Man Gets Arrested For Making Joke In New York City

OMG I am haing a hard time not crying! They say we don't have enough police thats why there is so much crime! they have all those guys on one bike rider and a guy who tells a joke! What kind of country have we become as they release murders after a few months and keep people who do nothing!

Originally posted by fordrew
reply to post by defcon5

 

That is BS. I have lived in NYC for a year and I use to avoid the cops often. People should not be avoiding the cops. If you slip up (drive in a bus lane, bike on sidewalk) they will hand out the tickets like candy. Talk back to them and you will find yourself in deeper trouble.

Why? Because they can't hand out more tickets if you are making a situation of yourself, so they will try to escalate the situation to tack on more crimes therefore increase amount of charges brought upon you. More charges = more $$$. Its all about the money.

You won't see this outside major cities I suppose. New York being the worst. Cop's job in New York is to hand out tickets not protect and serve. I have seen this on several occasions.

edit on 16-4-2011 by fordrew because: (no reason given)

No I think it is starting to be everywhere. No longer are the local police your refuge and friend. We live in a small town, everyone in any car gets all quiet and nervous when we see police cars, we always try to turn off somewhere right off because if not they will tailgate you until for any possible reason they stop you.
One day my husband and I were pulled over and were told that I in the passenger seat was not wearing my seat belt..untrue I always wear it...soIi said no I have it on, he said, " I SAW YOU pull it over your shoulder while I was behind you!" (tail gating us for miles)
...what had happened is my seat belt rubs my chin I am short I pulled it away from my shoulder to ease the rubbing...he saw my hand and assumed I was just pulling my seat belt on.
He tickets us, telling me you can't pull your seat belt away from your shoulder it HAS to be against your body! I start crying...been a bad day and I can't believe we are being harassed like this when we were doing NOTHING wrong!!!

Originally posted by areyouserious2010
Lets approach this with a level head for a second.

The NYPD stopped the man on the bicycle for riding on the sidewalk.

If you live in New York City, I can imagine that you could understand why this law is in place. Because of the dense population of the city and its sidewalks, a law was passed mandating that people travelling by bicycle use the street and follow all appropriate traffic laws while doing so. I am sure that the cause of passing this law is that several people were struck by bicycles while walking on the sidewalk or bicyclists transfering from using the sidewalk to using the street caused them to be struck by a vehicle.

This law is a matter of safety. It may be hard to relate to this line of thinking when you live in a suburban area or small town because the volume of people is no where near New York City.

The police are enforcing this law, not because they are trying to satisfy a quota but, because it is a problem for the city which needs enforcement to promote public safety.

The man walks by and yells several comments to the man stopped by the police.

This is not an argument of free speech. In the United States, you have the right to say anything you want. It was not what he said that got him in trouble.

Many states have many different laws reguarding disorderly conduct and hindering a police investigation.

When it comes to disorderly conduct, the man not only made his comments but he yelled them causing a scene. The man then persisted yelling his comments as he walked down the street causing more of a scene and drawing attention to himself and the situation.

Disorderly conduct laws promote the right of people to be able to walk down a public street or be in a public place in peace. There obviously is a fine line between a persons right to act a certain way and disorderly conduct. It is a police officer's responsibility to make that determination. It is the court's responsibility to find them guilty or innocent.

Laws reguarding hindering a police investigation are to promote an officer's ability to invest his or her efforts in dealing with the situation or investigation at hand in order to gather the neccessary facts and bring it to a conclusion. The man yelling his comments at the man on the bicycle not only drew the man on the bicycle's attention away from the stop but also the police officer's attention as well. This man's actions hindered the officer's ability, however slightly, to issue a citation and have the man on the bicycle on his way.

After the comments, you observed the officer go through a pretty conservative system of escalation. The officer first told the man to mind his business from inside the police van. The man had two choices, continue walking or yell back at the officer diverting more attetion to himself and away from the matter at hand. The man chose to yell back. The officer then stopped him and asked for identification clearly stating that he was going to issue a "summons" or criminal citation. The man had two choices, either provide identification so a citation could be issued or refuse. The man refused.

There are many different laws in many different states reguarding the police demanding identification. For the most part, a police officer can ASK for identification whenever he or she wants. For the most part, a police officer can only DEMAND identification when he or she is directly investigating a particular crime or suspicion of a particular crime.

In this situation, the officer was going to issue a criminal citation in leiu of arresting the man. A criminal citation requires the person to be positively identified. The man refused to provide identification so the only choice was to arrest him and positively identify him at the station.

If you pay attention to the video and know a minimal amount of the law you can clearly see that the man chose his own fate. There were several opportunities to make a decision that effected the outcome. The man made the wrong decision at every turn.

BOIL IT ALL DOWN...there are bigger problems for them to deal with for the money we are paying them!
they could have said .."keep walking" to the guy...they should have made sure the guy with the bike had just came from the building and was heading for the street and let him go!
They ALL of them ignored the J-walker right in front of them!
When they pull you over for doing 60 in a 55 zone they usual ignore the guy whizzing by at 80! Where are the priorities! How many cops to screw in a light bulb?

reply to post by fordrew

I don't get how many of you don't see the guy...NOT yelling but talking as loud as the joking requirse..the bike guy is joking bake with him..yeah should have left my training wheels on! i don't see anger in either of them, they are both just joking because hah! you got stopped ridding your bike on the sidewalk...what the walker is saying is kindof like being supportive of the guy while the police are harrassing him ino.giving him another poor slob to talk too..in there together..

Originally posted by Quasar_La-Zar
The great American revolution is coming

Civil war is the only answer that I see from this, tyrannical police will not exist like this forever, this is just a dark part of humanities history, where we are all monetary slaves and they are our sheep dogs.

I myself, will be preparing for said day.

Some one give us a leader we are ready!

Originally posted by brindle

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by brindle
When in doubt,always refer to rule number 1-dont scream at cops.If you get confused,you can always refer to rule number 3--if I continually scream at cops,I may get my ass kicked,get tasered to the nutsack,fined, jailed or all of the above.If you have a serious doubt about what to do in a situation,Refer to rule number 4--by continuing on with my actions,most likely I will spend the evening in jail.Is this where I want to spend the rest of my night?If you answer no,keep your mouth shut.If the answer is yes,continue on screaming.

You're a very compliant person...they'd love you in prison! When Big Harry tells you to tossthesalad I guess you'd comply with no problem?

The entire point is, that police puts his pants on the same as I do, he has no more authority over a free person than I do. That man could walk past and yell whatever he wants. He was in no way interferring with that officers job. Now if the guy has any knowledge, that officers job is in danger and the city is at risk of losing a couple dollars.

No,you cant walk by people and scream whatever you want.This is called disorderly conduct.This is a misdeameanor crime.Repeat 100 times ,maybe it will sink into your head,Repeatedly screaming at people in public is disorderly conduct.

Do you know thse guys? that might have been a friend of his from that neighborhood...they guy on the bike responded jokingly also...you deffinatly can joke with anyone you want on the street if they choose to offended you can applogize. I do not see him screaming at anyone!
When he realize the cop took exception to his joking around he says ..."but i was not talking to you"...when he realizes they were taking issue he trys to walk on...THEY won't let him just walk on...

reply to post by brindle

How does interacting with a fellow human being, who shared in his joke, constitute disorderly conduct?

Originally posted by thegasface
props to the camera man.

well if he would have shut up for just a few minuets we could have heard everything clearly ...so half props to camera man.

Something tells me Brindle is a cop - one as crooked as they come.

reply to post by Acidtastic


You act like you're surprised. This is America. Land of "shut up, you're coming with me because I just made up a new law."

For those who still deny that this man was involved in disorderly conduct,I quote wikipedia's definition of disorderly conduct "one who makes unreasonable noise and continues to do so after being asked to stop",also Wikipedia defines disorderly conduct as a person who disrupts a lawful assemby of persons.I think you would be more hard-pressed to find a case any where in the world,on videotape,that more exemplifies the precise definition of disorderly conduct.In fact,the police should use this videotape in their training courses.I mean it fits to the tee the exact definition of disorderly conduct,so much so,that it almost looks like it is a police training video.

Originally posted by brindle
For those who still deny that this man was involved in disorderly conduct,I quote wikipedia's definition of disorderly conduct "one who makes unreasonable noise and continues to do so after being asked to stop",also Wikipedia defines disorderly conduct as a person who disrupts a lawful assemby of persons.I think you would be more hard-pressed to find a case any where in the world,on videotape,that more exemplifies the precise definition of disorderly conduct.In fact,the police should use this videotape in their training courses.I mean it fits to the tee the exact definition of disorderly conduct,so much so,that it almost looks like it is a police training video.

Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.

Great source material

Ok first time poster here so bare with me. I'm from England and although I'm in my late 30's I've never learnt to drive which means that I cycle everywhere, however I also follow the same rules as all the other road users. Although I except that compared to most crimes i.e mugging, burglary, fraud etc it's a very minor crime to ride on the pavement ( Sidewalk to my American friends ) It's STILL wrong and potentially very dangerous! ( Granted if it really was just a couple yards to get on to the road then the cops are taking the pee just a tad! )
However their heavy handed approach to it all does leave alot to be desired, they can be just as ridiculous over here at jumping on the "Little Man" while seemingly turning a blind eye to far more serious stuff. Having said that our "Comedian" in this little farce really didn't help his cause now did he? Unless he had "Previous" with the police whether he thought they were out of line or not the most sensible thing to to would've just been to show his I.D like they requested. It seems that the ONLY reason that he was carted away in cuffs was because of his antagonistic appraoch and refusal to comply with a simple request. I have been stopped will innocently walking home on an evening and seriously whether you think they are out of line and just being jumped up Little Hitlers or not the quickest easiest way to get them to sod off and leave you alone is to just go along with their little game.
Is it annoying? Yes it most certainly is, but they are more often than not just looking for "An excuse" to drag you in, don't react to them and you take away their power!

A message to the policeman:



Nuff said!

Originally posted by brindle
Yeall are like part of the manson family calling cops pigs and insulting the principles of this country.Thank god for the police forces across this great land with amber waves of grain.GOD BLESS AMERICA,home of the brave.I salute you Nypd,even though you gave me a bogus ticket last year for over $100 clams.

yeah man...real brave.

If you were soooo worried about the Principles in the States why are you supporting the pigs who in this video are trampling all over the very same principles you SAY you support????

Wheres your principles???

Originally posted by Cycleiron
Having said that our "Comedian" in this little farce really didn't help his cause now did he?

He's allowed not to help the pigs.

He's even allowed to make jokes.

That's the problem.

We don't need people making excuses for the pigs, we need people to stand up for our rights before we don't have them anymore.

It's all about "civil obedience", you stick your nose into any police business and you are now a top priority.

Witness what local thugs with badges are capable of, and imagine what corrupt federal agents are capable of doing, with complete anonymity, and immunity.... That video would have never been seen by the public, and all witnesses silenced.

These cops are complete idiots, who obviously failed to secure the scene and remove any potential witnesses, and video or other cameras from the area... Then they could have beaten their "suspect" joker to death, put a few bullets in him, planted a gun, called for backup, filed the paperwork, and taken a good long paid vacation.

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
Witness what local thugs with badges are capable of, and imagine what corrupt federal agents are capable of doing, with complete anonymity, and immunity.... That video would have never been seen by the public, and all witnesses silenced.

That's what I'm saying. I can't understand people who give their leaders so much benefit in the doubt, when one brief look at history should shatter whatever faith they seem to have. There is just no reason to be so trusting, period. Period!