Guddafi agrees to end conflict

reply to post by Wookiep


Well, thats really difficult. Virtually every conflict I can think of has had some economic interest involved. Personally, while I feel nationalism, religion, and more recently "humanitarian" intervention are the mechanisms by which the common people are persuaded to give their lives and their money for war, I feel the vast majority of wars are economically motivated. For the most part, it is always about someone grabbing for more wealth and more power, and the poor pay with their lives and taxes.

Could you perhaps name one YOU suspect was truly humanitarian? I even googled for examples and even they didnt seem to really support the idea they were actually humanitarian.

en.wikipedia.org...

American President Woodrow Wilson sent 330 U.S. Marines to Port-au-Prince on July 28, 1915. The specific order from the Secretary of the Navy to the invasion commander, Admiral William Deville Bundy, was to “protect American and foreign” interests. However, to avoid public criticism the occupation was labeled as a mission to “re-establish peace and order… [and] has nothing to do with any diplomatic negotiations of the past or the future” as disclosed by Rear Admiral Caperton.[7]

Maybe when we intervened on behalf of Tibet? Oh wait.................we didnt. Lol. Honestly, I am willing to accept we might have, but I just cannot find any evidence that we actually did. Though admittedly, Im not that big a war historian so I might be overlooking many gems.

Edit to add,

I also am not a "false flag" kind of person. Im not entirely certain to the nth degree what that means, but what I TAKE it to mean is a fake attack on the US.

I actually did not think 9-11 was a totally fake attack. It might be, but that wasnt and isnt how I perceived it. It seemed like an actual statement on the US's role in the Mid East that was then opportunistically used to further long standing US goals in the Mid East.

reply to post by Cynicaleye


No correction............Their western handlers (France/UK/US) have rejected the ceasefire plan.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Now this was a good, honest reply, thanks!



While you are correct that wars are fought and money is made. I meant with more an NWO style propaganda fueled war/intervention with no other intentions but evil western Zionist ones.

Good and well mannered reply tho, thanks!

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by Wookiep

 

Maybe when we intervened on behalf of Tibet? Oh wait.................we didnt. Lol.

Actually we did intervene in Tibet. During the 1950s the CIA funded ,supplied and trained an army of former feudal landlords and nobility/lamas. Sending them in from over the border with India. The recently liberated Tibetan serfs, would not support their former oppressors, and after a few years the insurgency failed.
Remember no insurgency/ressistance can be successful without local support.

The whole thing about the dalai lama being a pacifist was a heap of baloney served up, as usual, for gullible western consumption

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


and we see it WAS money back then too!

On November 17, 1915, U.S. Marines captured Fort Riviere, a stronghold of the Cacos rebels.

The Haitian government had been receiving large loans from both American and French banks over the past few decades and was growing increasingly incapable in fulfilling their debt repayment. If an anti-American government prevailed under the leadership of Rosalvo Bobo, there would be no promise of any debt repayment, and the refusal of American investments would have been assured. Within six weeks of the occupation, representatives from the United States controlled Haitian customs houses and administrative institutions such as banks and the national treasury. Through American manipulation, 40% of the national income was used to alleviate the debt repayment to both American and French banks. Despite the large sums due to overseas banks, this economic decision ignored the interests of the majority of the Haitian population and froze the economic growth the country needed. For the next nineteen years, advisers of the United States governed the country, enforced by the United States Marine Corps.

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and here we see an opinion about other U.S. military "occupations"::

The history of military occupations of Third World countries is that they bring neither democracy nor security. The long U.S. occupation of the Philippines, following a bloody war in which American troops finally subdued the Filipino independence movement, did not lead to democracy, but rather to a succession of dictatorships, ending with Ferdinand Marcos.

The long U.S. occupations of Haiti (1915-1934) and the Dominican Republic (1916-1926) led only to military rule and corruption in both countries.

from 2004


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Ya he agrees to give up. But do we? Were there to stay.

Originally posted by Wookiep

While you are correct that wars are fought and money is made. I meant with more an NWO style propaganda fueled war/intervention with no other intentions but evil western Zionist ones.

Im not sure I really get the distinction. I DO feel very certain that the uprising in Libya is staged. Not that I do not there were some malcontents in Benghazi that were more than willing to rebel, but I think the interested economic powers imported help for the malcontents, and then I think our media blew the entire thing out of proportion up to and including that woman claiming to have been raped. I did not find her, nor the videos purporting to be of "air raids" on the Libyan people credible at all. And I took a LOT of verbal abuse for saying so. But I call it like I see it, and I have seen a LOT of footage of atrocities in the Mid East in my life, and those just were not realistic, imho.

I dont tend to be big on the use of chants like "zionism" or even the "NWO." I believe there clearly IS an agenda to make the world a single trade zone, and this will entail the total destruction of true sovereignty for nations all over the world, including here in the US. It really isnt a big secret that "globalization" is the goal, the only thing that seems to be secret is that most Americans havent really thought that through and dont seem to realize what that means for them politically and economically.

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I know, I honestly did try to find an example of "humanitarian" intervention that really was humanitarian, but I was unsuccessful. Lol.

Which kind of begs the question, if we never HAVE actually intervened for humanitarian reasons, and you can go back in history and SEE for sure, that the sales pitch of "humanitarianism" was a complete lie..................why do so many people fall for it over and over again?

And defend the idea so aggressively?

I think the plan all along is to have Qu-daffy eventually "step down".

He will, if He has not already propably go to another country as an exile or He will be found "dead".

the dead body will not be His, it will be a double (as was Saddam in Iraq).

All these "leaders" are installed by TPTB and are promised exiles in usually France.

They do their jobs while in "power" and always become the scapegoats in the end when TPTB decide on some "new" economic policy.

Many view these "leaders" as CEO,s and the like.

The only "leaders" in the ME that are actually part of TPTB are the Saudis, the rest are all installed.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by xuenchen

 

I know, I honestly did try to find an example of "humanitarian" intervention that really was humanitarian, but I was unsuccessful. Lol.

Which kind of begs the question, if we never HAVE actually intervened for humanitarian reasons, and you can go back in history and SEE for sure, that the sales pitch of "humanitarianism" was a complete lie..................why do so many people fall for it over and over again?

And defend the idea so aggressively?

It works every time!

History shows many examples going way back to pre-Roman times.

They always promise some form of "democracy" to the target nation.

people fall for it because the real "victims" are not hearing the complete story.

The Corps move in and don't care about the locals.

TPTB always target the "unaffected" populations for support.....the U.S. / U.K. populations have very little genuine concern for Libya because we / they don't live there!

"everybody" just keeps going on with THEIR OWN life.....and keep on believing in "democracy".

The Central Bank / international financers Cartel are calling all the shots.

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Yeah but you would just think that after a couple thousand years most of us would have caught on by now.

I think thats that part that really frustrates me. People make up these elaborate and superhuman geniuses that are working against us, and might even be ET in origin or reptilian, but they are always superhuman.

And the truth of the matter is the games they are playing are really NOT that complicated, and really NOT genius, its really that we just dont ever seem to learn the lessons of history. The "elite" have been playing the same games for as long as we have written accounts.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
I've always wondered why he waited so long?

When this all first started [before any other exterior forces were brought to bare] why didn't he just take his 18 Billion from his Swiss bank account and leave and retire abroad? It would have avoided all the killing...

Just pointing out the obvious is all.

edit on 10-4-2011 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)

Good point Slayer

Because when you have essentially *snip* on you're own people for so long (42yrs) its hard not to take one last dump on there heads especially when you think you can get away with it for another ex amount of years by just killing anyone who may oppose you like rats

If it wasn't for the Coalition forces he may never had believed the game was finally up, in fact it would have been over and no doubt genocide in Bengazi would have taken place

I highly doubt the Rebels will settle for anything other than him & his family "gone completely" and it is highly likely the Coalition forces will support them in what ever decision they may make,

I hope the Rebels & Coalition forces don't stop till Gaddafi is taken out of his home and put in the dock for crimes against humanity and his billions can then be payed in compensation to all the family members of the innocent protesters who was shot dead at the order of this evil madman, and also to thos rebels who lost their lifes fighting for the freedom

After that i would very much look forward to outting the "ITS ALL ABOUT OIL MOB" with a MASSIVE "I TOLD YOU SO"


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why do most people not realize the real problem ??? the eastern people believe the 12th imam is near and in order for their prophet to arise ... mass chaos must be unleashed if the 12th imam happens to come back the east believe that exact moment will be the end with the western way of life as we know it , take a look at all the places standing up for so called freedom . tunisa , Egypt , Yemen , Syria , Libya, to name a few the only one you don't hear about is Israel. a family was murdered including 3 month old infant slayed look it up fogal family.. what really upsets me is that one of the surrounding area close to Israel were in the streets praising this horrific act of violence against Israel , also passing out cookies to everyone . thats what I'm worried about is Israel which is dead center in all this mess. Israel is really in my opinion is the only real free place in the middle east .. I must say with Iran now being friends with Russia ,and saudi Arabia now working a deal with Iran and china to sell oil with them instead of the u.s. because of something that they didn't like what Obama did ...the main thing we can do and I will do ... I real only hope we as a nation stand up and fight the evil that's among us with hope faith and love and pray to the high almighty himself .. if it does get worse around mid may, i mean if it gets really bad.... please just try to help others in a time of need as you would your own family .... sorry if any mistypes posting from phone

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and yet we still havent got the oil yet so look like we still at war

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Thank God it's about time he gave up!

Second

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander

Originally posted by SLAYER69

When this all first started [before any other exterior forces were brought to bare] why didn't he just take his 18 Billion from his Swiss bank account and leave and retire abroad? It would have avoided all the killing...

Because he actually cared about his people and did not want to see Libya taken over by a puppet Corporate democracy that would plunder the country and leave his people impoverished and under the control of religious extremists like the people of the other middle eastern nations we "liberate?"

lol your the first person ive seen who sides with guddafi...he didnt care for his people....his people want him gone and he clearly said he'l kill them all...anyone who opposes him.

he's been in power most his life...he cares about power and thats all...he wanted to remain the leader of libya and if he couldnt...hed kill as many people as he could on his way down before passing the baton to his son.

Either i'm way behind the news or something doesn't smell right.

Who is this African Union? This is the first i've heard of them. Are they fighting along side of the western coalition?

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
Either i'm way behind the news or something doesn't smell right.

Who is this African Union? This is the first i've heard of them. Are they fighting along side of the western coalition?

en.wikipedia.org...

Establishment
as the OAU
25 May 1963


as the African Union
9 July 2002

The African Union (abbreviated AU in English, and UA in its other official languages) is a union consisting of 53 African states. The only all-African state not in the AU is Morocco. Established on 9 July 2002,[4] the AU was formed as a successor to the Organisation of African Unity (OAU). The most important decisions of the AU are made by the Assembly of the African Union, a semi-annual meeting of the heads of state and government of its member states. The AU's secretariat, the African Union Commission, is based in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia.

Suspended members

Eritrea – recalled "its ambassadors to the African Union" on 20 November 2009.[7] This happened after the African Union called on the United Nations Security Council to impose sanctions in response to the alleged support of Somali Islamists attempting to topple the Transitional Federal Government of Somalia, the internationally recognized government of Somalia (which holds Somalia's seat on the African Union).[8] On 22 December 2009, the Security Council passed UNSCR 1907, which imposed an arms embargo on Eritrea, travel bans on Eritrean leaders, and asset freezes on Eritrean officials. Eritrea strongly criticised the resolution.

Madagascar – suspended after 2009 Malagasy political crisis.[9]

Côte d'Ivoire - suspended after the 2010–2011 Ivorian crisis.[10]

Financial institutions African Central Bank – Abuja, Nigeria
African Investment Bank – Tripoli, Libya
African Monetary Fund – Yaounde, Cameroon.

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en.wikipedia.org...

AU PLAN FOR LIBYA COLLAPSES ...

Source Here

I knew it wouldn't last long. Most African politicians couldn't plan a piss-up in a brewery and their word is ... well ... about as good as Nixon's was.

Originally posted by Psyagra
AU PLAN FOR LIBYA COLLAPSES ...

Source Here

I knew it wouldn't last long. Most African politicians couldn't plan a piss-up in a brewery and their word is ... well ... about as good as Nixon's was.

of course not!!!!

(from your link)

The African Union does not have a good track record in brokering peace deals, having failed recently to end conflicts or disputes in Somalia, Madagascar and Ivory Coast.

just another failure !!!

oh well.................

anything to keep the home-fires burning....

I smell London.

do the Rothschilds have a lot of debt holdings in the AU ??????