Orb-like object inbetween 2 Planes? Possible Fake Plane? SAME FLIGHT IN AIR NOW!!!!

reply to post by Abductee001


This is odd....

I didn't see the orb when i took the pic....

It would seem to me, based on the stills you posted....that anything there, and captured by the camera's CCD array, should have been clearly visible to the naked eye. Based on comparing the relative sizes of the contrails, to the "orb" size. Perspective.

If you saw nothing then.....will have to let those more expert in how digital photography works chime in. Just saw an interesting thread about it, started today....try to find.....OK, found:

The rolling shutter effect - Don't believe everything that the camera sees....

Not certain this is exactly the explanation, but an interesting starting point perhaps......

reply to post by weedwhacker


That's a good thread (took a while to read)
Do you think the orb/object could be the 3rd plane, my phones camera may not have scanned it properly?

DLH403 is over north wales now! pity... must have changed it's route and is not anywhere near me.
casperflights.com...

Originally posted by Abductee001
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

That's a good thread (took a while to read)
Do you think the orb/object could be the 3rd plane, my phones camera may not have scanned it properly?

Well, there's no trail on the orb at all, con or chem, so probably not a plane.

reply to post by CuriousEnigma


Forgot it wasn't leaving a trail, guess im just looking for a logical explanation and forgetting about the obvious!
Thing that bothers me is the radar pic that shows 3 planes
I've gone through the "radar display replay" time and time again, and it is spot on. And i was looking in that direction all morning while doing a car boot sale, and when i took the pic there were no balloons or anything else in the sky. I've seen Helium filled balloons high up on many occasions, and i've set off many chinese lanterns with the grandkids during the day and night, these would be visable so i don't think it's anything like that.

Originally posted by Abductee001
reply to post by CuriousEnigma

 

Forgot it wasn't leaving a trail, guess im just looking for a logical explanation and forgetting about the obvious!
Thing that bothers me is the radar pic that shows 3 planes

I've gone through the "radar display replay" time and time again, and it is spot on. And i was looking in that direction all morning while doing a car boot sale, and when i took the pic there were no balloons or anything else in the sky. I've seen Helium filled balloons high up on many occasions, and i've set off many chinese lanterns with the grandkids during the day and night, these would be visable so i don't think it's anything like that.

No one else sees THREE contrails in that photo? Yes, two of them are very close to each other but there are three distinct contrails. The object looks to be much closer to the camera than contrails do.

Originally posted by Abductee001
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It may just be lensflare?

Hi Abductee001 and thanks for sharing your photographies.

About this one above, yes, definately lens flare and here's how you can easely recognize these, taking photographies facing a bright light source:



Lens flare occurs along an inversion through a central point (central symmetry).
Just draw two lines from each corner to the opposite, and the lens flare will be on a line passing through the intersection of these two lines (i-e the center of the photography), and having the same distance both to the light source and the flare.

reply to post by weedwhacker

Sounds to me like you don`t believe the OP`s explanation.
He`s not the first to take a photo and only notice an " orb " or whatever later when checking photo`s.
The guy sounds legit and sincere.......and if he`s from Liverpool he wouldn`t be lying.......
ahem, that`s where i`m from.
I think the second one is lense-flare with lots of chemtrails.
Bit like today in Liverpool.
Skys full of them....and contrails.
Funny thing is they`re all flying at the same height.

reply to post by lambros56

... with lots of chemtrails.

NO such thing....

Bit like today in Liverpool......
Funny thing is they`re all flying at the same height.

No, they aren't. NOT at the "same height".

The OP of this thread kindly provided a GOOD link to a resource that you (or anyone) can use to show that, in fact, the airplanes over Liverpool (or anywhere else in the UK) are NOT at same altitude, when near each other!

Of course......when airplanes are on the same route, for instance...or parallel and far enough apart, they can be same altitude. It's about the proper distance separation, at altitude. Always is.


The OP's "orb" is still interesting.....and more than likely will turn out to be some sort of in-camera artifact.

Remember: When I asked, he/she said that the "orb" was not visible to the eye....only "showed up" in the images, when viewed later.

reply to post by elevenaugust


Thanks for the lens flare info! *+10
That is a really useful bit of research, how do you draw the lines?
Can you do the same for this crappy photo i took of the moon on 23rd jan.
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For anyone who wants to track aircraft casperflights.com... is a good tool, you can go back in time to see what plane was flying over and it gives full flight details.
In the pic of the orb/object the 3 planes are
KLM24 37321ft
DLH415 40321ft
DLH403 39293ft
Im not sure why my pic shows 2 planes and an orb/object, and the radar shows 3 planes?
If the orb/object was leaving a trail we could say it was some sort of a glitch with the phones camera, and i presume that the first 2 planes were leaving trails so the 3rd one should do also.... but isn't?

sorry that pic don't fit, here's the full image.
files.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by weedwhacker

Okay. This afternoon most flights over the North-west of the UK were at an altitude of 28-32 thousand feet.
Some were a lot lower because of the airport.
The sky was totally covered in chemtrails.
I checked the tracker. The planes making the chemtrails were above and below the planes that were making the contrails.

I`ve done enough research on the subject and in my opinion, Chemtrails are real.
As i`m sure you`ve researched the subject and you think they`re not.
We both have different opinions.

reply to post by lambros56


Im still sitting on the fence about chemtrails, but think that you could trace the trail back to a particular type of plane, then find out about the company that runs it and maybe what type of fuel they use.
See my first pic, that trail spread out a lot more than the others and was traced to "American Airlines flight AAL100, a B772 from JFK to LHR at 36250ft"

reply to post by Abductee001

See my first pic, that trail spread out a lot more than the others and was traced to "American Airlines flight AAL100, a B772 from JFK to LHR at 36250ft"

OK....in looking at the very first posted picture, in your OP.....I see the persistent contrail (presume from AAL100) and two more non-persistent, apparently at higher altitudes. The "orb" is there too (whatever it turns out to be).

So. let's look at the flight plan information for AAL100, on (was it the morning of the 19th, for you? Then it departed the evening of the 18th....):

flightaware.com...


In there, we see (in box on right) the original filed plan info....the actual ground track (and planned) in the visual depiction (you can zoom in) **

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**Note: The dashed blue line is the Flight Planned track over the ground. Green is actual. Over the Atlantic Ocean, though....outside of radar coverage (and flighttracker data input) there is no info....see the gap,here:

09:15PM 50.42 -47.98 70° East 560 644 38,000
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12:24AM 51.95 -4.81 105° East 472 543 38,000

That shows up in the green line...a "straight shot" default. Also, just FYI, after "coast in" they likely were issued revised routing, since the green line stayed south of the filed route.**
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.....and, you can also click on "tracklog and graph" for more details, point-by-point.

The original filed altitude for the trip was 35,000 (FL 350), but you can see that for whatever reason (more favorable winds, and/or higher for better fuel consumption rate...or, because of turbulence, to find a better "ride", or for traffic conflict reasons)....shortly after passing 60°W they elected to cruise at FL 380 for the Oceanic portion of the Route, and the crossing.

38,000 feet was held until the initial descent for the arrival to EGGL. (Heathrow). Beginning at about 4°West longitude:

12:27AM 51.82 -4.05 105° East 468 539 38,000 -420
12:28AM 51.81 -4.00 105° East 465 535 37,800 -1,200
12:28AM 51.80 -3.95 105° East 461 531 37,400 -1,740
12:28AM 51.79 -3.89 105° East 459 528 36,900 -1,920
12:28AM 51.78 -3.84 105° East 455 524 36,400 -1,980
12:29AM 51.78 -3.79 105° East 451 519 35,900 -1,800

Reading that, left/right....TIME in US Eastern, North Latitude, then West Longitude (the '-' sign), then magnetic track over the ground (course), with the Cardinal direction....then Groundspeed (in knots) and also in MPH, and altitude. Followed by rate of descent, in feet per minute.

SO....for our screen-grab info at the Casper website, of "36,250 feet" you can see the position approximately is --

N 51.78° W 003.83°

(This explains the odd altitude...if it is far from an even 1,000 feet, is usually due to a climb or descent....if only off a little, just from slight variations in the altimeters' readouts. Tolerances, when at cruise, of up to about 120 feet off, in error, are allowable).

American 100's contrail obviously was "spreading" more, based solely on the conditions that happened to prevail, at that time and place and altitude....

Originally posted by Abductee001
sorry that pic don't fit, here's the full image.
files.abovetopsecret.com...

Okay, sorry for the delay... busy as always...

This is not a lens flare, but rather an unfocused reflection on a material support, like a window frame for example.
Could also be a simple orb created by a tiny dust in the air, illuminated by the flash and unfocused as well.

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