Turkey: We wont stop flotilla to Gaza

reply to post by CountDrac


You didn't answer my other questions, but given your response im guessing that if China illegally occupied America, demolished homes, built settlements, controlled your borders, airspace and coast....only allowed in a fraction of the food and medical supplies you and your family/friends and other Americans needed to survive...routinely rounded up Americans and imprisoned them without evidence, even children, routinely performed air strikes in populated areas killing innocent civilians, possibly loved ones...after all this and more, using your logic if an American so much as tries to retaliate against them for this then you would be waging war against China and deserve to be punished?

Honestly, unless you live there, are from there with relatives that live there, it is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS, period. Other countries can handle there foreign policy as they see fit, end of story, notice no matter how bad things are here, others do not get involved, as it should be.

Let other countries worry about themselves and let Americans worry about Americans. Unless there is some GREAT injustice, genocide or a dire national security issue, stay the hell out of it, not our business nor concern.

What gives Israel the right to stop every aid ship going into the country?
Oh that's right, nothing.
They are afraid someone might sneak in weapons? Who cares. They have been 50 percent responsible in creating that local climate of fear. It doesn't give them the right to isolate a whole people into poverty.

reply to post by CountDrac

As for Hamas they are considered a terrorist group by most western countries. So spare me the BS.

What a shock..
The west, mainly the US, consider nearly every ME country to be terrorist states..

Oddly, most ME countries think the same about the west..
Though the ME countries have far more reason to think that considering the west is always invading and killing them.

reply to post by Solomons


I’m not answering because it’s a stupid remark. If the Palestinians wanted real peace they wouldn’t have chosen Hamas as their leadership and they wouldn’t provoke Israel into war and shot rockets daily. Again the West Bank controlled by the PLO is a good example of Palestinian leadership.

Israel is acting like any other country would under those conditions including the US. Lets see the response if Mexico launched 50 rockets a day into a US city.

You answer is one sided and simplifies a complicated situation that has wrongs on both sides. If you want a response don’t ask a question based on an ignorant premise.

reply to post by CountDrac


How is it complicated? Israel is illegally occupying their country...the Palestinians retaliate because of this, surely the simple solution would be for Israel to exist within it's own legally defined borders of june 1967 and stop occupying and building settlements in another peoples country? Hamas have already stated they would agree to this along with the vast majority of the world.

reply to post by Solomons


It wasn’t their country to begin with. In case you don’t know history

1516- Turks controlled Gaza

1832 Egyptians took over

1917 British took over

1947 Egyptians again

Six-day war Israel took over to kick out the Egyptian army and regret it to this day.

Originally posted by CountDrac
reply to post by SyphonX

 

Israel does not confiscate supplies from them, they only confiscate weapons. Do you just let the boats go through and have Iran use them to transfer more weapons into Gaza?

the last intervention was ain illegal act, the boat was boarded in international waters. are you recommening israel break the law again...

reply to post by purplemer


international waters a few miles from gaza and headed to Gaza. They warned them to stop or turn direction before they boarded.

it was a boat headed to Gaza with no intention to stop so what does in matter where they stopped them...

reply to post by CountDrac

international waters a few miles from gaza and headed to Gaza. They warned them to stop or turn direction before they boarded.

And your idea of a few miles is??

Israel had NO right to tell any vessel to turn or stop in international waters...

Your missing the point. Our country is bankrupt, we can't afford further interference in other countries foreign policy any further. Who cares if Israel refuses the flotilla? It could be caring weapons for all we know, point is, it is not our business to police there waters, it is theres.

Gaza is there problem now and to a lesser extent, that side of the worlds, the Middle East and Europe can hash this out without American interference, trust me.

reply to post by backinblack


point is they were on the way to gaza. would have been the same outcome...

Originally posted by CountDrac
reply to post by backinblack

 

point is they were on the way to gaza. would have been the same outcome...

No that's not the point..

Point is, they attacked a foreign vessel at night in international waters..

reply to post by CountDrac


Collectively punishing the Gazan people is also a provocation. While the world doesn't want to PIMP slap Israel, the world is using very creative means to break through the humiliation. Turkey and other European nations finally breaking the silence, and finally breaking free from the Zionist black mail of holocaust.

Read it

We should stop bitching and recognize Israel as what it EXACTLY is. A terror-nation that has broken countless international laws over and over again the past few decades. A nation that has been committing nothing less than genocide to reach their goal (And then they cry and ask why the victims are so bitter and hateful).
Genocide is defined as "The deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group". Sounds familiar?

There is no difference between Iran and Israel for as far as I am concerned, well maybe a few.
One of them is in possession of at least 200 nuclear warheads and has threatened to use each and every single one of them against its neighbors (Even the ones not being hostile) if it were to ever be invaded or face great losses while the other does not poses any weapons-grade Plutonium, Uranium and also lacks the technology to produce hydrogen bombs.

Another one would be that the same country that possesses those nuclear weapons has shown very little restraint to "make it rain" on massively populated areas.

Another one would be that again, the same country, has used illegal weapons like White Phosphorous and cluster bombs in the last overt war they were in. Overt as opposed to covert since there are also many covert strikes involved.

And yet another would be illegal extra-judicial assassinations and/or kidnappings conducted by that same country.

I can go on...

And then Israel has the balls to play the victim card, crying about retaliations when they kill 10 innocents (reality is higher) for every innocent Israeli that's being killed by Hamas and whatnot.

Don't get me wrong, my heart is with each and every single one of the innocents that has died in this extremely bloody conflict, regardless of them being Egyptian, Palestinian, Israeli, Turkish or American.

I always tend to protect the weak over the strong, especially if "the weak side" is being killed off systematically while the rest of the world stands by and does nothing.
Definitely also because "the strong side" in this case are the ones being given tens of billions of dollars a year in support of the genocide and are also powerful enough to turn hundreds of cities in the ME into glass if they so damn wish to do so.

P.S. For all of you that are gonna reply, using the "self defense" card- I don't think genocide counts as self-defense


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reply to post by edog11


Stupid answer. Instead why dont you recognize the fact that Arab countries are backwards socially and are still living in the equivalent of the middle ages.


Simply by seeing how they treat their own woman and people. How they deal with thieves (cutting off their hands), or how they treat people who disagree with their religious beliefs (beheading). They are barbaric and have no separation of religion and state. Its one of the only places in the world you can still get your head cut off when you disagree with religion or the government. I think that says it all...

As for Iran, they are on the verge of revolution because of what i said above. The only problem is that they killed and put in jail all the students who tried to revolt.

News Flash just in: an Italian human rights activists was abducted in Gaza and was murdered by having his throat slit on video by a terrorist group. They said it was in the name of God...

reply to post by CountDrac


Sure buddy! Ignore my entire post and change the subject to one that contributes to the fear-mongering.
"But the Ayraybs are scary and different!" Why don't you grow a backbone? I have.

According to your logic, 26 countries including the USA, half of Europe, Russia and India should be wiped off the face of the earth since their murder-per-capita rates are higher than that of any ME country (Yemen being the highest of the Middle East).

You know what. Nevermind that. I see that you aren't one for reason. Be afraid of Arabs instead. Be veeery afraid.
I'm glad most people in the world (unlike you) are reasonable people and use logical filters to filter out the bull# from the facts before opening their mouths.

Edit: # them. The ones that you said beheaded the Italian- F*CK 'EM! I wouldn't mind pumping them full of lead myself and will do just that in the future if I don't die before being given that chance. Same goes for any other person that has brutally killed innocent people with no remorse.


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reply to post by CountDrac

Stupid answer. Instead why dont you recognize the fact that Arab countries are backwards socially and are still living in the equivalent of the middle ages.

No, why don't YOU accept that they are more primitive than us??

Heck, it wasn't that long ago that Americans were scalping Indians and shooting blacks for sport and the British were burning or drowning witches..

reply to post by edog11


Lol another ignorant answer. Since when does it have to do with murder rates?
It has to do with religion being separate from state, basic human rights and freedom of beliefs. How you treat women etc…

If you cant recognize the fact that its different I the Middle East, hence all the riots in Egypt, Iran, Syria, Libya etc then you are just dumb.

Don’t be a hypocrite.
Answer me where would your rather stand and give a speech about freedom? Tel Aviv in Israel, or a square if Afghanistan or Iran.

reply to post by backinblack


Yes and now we have a Black president in America. We have evolved, I'm still waiting for the middle east...