Amateur Astronomer Being Threatened For Release Elenin Comet information? Or just another hoax?

reply to post by Ghost375


Once again no statement was made that claims IRAS found Planet X. It was claimed that what was discovered could be a multitude of things including a young galaxy. On top of that, they stated that what was found was not approaching. Then in 1985 and 1987 the same group of scientists confirmed that what was in the IRAS data were nine, young, ultra-luminous galaxies and an infrared cirrus. No new objects were found within in the solar system using IRAS.

On topic. Isn't Astrolpatriot the guy who claimed that he couldn't find Elenin even though he was looking by Pluto and his telescope could barely resolve Jupiter? Doesn't sound like a very credible source to me.

reply to post by ParkerCramer


Astrolpatriot's main claim is that Elenin doesn't exist. Chad posted links to amateur astronomers that have photographed Elenin. That kind of destroys Astrolpatriot's original claims and throws suspicion on everything else related to him.

reply to post by ParkerCramer


It was in reply to the title mostly...

Amateur Astronomer Being Threatened For Release Elenin Comet information?

So I linked to a page where it's being tracked and where photos have been provided of the comet to show that if the youtube guy is being silenced, why not anyone else?

Particularly those with real information.

reply to post by Xcalibur254


It was announced that they found a brown dwarf and a planet as well. They then changed their stance.
I find it odd that a brown dwarf and a planet got changed to 9 galaxies and the ultraluminous galaxy. 2 objects become 10?

reply to post by Ghost375


Find me a source for your claims. If you link to the New York Times or the Washington Post article I suggest you read it very carefully because it states nothing close to what you claim. As for the object it was one of the galaxies. The only reason people are still discussing this is because the original articles were sensational in nature, poorly written, and people are too lazy to read the actual journal article and the follow-ups.

This is the research the original articles were based on.

Originally posted by Ghost375
reply to post by Xcalibur254

 

It was announced that they found a brown dwarf and a planet as well. They then changed their stance.
I find it odd that a brown dwarf and a planet got changed to 9 galaxies and the ultraluminous galaxy. 2 objects become 10?

Please, where did you get this? Can you provide some more info?

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by ParkerCramer

 

Astrolpatriot's main claim is that Elenin doesn't exist. Chad posted links to amateur astronomers that have photographed Elenin. That kind of destroys Astrolpatriot's original claims and throws suspicion on everything else related to him.

No, you are wrong. I think Astrolpatriot say elenin is something else. Because he stated the "comet" has "moons". And the links you talk about, shows pictures he already posted in other videos he made.

Can be a hoax, but this "comet" will create more discussion in the net methinks. The MSM covered the harley comet with much more attention than elenin. Why? Harley was a little rock compared to the comet elenin. Of course the comet harley passed closer to Earth, but the comet can bring other small bolide junk with him.

reply to post by Elostone


HAHAHA thats the funniest most unthought through redundent question i have heard asked on here yet!!

Did you even read the rest of his post?

I did a search to back up that it is illegal to release scientific info without first going through the Government and can't find anything about it anyone ells know

I'm not agreeing or saying he is true but geeeez demanding answers from someone who has already stated they don't have them I would think should be answered with offerings of membership to the tinfoilitis club and complimentary tin foil hat to go with it.

Keep walking nothing to see here.

Originally posted by Scaledown
reply to post by Elostone

 

Keep walking nothing to see here.

As a newbie you should show more respect for the intelligence of other members and let them take their own conclusions.

reply to post by RUSSO


There were quite a few news articles in 1981/1982. NY times is one such source.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by ParkerCramer

 

It was in reply to the title mostly...

Amateur Astronomer Being Threatened For Release Elenin Comet information?

So I linked to a page where it's being tracked and where photos have been provided of the comet to show that if the youtube guy is being silenced, why not anyone else?

Particularly those with real information.

edit on 12/4/11 by Chadwickus because: (no reason given)

Sounds reasonable..........................but, I do believe your links and the Youtuber in question are stating 2 completely different versions of what is out there, and, the youtuber is making a little more noise, well at least he was.

Thanks for the reply though.

Parker

reply to post by RUSSO


Comet Hartley is important because it is the smallest comet we have landed a probe on, it is also only the fifth comet the Deep Impact spacecraft has landed on. There really isn't anything special about Elenin that warrants attention from anyone other than astronomers. It is a small long-period comet that most people will not see as it is not visible to the naked eye. There's no reason for the media to waste time and money on it. There were over 100 other comets discovered last year, but no one is complaining how there's no coverage on them.

reply to post by RUSSO


Please accept my humblest apologies sir, I forgot to check the date of everyones registration to this forum as a measure of posting merit.

reply to post by RUSSO

I dont know if you know Astrolpatroit and his youtube(deleted) channel, but I found strange that his youtube account was deleted and he can not longer monitoring the comet. All videos were deleted from the channel. His webpage too. I wonder why this. Is he is being threatened or does he no longer believe its real or this was just another hoax?

What better way to give his hoax a veneer of mystery and authenticity than to delete it himself? He knows perfectly well that every line he posted on his webpage and every video he posted on YouTube has been cloned and reposted all across the e-verse. "Mysteriously disappearing" will make the whole thing irresistible to hard core conspiracy theorists. I call it the "Dr. Judy Falskog Gambit."

There's also the fact that WISE found at least one brown dwarf. They don't explain where it is, yet. More WISE results are being released this month.

reply to post by Ghost375


IRAS wasn't even launched until 1983. The articles you are referring to are the same articles I told you to re-read. Nowhere do they state that a planet and a brown dwarf were discovered. What they stated was that an unknown reading was returned and that it could be a planet, a giant comet, a prototar, a young galaxy, or a galaxy shrouded in dust. It turned out to be a young galaxy.

reply to post by Ghost375


Now you're just making things up. No announcement close to that was made. Two scientists at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette created the Nemesis hypothesis in the 1980s. This was a brown dwarf in the Oort Cloud that caused comets to enter the inner solar system. Eventually the evidence became overwhelming that this brown dwarf did not exist. These same scientists then came up with the Tyche hypothesis. Tyche is a hypothetical planet 25,000 AU away in the Oort Cloud that would have no effect on the inner solar system. Recently, these scientists stated that if the planet exists then it might be in the WISE data. However, most of the astronomical community is highly skeptical that such a planet exists.

reply to post by Xcalibur254


Making things up?
I did reread the ny times article, I was confusing that with another article theorizing about a brown dwarf. I'll try to find the article I'm thinking of.
Are you accusing me of making up that WISE found a brown dwarf?
I've read almost everything on their website. They clearly found a brown dwarf. I'm not saying they said it was in this solar system. I obviously said they don't specify where.

Originally posted by ThaLoccster
reply to post by FarBeyondDriven69

 

Your statement is pretty ironic. You make a large claim with no proof. Then tell others if they have no proof to not reply.

But I believe you are referring to Scientific Integrity, that is completely different than your claim though. But I do see how some could be confused.

www.ucsusa.org...

edit on 4/12/2011 by ThaLoccster because: (no reason given)

I can't find anything about it I should of got my info first then made a post sorry, let that be a lesson to me. No matter what way I type it in the only thing I get is this:www.guardian.co.uk...

reply to post by FarBeyondDriven69


If you follow my link, I believe there are links on there that show that as being one of the reasons scientists are trying to push Obama on his scientific integrity statements. Obama has made statements in regards to strengthening the scientists position. But apparently he is falling behind on those actions.

From what I understand about it, is they are trying to push a law that would protect scientists and their data from tampering or interference by the government and allow scientific data that is used to make policy and law to be readily available to the public.

There was a vote on one in 2006 that apparently didn't pass.

H.R. 839: Restore Scientific Integrity to Federal Research and Policymaking Act