Ok, you dont think aliens built pyramids? Explain this.

This is a website I found with some good shots of Sacsayhuaman.

www.downtheroad.org...

From what I understand the Conquestedors took most of the smaller rocks on top of the walls to build their houses away from this site, so the tops of the walls may seem extraordinarily uneven.

But if you will, just.....look.....at......this......stonework!!!

I stared at it for 15 min, and my brain hurt from it. It will happen to you too , just look at it for any length of time. Not all the pics are of the wall, and not all are good, but the ones that are will have you hypnotized. I like the 5th pic from the bottom

I want to say more about how I think they did this, but my brain hurts from trying just to conceptualize this structure. My personal beliefs are that it was not necessarliy E.T.'s that built it, but certianly spiritualy based, intelligent humans, their knowledge of course being long forgotton, if only by the ones that control us.

Two MAJOR problems exist for meno make it 3)
1.How did they cut those patterns in the rock that apparntly not even a blade of grass will fit through?
2.How did they move those rocks into position, into the patterns?(If thats even faintly how they did it, Im trying to remember that may not be how it was done at all, and that in fact Im destroying my whole process by insisting that the stones were first cut, then moved into place.)
3.And perhaps the most important question is WHY??????
Basically they had to defend against arrows, and slings at that time, not to mention the apparently ENORMUS ammount of work that went into carving all the angles. There really is no need for this, I mean C'mon!

Anyways I hope you read what I just typed, and that it made sense and that its not just a stupid repost.

later

Originally posted by Scolecite
Two MAJOR problems exist for me

no make it 3)
1.How did they cut those patterns in the rock that apparntly not even a blade of grass will fit through?
2.How did they move those rocks into position, into the patterns?(If thats even faintly how they did it, Im trying to remember that may not be how it was done at all, and that in fact Im destroying my whole process by insisting that the stones were first cut, then moved into place.)
3.And perhaps the most important question is WHY??????
Basically they had to defend against arrows, and slings at that time, not to mention the apparently ENORMUS ammount of work that went into carving all the angles. There really is no need for this, I mean C'mon!

Anyways I hope you read what I just typed, and that it made sense and that its not just a stupid repost.

later

1) A hammer and chisel? Ever seen polished marble or granit? Artist still do it frequently.
2) Rope and manpower?
3) For the same reason many temple had the best crafmanship possible. Mosolus had a tomb covered in not only perfectly fit marble stones, but also polished marble statues and reliefs. And that was just one man's tomb.

You think thats cool, look what the romans did with carved stones. They didn't even slack off and just cut puzzle pieces, they cut all the stones the same size. And on top of that they had arches. And these are still standing 2000 years later. What the heck do aliens have to do with good craftmanship?

1. Ive seen marble statues, and Ive never gotten a headache when I tried to think of how they did it. Using a hammer and chisel makes sense for carving, but not for Sacsayhuaman.
2. The big stones weigh 150-300 tons! Ok?
3. That Mosolus tomb looks like childs play compared to Sacsayhuaman. You can at least SEE how Mosolus done. Ok one stone on top of the other, and then the other and so on. THe stones can be picked up off the ground with a small group of people. Totally different scale. All the shapes are simple square or rectangle shapes in the Mosolus tomb..

Originally posted by Scolecite
1. Ive seen marble statues, and Ive never gotten a headache when I tried to think of how they did it. Using a hammer and chisel makes sense for carving, but not for Sacsayhuaman.
2. The big stones weigh 150-300 tons! Ok?
3. That Mosolus tomb looks like childs play compared to Sacsayhuaman. You can at least SEE how Mosolus done. Ok one stone on top of the other, and then the other and so on. THe stones can be picked up off the ground with a small group of people. Totally different scale. All the shapes are simple square or rectangle shapes in the Mosolus tomb..

1) How does using a hammer and chisel "not make sense"...its carved stone.
2) 150-300 tons? Where did you get those figures? The bigest ones in those pictures look 2 tons tops.
3) Direct Quote from your link "The indents in the rock were used to move the rock into place." Not only were they moved by people, but the markings from it are still there.

Oh, and you can't see anything on mosolus' tomb...its gone. That is a picture of Roman Aqueducts...as I said.

[edit on 27-7-2004 by Quest]

It's one thing to go "oh wow thats amazing, how did they do that", and then to leap to the conclusion "Humans didn't do it, aliens did".

1 You have NO EVIDENCE that they DIDN"T do that
2 You have NO EVIDENCE that aliens were there at the time
3 You have NO EVIDENCE that aliens even really exist
4 You have NO EVIDENCE that they were not smart enough to use some technique, or ability or knolwedge that has been lost to us, or not learned yet by us, to do it.

Therefore you have no logical ability to say anything except that you don't know how it was done

If UFOs did that, the ancient community would have worshipped them as gods, and surely there would be trace of it. Anyway , the ancient technology was quite amazing, and the maths skill was also at a great level. They didn't just put those stones there, they planned every detail.

I agree with the others here, its simply a magnificant structure. Nonetheless it was created with human hands, legs and ingenuity. No aliens were needed as we have shown time and time again to be crafty and able to create such structures. That is all.

Originally posted by Quest

Originally posted by Scolecite
1. Ive seen marble statues, and Ive never gotten a headache when I tried to think of how they did it. Using a hammer and chisel makes sense for carving, but not for Sacsayhuaman.
2. The big stones weigh 150-300 tons! Ok?
3. That Mosolus tomb looks like childs play compared to Sacsayhuaman. You can at least SEE how Mosolus done. Ok one stone on top of the other, and then the other and so on. THe stones can be picked up off the ground with a small group of people. Totally different scale. All the shapes are simple square or rectangle shapes in the Mosolus tomb..

1) How does using a hammer and chisel "not make sense"...its carved stone.
2) 150-300 tons? Where did you get those figures? The bigest ones in those pictures look 2 tons tops.
3) Direct Quote from your link "The indents in the rock were used to move the rock into place." Not only were they moved by people, but the markings from it are still there.

Oh, and you can't see anything on mosolus' tomb...its gone. That is a picture of Roman Aqueducts...as I said.

[edit on 27-7-2004 by Quest]

1. Where are the hammers and chisels that they used. You would think that if they were harder than the stone you would find some relics? No?
2. According to many sites, the big stones are 150 TONS. Dont take my word for it, do some research.
3. I thouht your picture was of Mosolus tomb, my bad. There was some confusion because of that. And the indents on the rock COULD have been used(its just a theory, the site I gave you was a tourists pics not information), but notice NOT every rock has them. If every rock had them then it would be different.

DID ANYONE EVEN READ MY POST, I SAID ALIENS OR INTELLIGENT HUMANS WITH KNOWLEDGE LOST TO US Sorry didnt think it would be that big

I never said it HAD to be aliens.

[edit on 27-7-2004 by Scolecite]

First off, stop yelling.

Secondly, it was humans, and the knowlege was not lost...why do you say the knowlege was lost?

[edit on 27-7-2004 by sensfan]

I remember reading an article once about a group of monks in Tibet, whom through music could levitate and manuever very heavy blocks into place.

paranormal.about.com...

EXCERPT:
"In the middle of the meadow. about 250 metres from the cliff, was a polished slab of rock with a bowl like cavity in the center. The bowl had a diameter of one metre and a depth of 15 centimeters. A block of stone was maneuvered into this cavity by Yak oxen. The block was one metre wide and one and one-half metres long. Then 19 musical instruments were set in an arc of 90 degrees at a distance of 63 metres from the stone slab. The radius of 63 metres was measured out accurately. The musical instruments consisted of 13 drums and six trumpets. (Ragdons).

Behind each instrument was a row of monks. When the stone was in position the monk behind the small drum gave a signal to start the concert. The small drum had a very sharp sound, and could be heard even with the other instruments making a terrible din. All the monks were singing and chanting a prayer, slowly increasing the tempo of this unbelievable noise. During the first four minutes nothing happened, then as the speed of the drumming, and the noise increased, the big stone block started to rock and sway, and suddenly it took off into the air with an increasing speed in the direction of the platform in front of the cave hole 250 metres high. After three minutes of ascent it landed on the platform.

Continuously they brought new blocks to the meadow, and the monks using this method, transported 5 to 6 blocks per hour on a parabolic flight track approximately 500 metres long and 250 metres high. From time to time a stone split, and the monks moved the split stones away. Quite an unbelievable task..."

Personally I believe this technique along with a good amount of physical labor was how the ancient structures, such as pyramids and this place were built.

Its quite impressive non the less. But I have to go with the more mundane notion. Human ingenuity. Which if you think of it , isnt all that mundane , these structures are quite impressive.

Humans are the most amazing creatures ever to exist (my opionion). The things we have acomplished is incredible. There is no doubt that man hzas the power to build pryamids and those archs. i believe aliens exists, but if they came and helped us out thousands of years ago building structures, why don't they come and visit us again? If humans did not have the capability to build these structures, why do you think that aliens would?

I see no "knowledge lost to us" as you put it. I mean are you serious man, maybe this "knowledge" is lost too...you. But the rest of mankind seams to understand that with a couple tools, alot of man power, and direction from lets say a "forman/leader/engineer" that this wall was built and could be rebuilt in that same process, if they wanted to prove to poeple like you.

Aliens made this wall! Knowledge lost to mankind!

Get out of the house dude, you are still in the stone age.

I stared at it for 15 min, and my brain hurt from it. It will happen to you too , just look at it for any length of time. Not all the pics are of the wall, and not all are good, but the ones that are will have you hypnotized. I like the 5th pic from the bottom

Well, my brain neither hurt nor did I get hypnotized looking at the pics. I did get bored looking at them. Nothing amazing there, or at least nothing that I haven't seen that would make any other ancient acheivement look less incredible. I do however want the 5 minutes it took for all the pictures on the website to load up back.

Sorry buddy, nothing to get excited over here. Just manpower and crude tools to blame for this. That's all.

I would like my 5 mins. back too please. That was a complete waste of my life time and my employers money.

Originally posted by katt06
Humans are the most amazing creatures ever to exist (my opionion). The things we have acomplished is incredible. There is no doubt that man hzas the power to build pryamids and those archs. i believe aliens exists, but if they came and helped us out thousands of years ago building structures, why don't they come and visit us again? If humans did not have the capability to build these structures, why do you think that aliens would?

If aliens had visited the Earth it was probably be accident. The Universe as we know it is HUGE. Billions and billion of LIGHT-YEARS in all directions. One light-year is equal to approximatley 9,500,000,000,000 kilometes. For the same aliens to find Earth again would be like searching the ocean for that same grand of sand you lost 2000+ years ago. Good Luck.

But that is why they will not be back if they were here at all.

Interesting post.

The way those stones are so neatly placed onto and next to one another is amazing. What type of material is the rock made out of? Also how old is this formation?

You do have to wonder how they did it, but more information is needed (stone type, utensils possibly used, etc...).

That mentally moving stone theory is very interesting. I believe that we all have telekinetic abilities, but it is too weak and lost in one person alone. If a group of people are brought together and they focus their thoughts on one object together, you never know what will happen.

btw, stop attacking the original poster. He's simply stated maybe the method used to created, shape and place these stones was given to the people by intelligent beings and the knowledge has since been lost.

Originally posted by HumptyDumpty
I see no "knowledge lost to us" as you put it.

I mean are you serious man, maybe this "knowledge" is lost too...you. But the rest of mankind seams to understand that with a couple tools, alot of man power, and direction from lets say a "forman/leader/engineer" that this wall was built and could be rebuilt in that same process, if they wanted to prove to poeple like you.

Aliens made this wall!

Knowledge lost to mankind!

Get out of the house dude, you are still in the stone age.

How come countless scientists, engineers, and egyptologists would disagree with you? Suddenly your an expert on this? Dude you need to read a book and educate yourself on how precise most of these formations are built.

Originally posted by porky1981
Interesting post.

The way those stones are so neatly placed onto and next to one another is amazing. What type of material is the rock made out of? Also how old is this formation?

Porky I want to brainstorm on perhaps how the stones were not neatly placed next to eachother. What if the wall was constructed a different way. I think we all get locked into the paridigm that one stone was set there, then the next, then the next so on and so forth. I cant really imagine another way to do it, but again this is brainstorming material. The formation acording to science was made in 1500, but of course the spaniards at that time, write nothing of their building, and same with the Incans. Obviously they are much older.

Originally posted by ScoleciteHow come countless scientists, engineers, and egyptologists would disagree with you? Suddenly your an expert on this? Dude you need to read a book and educate yourself on how precise most of these formations are built.

I have read extensive information on these subjects.

I also think that people underestimate the capabilitys of old contruction methods and understanding of contruction techniques. I also think that people underestimate the pride and hard work put into these structures.

There can be many reason that these contruction methods are not passed on tho ther civilizations. For one why would you reveal how you made walls that were almost indestructable with the wepons they had in the day. Wouldnt you want to be the only civilization in the area that had a barrier that was not only for protection, but also haveing astronomical capabilitys which were also extremely important to these civilizations.

Another thing is the pride/religious belife/astronomical belife of what they were building. This would have been like sending people to the moon, or sending the first camera into space to help identify the heavens.

In conclusion, its my opinion that these walls in question where not built with extraterestrial help, or some kind of lost/divine knowledge. I think that these walls were built with and extreme amount of pride and forsight as to what the finished product would be. What ever the main purpose for these walls and structures would be for. These would have had to be built with the instruction from a very skilled, knowlegable, maybe genious person/persons. These structures would, in my opinion, not be passed along contruction methods, just as our militarys of the days do not reveal defence information.