Florida gun deaths suspect named as Shawn Tyson

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes

Florida gun deaths suspect named as Shawn Tyson

www.bbc.co.uk

A 16-year-old boy charged with the murders of two British holidaymakers in Florida has been named by detectives.

Shawn Tyson is due in court later charged with murdering James Kouzaris, 24, from Northampton, and James Cooper, 25, of Warwick.

The friends were found shot dead 50ft from each other in a street in the city of Sarasota early on Saturday.

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nice cherrypicked propaganda.

I guess those bad old cattle don't need guns when the nwo is official.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
I am not for gun control
but at the same time look at Canada
people don't walk around with guns and there is less crime in Canada than the U.S.

It is a different place though

This is one of the points that the American gun fetishists continually choose to ignore; gun proliferation begets gun crime.

In a society where guns aren't readily available, guns aren't used that much.

I always have a double take when I hear someone from the US saying something along the lines of: ''what if a burglar enters my house with a gun''. Here in Britain, a burglar carrying a firearm is practically unheard of, and if this happens in the US, then you've got a whole host of issues within your society that need to be corrected.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by descartes90

 

Property crime?

Many of these incidents are attempted rapes, assaults, and attempted murders that were stopped by the victim having the gun.

I don't think you've thought this issue through.

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edit on 18-4-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)

I had to jump in here...

Lets stop with the myths that a person having a gun stops many of these incidents. It's a lie.

Take it from someone who has paid many people a visit...rather they owned a gun or not (and most drug dealers do)...it's always the same ol look on their face. The "Ohh sh#t!, if only I could reach my gun!"

When you rob/assault people for a living, you treat everyone as if their armed. It's why you use the element of surprise, you know, while someones arms are full. Or they're stepping out the shower, etc.

reply to post by DZAG Wright


How is it a lie?

Crimes are OFTEN stopped by those with guns.

This is NOT a gun issue. What the hell were they doing in the ghetto at 3 AM? Really, ask yourself that. Maybe they should have been packing.

Young White British tourists in a bad part of town at 3AM? They should have worn shirts that said rob me. Accuse me of racial profiling of you want but it is true.

Looks like it also happens across the sea...this is from a few days ago...

www.mirror.co.uk...

I mean, again, sorry it happened but it is not the guns to blame here....

This is my favorite gun law in the US. I normally do not like referrencing wikipedia but it does give a fairly accurate overview but each state that has adopted this has slightly different spin.

Castle Doctrine

If found this on Snopes.

Scary Doctor Facts
This is really something to think about:
A. The number of physicians in the US is 700,000
B. Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year is 120,000
C. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171 (US Dept of Health & Human
Services).
Then think about this:
A. The number of gun owners in the US is 80,000,000.
B. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is 1,500.
C. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188.
Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than
gun owners.
FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.
Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors
before this gets out of hand.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by DZAG Wright

 

How is it a lie?

Crimes are OFTEN stopped by those with guns.

Umm no! Plenty of gun owners are robbed or killed.

As someone who frequently "went to see someone"...I've never stopped and said, "Uh oh, that guy MIGHT have a gun...I better leave him alone." No if someone is targeted then they are targeted, gun or no gun. That gun isn't welded too your hand.

Secondly, most of the people blowing kisses all over their guns on here would probably have their gun taken from their hand and then pistol whipped by it. That will go for most people who say they have one but haven't shot anyone before.

The successful cases are dealing with kids or junkies......so really a gun owner has shot or scared off a kid or a junkie. If a hardened criminal came to pay a visit or put in work, rather you have a gun or not, you will be caught off guard and still victimized.

And why does those cases always include the "he must have been high off drugs" inclusion as if it's mandatory?

reply to post by DZAG Wright


Of course they are. There are no guarantees in life.

All you can do is increase your chances of survival.

Guns help that.


Your opinion doesn't change the fact that guns are used defensively hundreds of thousands of times a year. SUCCESSFULLY.

It is a very sad truth, that here in the US, there are places that you should not go. If you go into these impoverished areas, you risk your life. They made the mistake of going to one of those areas.

Most likely, that was a robbery gone bad.

I feel very sorry for the families of the victims.

I was in Ecuador a few years ago. We went to one popular tourist area and were contemplating going for a hike. There were police near the start of the hike warning people that two US tourists had been raped and killed a couple of weeks before. The police had tracked down the suspects and killed them, but they were not sure that those were the actual killers. We chose not to hike there.

Almost any country that you can think of has some areas where you may find yourself in trouble.
Travel carefully.

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
When will the USA get over its primitive, fearful gun-toting culture ?

Here we have two British tourists who went to the wrong side of town, and got shot dead, largely due to the primitive gun culture in the US.

There is nowhere in Britain where the possibility of being shot in the 'wrong part of town' is a serious consideration.

It's about time the USA entered the 21st century, and stopped the opportunity for these needless murders.

www.bbc.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

edit on 18-4-2011 by Sherlock Holmes because: Shocking grammatical error !

how funny!
I gotta tell ya something dude.
The only people in the world that hold up the British as the icon for civility and liberty, safety and security is the british.
My guess it's presented in this high and lofty manner as the safety measure, the callous around that part of the brain that desires freedom and liberty, for subjugating your liberties for that false sense of security you boast about, lol. Really, this coming from a brit also helps us all understand that sense of comedy that the brits think only they understand in all it's complexities, IRONY....lol

The US has a tenancy to mollycoddle criminals and especially gangs. We have a slew of liberal judges that hand out slaps on the wrist instead of real punishment for crimes. Take this case for example. This 16 year old may be tried as an adult, but there is zero chance he will be given the death penalty for his crime, although he absolutely deserves it. This case will go on for years as his lawyers file appeal after appeal. There will be no real justice served.

And what of the rest of the gang he was being initiated into? The law out to come down hard on every member of the gang. But you know what will happen? Some politician with rocks in his head will decide that what they really need is midnight basketball, or some other stupid after-school program. So nothing will ever change. My brother lives in Sarasota and gangs are out of control in some parts of the city.

As far as guns go...It is highly unlikely the 2nd amendment will be repealed, but the gov't could restrict the manufacture & sale all they want. They could make guns and ammo a lot harder to get. I still do not think this would stop or slow down the murder rate though.

Originally posted by Nite_wing
If found this on Snopes.

Scary Doctor Facts
This is really something to think about:
A. The number of physicians in the US is 700,000
B. Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year is 120,000
C. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171 (US Dept of Health & Human
Services).
Then think about this:
A. The number of gun owners in the US is 80,000,000.
B. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is 1,500.
C. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188.
Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than
gun owners.
FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.
Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors
before this gets out of hand.

SWIMMING POOLS TOO!!!
Swimming pools kill more kids than guns per owner/user. Man, save the kids, ban swimming pools.
dang it. I have never owned a gun in my life, and wasn't intending to either.
But I was thinking of getting a swimming pool AND thinking of seeing a Dr. for that annoying "scratch" , but what? I should buy a gun instead to be safer?...I'm getting confused with all this logic....Is this that british irony thing that I am not supposed to understand unless I am british? aND WHAT IS THAT WEDDING THING THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT? is that supoposed to be important or something?

Originally posted by Wildbob77


I was in Ecuador a few years ago. We went to one popular tourist area and were contemplating going for a hike. There were police near the start of the hike warning people that two US tourists had been raped and killed a couple of weeks before. The police had tracked down the suspects and killed them, but they were not sure that those were the actual killers. We chose not to hike there.

" The police had tracked down the suspects and killed them, but they were not sure that those were the actual killers. " Sounds like in Ecuador you have more reason to fear the police than the criminals without badges!

reply to post by Sherlock Holmes


Is it about gun ownership?

Gun ownership is deelply rooted in Swiss culture....yet..gun crime is so low stastics are not kept.

The country has a population of six million, but there are estimated to be at least two million publicly-owned firearms, including about 600,000 automatic rifles and 500,000 pistols

BBC link


I dislike guns and don't want to see them legal in the UK, but I see the problems with gun or knife crime as a social enonomic one rather than ownership.

reply to post by DZAG Wright


You are right in one regard. Just owning a gun doesn't do anything to make you safer. If it is locked up in a safe, you have never fired it, and it isn't accessible, then it isn't much good. Still, a criminal doesn't know that, so just having the right of owning the gun is still a deterrent that helps a little bit.

Also, if someone is intentionally targeted, there isn't much of a chance to defend yourself. It is always a good idea to not make enemies that will hunt you down.

Most people need protection from amateurs. A gun in the hands of an experienced handler is very effective at defense against a petty criminal or amateur.

I prefer to kill people with ballistic knives and chemicals.

Guns are too easily traced.

Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Lets stop with the myths that a person having a gun stops many of these incidents. It's a lie.

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It's you who are lying, or at best misinformed:

civilliberty.about.com...

Kleck has his critics but his surveys have now been duplicated about half a dozen times with similar results. The only ones seriously claiming he's wrong at this point are those whose agenda will not permit them to do anything else.

I didn't participate in his studies but I have used a legal gun to defend myself. In my case merely showing the gun convinced the bad guy to run away.

What people in the UK and other parts of the world fail to understand is we have a large, violent, uncivilized criminal underclass. A well known fact is that a certain small protected racial minority is responsible for almost half of all violent crime committed in the US. Racial sensitivity and political correctness requires we pretend this fact has no meaning rather than investigate and possibly change it. Life around the world is in the process of getting much harder as national economies collapse. I believe it will be much harder to justify governmental racism such as mandated preferential treatment based on skin color and contract set-asides when the very basics of life become difficult to obtain. Socialism and political correctness are headed for the scrap heap of history but probably not before total collapse of the world economy.

Here we have two British tourists who went to the wrong side of town, and got shot dead, largely due to the primitive gun culture in the US.

And you think this 16 year old LEGALLY acquired this weapon... No sir. Witness statements claim the men were banging on cars, etc. in the neighborhood, drunkenly. While still not deserving of death...they obviously stumbled into the wrong neighborhood....while drawing attention to themselves.

That said though, the 16 yr old needs to be locked away from society (and no doubt, whatever other gangbangers were involved, because you know he wasn't alone in this).... If we had Britain's laws, it still wouldn't have prevented this, because the kid can't legally own the weapon anyhow.

In FL, you have to be 21 to legally purchase a handgun or handgun ammo. (you can be 18 and do so in a private sale...but again, you have the ammo problem).

So, as you can see it WAS against the law for this boy to have a gun, and yet still, these two individuals are dead. Adopting England's laws wouldn't have changed anything here.

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
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I always have a double take when I hear someone from the US saying something along the lines of: ''what if a burglar enters my house with a gun''. Here in Britain, a burglar carrying a firearm is practically unheard of, and if this happens in the US, then you've got a whole host of issues within your society that need to be corrected.

This issue is silly at best.
If a person enters my house with or without a gun, i promise that they had at least a knife.
Why was it from my kitchens signature collection?
Why they grabbed it to use it on me.
But either way, say said individual gets into my house and past my growling alarm system, partially showcased to the left (Avatar) and then smacks me with a club and ties me up.
What they do from there and with what really does not matter.
Plus i do not care to give a criminal the advantage in a melee confrontation with him being warmed up and me fresh out of bed.
If you notice yes i am primitive, i have the worlds oldest and BEST alarm system in use.
With this alarm system it generally lets even morons know that my home is no soft target and they will be harmed if they enter, thus saving their life.
So yeah i got my boomstick but it is hardly my first choice, my first choice is to not be bothered and live in peace.
Ball is in your court.