Obama Just Said that 'Welfare' Made This Country Great...While Trying to Quote Lincoln...

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Whereweheaded

 

Yeah, it's hard to tell sometimes I guess which is which. It is embarrassing to admit, two of my aunts are welfare slobs, they don't even have kids. Yet all their lives they have managed to be able to suck up state and welfare aid...
Meanwhile a woman I know, works her ass off at a crap factory job, and can use just a bit of help, and doesn't qualify. Seems messed up to me

And thats the problem, if you cant tell sometimes, that should be an eye opener. If those who really need it, ( using your example about the girl who cant qualify ) then that should speak louder than words. if those who need it cant qualify, but the fat lady sitting on the couch watching oprah can....then that system needs to be eradicated.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


Back before the government stuck it's nose in, the needy were a community thing. Those that did have extra to give would help out their neighbors, the ones that couldn't didn't have a chunk of their money taken out against their will... Then again people were not parked in fromt of a hypnobox telling them to buy worthless trinkets 6 hours a day back then either

Originally posted by dreamseeker
reply to post by Whereweheaded

 

Well human decency and love is all we have to save ourselves now. Without that wars will continue,people will continue to starve,be homeless and our country will go to c rap.

When famine starts, hungry people don't act with love or decency. If you have food stashed away for you and your family, the hungry people will kill you for that food. I'd rather have ammo than love and decency in those instances. Just call me practical. I've got no plans for sainthood in the afterlife. I'm just trying to get my way through life with something in my belly besides a starving welfare liberal's knife blade.

reply to post by abecedarian

So Obama admitted we contribute to programs such as Medicare and Social Security, right? And those "... guarantee us health care and a measure of basic income...."
Sounds like O'Care needs to go away since it's obviously a redundant program, admitted by proxy by SR O himself.

If you are trying to compare the Health Care Reform to Medicare or Social Security...then you obviously don't understand it.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


Yes lets stick with facts shall we. We are not out of a recession, and our economy only grew 3.5 % over four quarters.

So I was pleased last week when I heard that, after four successive quarters of contraction, America's economy grew by an impressive 3.5pc between July and September, compared to the quarter before. "The US is out of recession" numerous newspaper headlines screamed. No wonder share prices surged.

As ever, the numbers warrant a closer look. For one thing, this is annualised data. So the US economy actually expanded by only 0.9pc during the third quarter – a fact most newspaper reports ignored. What growth we did see resulted from a 3.4pc annualised rise in US consumption between July and September, which was in turn caused by a 22.3pc spike in spending on consumer durables.

That increase, though, was largely driven – quite literally – by last-minute vehicle purchases under the soon-to-expire "cash for clunkers" scheme. The much-trumpeted rise in residential construction – the first in four years – was also dependent on a temporary tax credit for first-time buyers. In other words, this latest US growth spasm stemmed from one-off government "giveaways" – with the public only able to take advantage of such gimmicks by going deeper into debt. The rise in US consumption coincided with a 3.4pc fall in household disposable income and a plunging savings rate too. With government and household debt spiralling anew, America's so-called "return to growth" is nothing but a return to higher leverage.

Consumer spending makes up 70pc of the US economy. So we should all be concerned that after a "euphoric" third quarter, the mood darkened significantly this month. The respected Conference Board measure of consumer confidence just plunged to a 26-year low, which is hardly surprising. US unemployment, now at its highest since the early 1980s, is still rising fast.

Extremely weak consumer sentiment is a stark reminder of how fragile the world's largest economy remains, not least as the "bold" stimulus measures subside. The grim reality is that America isn't out of recession, whatever your stockbroker tells you. Over the last 40 years, all US slumps have been interrupted by at least one quarter of positive growth, followed by a renewed downturn.

America hasn't yet recovered and it won't anytime soon – not unless President Obama finds the courage to hose down his friends in the banking sector and force them to start lending.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

reply to post by Whereweheaded


and many millions do we have to scarfice to make that possible? How many people will die? Poor granny she is too much of an expenditure; so she will die in the street like a rat. Poor little kid who came into the world through know fault of his or her own; this kid is costs too much money because they are in a wheelchair. We can't pay for that sugery so sorry the kid dies at only 10 years old.
This will become the norm in your vision! Ambulance ride alone costs $1k; medical bills will bankrupt our poorest citzens. I am really shocked by your responses. If you claimed to be religous I would even be more shocked. I never understood why people who claim they are republican who are typically Christian are more about themselves and money?
Could you explain that to me?

I think the level of disconnect people have on this subject is enlightening.

My mother was one of those "welfare leeches" at one time.

She worked probably close to 80 hours a week, to bring home about 1000-1200 a month. After spending 500 a month on a house that most people wouldn't want to walk past, much less live in, 200-300 on utilities (no phone, no cable, just lights, water, and gas), 200-300 to get back and forth to work, then whatever money she put towards her medical bills we were often left with about 200 dollars a month "extra".

That 200 had to buy her and her teenage son food for a month, not to mention clothes and school supplies. And occassionally something nice for her ungrateful son.

She took no pride in recieving food stamps, and felt like I did when I had to accept them, like a failure as a parent as a person.

I guess it's her fault. She could have stayed in school instead of dropping out in the 8th grade to care for her ailing mother.

I don't disagree that many people exploit and abuse the system. But denying the fact that there are people who do everything within their means and still can't survive is incomprehensible.

If you work 80 hours a week and your job is replaced by technology or "Peggy" from pakistan. Are you not entitled to some sort of security? A means for you to survive until you are able to once again survive on your own?

I'm not saying anyone here is, but plenty of people against "welfare" happily recieve their unemployment checks, medicaid or social security and feel that for whatever reason they are entitled to their aid, while the other isn't.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


yeah the facts are he spent money we didn't have he created it from nothing.

and we all will after to pay the piper for it.

that's the problem with everyone in washington the short term quick fix and never think long term

Originally posted by dreamseeker
reply to post by Whereweheaded

 

and many millions do we have to scarfice to make that possible? How many people will die? Poor granny she is too much of an expenditure; so she will die in the street like a rat. Poor little kid who came into the world through know fault of his or her own; this kid is costs too much money because they are in a wheelchair. We can't pay for that sugery so sorry the kid dies at only 10 years old.
This will become the norm in your vision! Ambulance ride alone costs $1k; medical bills will bankrupt our poorest citzens. I am really shocked by your responses. If you claimed to be religous I would even be more shocked. I never understood why people who claim they are republican who are typically Christian are more about themselves and money?
Could you explain that to me?

Taken it way to far to literal extremes...but spoken like a true patriot! BWAHAHA....your above solidifies ignorance, and isnt even worth explaining.

reply to post by fredvcall


This is why we can't cut social programs. This is why we must keep those strong. If millions of americans are cut off we are talking an Eygptain/Lybian style revolt. This is how people will react if they have nothing to lose!

reply to post by Whereweheaded


Ignorance; no enlightment yes. I learned through my education and experience the true value of humanity.

reply to post by dreamseeker


Socialized medicine is not all candy and roses by a long shot. If you get in a car accident or something, it is great. Emergency care, though not as top notch as the US in quality is fast and free. But you need a specialist, like an oncologist, there is a line to wait on. Yeah it is mostly free, my cousin was around 4 when he died of cancer waiting for an oncologist to diagnose it... They found the lump when he was two. Should mention this is Canada I am talking about, thought I mentioned it earlier, guess not.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

Just so I understand you?, So if you work 80 hours a week, made a good living for yourself, you should give a percentage to the homeless guy that lives in the gutter all because he chose to be homeless, and is deserving, or entitled to your paycheck?

Yes, I have no problem helping out those that, for whatever reason, may not be doing well in life.

Not because he is "entitled" to my paycheck...but the country I live in will be a better place if that person has a place to sleep, a little something to eat, and can get some basic free healthcare if he is sick.

I gladly give a percentage of my paycheck to make that happen...I would much rather have a little less so they can have a little more...I will take that over seeing dead people in the streets because some people didn't think they were "deserving" enough to be helped out.

you know..this is exactly what the right-wingers want to see...they want non-productive americans to go away and die, whether it's in the streets, or in shanty towns or in tent cities.
other people just can't believe that right-wingers want this...but.. their words, tone, and past deeds, all point to this type of america. if an american is not working, or is working and not able to care for himself, than tough!...that person needs to go away and die...i'm tired of everybody making excuses for what the right-wingers have been saying over and over..."if you can't hack it, go away and die, because there is no way i want my taxes going to make sure you survive"...they are so blatant about it, that they don't care who hear's it, or what those people think.

reply to post by ThaLoccster

200-300 on utilities (no phone, no cable, just lights, water, and gas

If you were spending 200-300 a month on the basics, sounds like dear mom should have taught you how to turn lights off?

200-300 to get back and forth to work,

Interesting, cause a bus fair is only $1.25. A week pass 10 bucks in some cities.

Stop right there, the math doesnt add up...you stated between 1000-1200, 500 for housing + 300 for utilities=800, + another 300 for other travel expenses= 1100, now your throwing in 200 for medical bills = 1300.00 how does that math work based on the information you provided?

I find your story a little hard to believe.

reply to post by Whereweheaded

Well in that case, I do accept pay pal, and I think 10% of your pay should cover my costs of living

If you are in need of help...you can go apply for whatever public aid program you qualify for. My money is already funding those...and I would be glad to see you use those services to help you out.

You said you are a vet, my taxes pay for those services too.

It seems like you are not so much against social programs...because you admittedly think vets should be "taken care of" (and ironically you just happen to be a vet ). Could it be that you just have a perception problem...the programs that do or could help you, you seem to support. But the programs that you couldn't imagine yourself taken part of ( single pregnant women?)...you think are a waste of time???


If you are truly against social programs...then let's see you stand up for your principles and call for the abolishment of the VA and any other veteran programs. I bet you won't.

Originally posted by dreamseeker
reply to post by Whereweheaded

 

Ignorance; no enlightment yes. I learned through my education and experience the true value of humanity.

And how do yo suggest humanity solve the current financial crisis? By adding more social welfare, increasing the burden on the tax payer?

if you people have problems with medical care prices blame:

1. regulations
2. malpractice insurance
3. the dollars value.


for all the people who push entitlements try living on them a today never any better than yesterday and a tomorrow never better than any today.

We all depend on something in one way another. A job is a form of dependence because you can't really give a job to yourself unless you have money. A job can be taken away for any reason at any time. A job does not equal security. If there were protections in place then jobs could become more secure.
Everyone depends on money. My point is no one is 100% independent. We might as well just cut off everyone from everything, jobs,transportation,etc and make everyone suffer? This of course is an absurd overexgeration. I really hope those who are against these social programs are from a less enlightened prior generation and not the upcoming one. I do not want to hand over the future of the USA to anyone who is against helping others.

reply to post by TKDRL


This is what so many liberals forget. It is NOT up to the government to take from one and give to another. If we could ever get the mentality that the government should take care of people out of our social structure, we would see a shift to where it was done locally. I give to charity now and would give much more if there was more to give. Instead, we ship it off to the feds for them to decide who gets it. They do such a horrible job at it that now, we are in this mess.

reply to post by Whereweheaded


Well it is much better than people dying. We need to cut down on wars and miltary expenses. We need to concentrate more money on keeping people alive not killing them!