiws on this?

Originally posted by kaya82
Funny you should mention thid op. I was watching a docementary on nat geo last nite about thoses terrorists in london who was supposedly trying to get home made liquid explosives on trans atlantic flight to blow up mid air but the authorities manages to stop it. Got me thinking if they stopped that why didnt they stop9/11 the pakistan authorities caught the ring leader then he escaped. Any veiws on this?

The Pakistani ISI is CIA and the CIA is alquaeda. Adam Pearlam escaped too, funny isnt it?