Why do people defend Islamofascists?

I'm tired of hearing people say "it's their way of life. We must be tolerant of them." No, that's not their way of life. People haven't always lived under so many extreme rulers. Countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, or Turkey where they have a more secular government aren't necessarily an outlier in the Middle-East. The problem is that usurpers have taken control of the governments in the Middle-East because we propped them up there in the first place after the Cold War and now we're paying the price for our intervention. It's not their way of life. It's the extremists way of life.

Once in power the Taliban became an authoritarian regime with very hard line views. Islamic punishments including execution and loss of hands for crime were introduced; Television, cinema and music were banned as a corrupting influence. Women above the age of 10 were forbidden to work or be educated; dress codes with men being required to grow a beard and women to wear the full Burqa were introduced and enforced by the religious police. Such policies brought them into conflict with the international community concerned over the rights of women and general abuse of human rights. The Taliban did bring the end to the infighting and unlike many before them made great progress at eradicating the growing of opium poppies. At first the Taliban laws banned the growing of the drug were not widely enforced but by 2001 they had reduced the growing of poppy drastically. Sadly for the rest of the world when the coalition disposed the regime poppy production returned to previous levels with Afghanistan supplying approx 87% of the world’s opium.

www.historyofwar.org...

No one should be defending the Taliban. No one should be defending the current mainstream Islamic courts. There are many things in the Islamic society to be praised and many things that deserve criticism.

I don't understand why people defend them. Not everyone in the Middle-East is an Islamofascist. Fascists of any society deserve to be criticized. Why are we fed this propaganda that we must accept these things as they are?

Because political correctness is out of control. Making judgments of any kind is considered "intolerant". Intolerance is worse than murder, rape and pedophilia combined in a liberal's mind.

Its because they are scared to be against anything which is different.

Remember the first rule of the left is;

If your asian/black/ muslim you cannot be racist.

Who actually is defending them -- extremists are extremists weather they are blowing up abortion clinics mosques churches or federal buildings in Oklahoma.

So who actually is defending them -- names, citations, please.

reply to post by Frankidealist35


Let them vote and they will Sharia law, Let them be. I don't see how this bothers so many people, It's not like your living in the middle east you know.

p.s We must tolerate American BS music and movies (money, sex, drugs) no matter where the hell we go and not all of us like them so get used to it.

Originally posted by Haydn_17
Its because they are scared to be against anything which is different.

Remember the first rule of the left is;

If your asian/black/ muslim you cannot be racist.

So, "they" are scared of anything thats different...and then in the next sentence, you blame "the left"....

How hilarious, that you cant even understand the irony in your own post.

ETA: and even sadder that you got stars.

Nearly every county in this World is Fascist. US is a good example - Uk is another - Australia is not that far off. Why pin point one country when there is a wealth of others that are just as bad if not worse than the Taliban. US for example believe that they are well within their right to do as they please when they please (Guantanamo Bay is a lovely example), they hold themselves well and truly above the law (again pretending that is morals that is behind their reasoning). If you gonna talk Fascism - then you should pretty much include a majority of the World political powers......and countries...

reply to post by spyder550


There are people that seem to think that wearing a Burqa is part of an accepted way of life in the Middle-East (relijournal.com...) when in reality it has been forced upon these people by their governments and their way of life has been shoved down their throats.

We do not. They are truly horrible.
However, enemies of radical and violent Islam just frequently wash them together with normal Islamic cultures and their defenders. Plus there is a history of anti-Muslim bias in the West recently - much like the hatred of Jews in Germany.
Westerners also tend to forget that their riches and development came many times over from long centuries of colonialism, and most Islamic countries suffered that.
Recently we supported medieval, communist and fascist people in Islamic countries just to be able to buy theor oil cheaply at a monopoly. The rise of what you call Islamofascism is directly attributable to these two trends.
Plus recently we are full of racists and xenophobes and pureblood types. Former colonial nations like Britain and France passed laws when stripped of colonies so that the remnants of their conquistadores should be able to repatriate. Unfortunately, it is usually not those people that took advantage of these repatriation laws but normal Pakistanis, Arab Algerians etc.
Hence Europe is flooded with Islamic refugees - which is partly due to the previous doings of the accepting countries. Those people feel hated and discriminated so more and more of them opt for radical, violent gestures - like what certain people coined here Islamofascism.

The situation is deteriorating and we are not at the winning end. Western civilization will only survive if it can integrate those that were pushed back for centuries.
I believe what is happening in Egypt is similar to what was happening in the 19th century bourgeois revolutions of Europe.
Turkey should be let into the EU.
So again, I am defending Islamic countries but no for the fascicts and the terrorists. I can understand their desperation though I would not like to be Palestinian. I would not agree to Israel's dissolution either though.

reply to post by The_Seeker


I completely disagree. I think most countries in the world are fascist. That includes the US and the UK. Almost all countries meet the criteria of fascism except for the state-socialism or state communism ones. Most of the countries use nationalism and external threats to put fear in the internal population in order to get them to accept further sacrifices of their liberties.

the islamisists have a different non usery non debt based currency
to be fascist you have to have a debt based central bank system and a corprotocratic government
masquerading as"democracy"
"give me control of the currency..bla bla bla...lord western banker"

what's the first thing the western controlled al CIA duh rebels did in Lybia?
start their own central bank..
to replace the non facsist libyan bank...duh!


IMHO
the thread is a miserable attempt to perpetrate the big lie-"Islamofascist"
fail
sorry...

Originally posted by Haydn_17
Its because they are scared to be against anything which is different.

Remember the first rule of the left is;

If your asian/black/ muslim you cannot be racist.

Speak for yourself. I am on the left and do not agree with that statement at all...


In fact I am the first to point out that anyone and everyone is capable of being racist.... So please, before YOU go and make prejudice statements about an entire group of people, think next time, alright?

Now, let's not pretend that right wing voter are smart and left wing voters are ignorant. Notice a pattern here? You're placing the whole a a group of people into one category. This is called prejudice. I don't assume any two people from any group are the same... In fact THAT would be ignorant of me to do so.

If you think that there are only ignorant voters on the left side, I suggest you turn to your right and have a look around. No two left wingers believe exactly the same politically, same goes for the right.

Now as for the idea of not allowing ignorant people to vote. How about a history lesson. There was a time in which a test was administered to determine of you were smart enough to vote. The problem with that is the ones who administered this test would be dishonest and would fail them even if they passed? They would only give this test to minorities... It was put in place as a way to keep minorities ( specifically black people) Out of the voting booths....

Now that is not to say, that this would be the reason to turn away voters today, but that is the history of such efforts to turn away certain voters...

Now I want to know, who would write the test? Who would be in charge of deciding what is ignorant and what is not? Who would ensure that they would be graded in a non biased manner? Who would be willing to violate the constitution and deny people their right to vote, in order to implement such an idea?Who would handle the astounding amount of lawsuits and complaints that would take place due to peoples rights being violated?

Will you? I wont.

Look, the bottom line is that No two people have the exact same political beliefs. Trying to say one of them is ignorant and not allowing them to vote, because they have different beliefs, or perhaps don't know what Roe V Wade was about, is just, ignorant....

You don't have to know the history of everything in order to make a choice that you feel is wise as for who should run the country. You or I or Jim Bob down the street is just as capable of making up their own mind as to who should be president after listening to each candidate and considering what they have to say.

Now, just because you think my choice is the wrong one, does not make it is so, does it? Same goes for me and my thoughts on your choice.

We all have the right to vote ( Except for felons who lost that right)... Take away that right, and watch the country die faster than ever... The PEOPLE are what will save this country. Turn the people away from the voting booths and you will have made a huge mistake.

reply to post by Frankidealist35


Unfortunately, the distinction between extremists and believers (of all persuasions) is fuzzy, and always will be.

Categorising people under labels of any type may be useful for statistics but is unfair to the vast majority of individuals who unadvertently get "badged" with some generalisation that does not really apply to them.

When you point to someone else, be aware that there are three fingers pointing at yourself.

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by The_Seeker

 

I completely disagree. I think most countries in the world are fascist. That includes the US and the UK. Almost all countries meet the criteria of fascism except for the state-socialism or state communism ones. Most of the countries use nationalism and external threats to put fear in the internal population in order to get them to accept further sacrifices of their liberties.

Mate did you actually read what I wrote?

Go into a thread about Science that attempts to refute the Bible in some way. You will see nearly every single believer in the Bible come to it's defense regardless of how different their beliefs are or contradict each other. It is the religious book that matters.

I think people will defend fundamentalist Islam in a belief that the Qur'an is under attack. Regardless of what is being discussed people feel that their religious beliefs are under attack if their book is under attack. Religious books are the glue for religion. If you attack a religion often times people will feel that if they also believe in that same book they are under attack as well.

reply to post by Haydn_17


That's pretty ironic.

So people have to be scared of that which is different from them?

No more veils for Muslim women = No more skinny jeans for western men. Fair enough?

reply to post by Frankidealist35


Why has their way of life suddenly become a huge threat after 9/11 when they have lived on this same planet as you for 1400 years before 9/11?

The same islamists you talk about were funded and armed by CIA/West and now they have become terrorists. the same story is being repeated in Libya and Ivory Coast right now.

Blaming everything on muslims even though they are the ones who are getting raped, wars waged against, countries totally obliterated and millions dead for Western interests doesn't make sense at all.

To obscure their truely fascist credentials?

From each end of the spectrum, all forms of government are, by definition, fascist.

All forms of government promote control of the common man to the government definition of the greater good.

All forms of government enact policy that limits personal freedom.

All forms of government create secret elitist cabals that seek to protect and enhance their own interests.

All forms of government will eventually agree, 'some animals are more equal...'.

If you disagree, show me a government that has ever existed that did not abuse it's authority over the governed.

Resident Evil Libertarian here...

What about letting them live thier lives the way they see fit and mind your own business.

We are not the golden standard for human existance.

If they want women to were cloaks then so be it. Its thier choice. Not yours.

It may be wrong/sexist. But its not your choice to make.

Fascism is when people think they should run other people lives. Do you think you should run muslim people's lives? Are they human are cattle?

Humanity with extinct themselves unless they can find a way to live in harmony with people that have different beliefs/ideals than them without wanting to "change" them.

Solution: Let them be.