Comet Elenin Continues to Increase in Size

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I can't say what it's true orbit is. I've heard anywhere from a couple a hundred years to millions of years. I will have to do some more reading.

I've been trying to figure that out too. An answer is in this article.
Comet Elenin Will Not Destroy Earth

Further study of Comet Elenin’s orbit appeared to indicate that it was making its first-ever visit to the inner solar system.

So it doesn't seem to have an orbit or period yet, It it's first visit to the inner solar system.

Leonid Elenin has studied the orbit of his comet closely and predicts that gravitational tugs from the giant planets Jupiter and Saturn will likely reshape its orbit into a very long, cigar-shaped ellipse. The closed track would return the comet for another visit in about 10,000 years. Further observations will no doubt refine Elenin’s orbit and narrow the possibilities.

So the orbit may turn into 10,000 years but they obviously don't know yet.

It seems that these close passes would effect the trajectory of all of these comets

Thus, March 31, Comet Elenin passes 1,366,500 km (0.009 AU) from asteroid 2001 SC155. On the same day, nearby, at a distance of 1,255,000 km (0.084 AU) and 1,365,500 km (0.009 AU) it encounters another two asteroids – 2005 NF30 and 2007 FR10 respectively. The closest approach will be April 2 – the comet and asteroid 2001 WA49 will pass by each other at only 335,500 km, which works out to 0.87 LD (the average distance from the Earth to the moon)! Unfortunately, it will only be possible to see the close passage in images taken by the largest telescopes. The brightness of asteroid 2001 WA49 will be 21m.
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About the fact that many astronomers say they can't find it...

Here the closeness of the objects, which are only 11 arc minutes apart, is not an optical illusion but a real physical closeness of two celestial bodies.

This, looking like an excuse to explain the difficulties to see the comet, coupled with the info that Hale, co-discoverer of Hale-Bopp, couldn't find it, either... People are gonna come down hard on this!

Thanks for the post OP.
Although I have to agree with OldCorp, just because someone has a facebook and a website does not make them a real person. Along the same lines, just because someone gives an interview claiming to be Mr. Elenin does not necessarily mean that it is truly him.

Originally posted by OldCorp
You can also follow BIGFOOT on Facebook; but that doesn't make him real.

Originally posted by fasteronfire
Thanks for the post OP.
Although I have to agree with OldCorp, just because someone has a facebook and a website does not make them a real person. Along the same lines, just because someone gives an interview claiming to be Mr. Elenin does not necessarily mean that it is truly him.

Originally posted by OldCorp
You can also follow BIGFOOT on Facebook; but that doesn't make him real.

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That's actually pretty funny.

I guess until Leo gives an in person interview, the debate will continue.

Oh ya, after the interview everyone will say he was just a plant or imposter.

Some people can never be convinced.

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Originally posted by forall2see
I find it interesting that they are claiming its "growth" in size as it nears.

I believe they said it was the coma that was growing, not the comet itself.

This is correct. As the nucleus gets closer to the Sun, it heats-up and starts to thaw ice & frozen gases. Since the nucleus has very little gravity, the gasses and suspended particles spread-out and form the coma. As it gets even closer to the Sun, the outgassing increases and the coma swells. Also, the solar wind and the photon pressure from the sunlight push the gas & particles away, and this forms the tail.

This swelling of the coma is normal. Not only is it what all comets do, it is - by definition - what a comet is.

Hope this clarifies things.

Well...there's one interesting thing with this alleged comet.

It was "supposed" to create great damage on March 15th when it crossed the gravitational plane of the Earth. It didn't happen, but we had the Japan quake 4 days before. Now the comet is supposed to cross that plane once again on December 25th, 2012. Oh? How interesting.

Let's say NASA made a mistake in its orbit, off by 4 days. December 25th, 2012 minus 4 days = December 21st, 2012.

Just something to think about...

Oh and...how big is a 88,000 kms coma? What is a coma? Thanks for the help!

Originally posted by Gab1159
Well...there's one interesting thing with this alleged comet.

It was "supposed" to create great damage on March 15th when it crossed the gravitational plane of the Earth. It didn't happen, but we had the Japan quake 4 days before. Now the comet is supposed to cross that plane once again on December 25th, 2012. Oh? How interesting.

Your quotation marks around "supposed" were well-considered. There's no such thing as a "gravitational plane" of Earth or any other planet, star or other celestial body. It's just word-salad by somone trying to sound smart and buffalo the gullible. There is the orbital plane of the Earth which we call the ecliptic. Cosmically, it's not any kid of actual "barrier". It's just a convenient line of demarcation, like the equator.

Every object orbiting the Sun crosses the ecliptic exactly twice during each revolution around our star. If a comet or asteroid crosses the ecliptic at the spot where the Earth is at that moment, that would result in a collision. If it intersects the Earth's orbit at any point on that ellipse, then it is a potentially threatening object. Elenin's orbit does not get close to the Earth's at any point. It crossed the ecliptic on January 10th, 2001, when it was over 4 billion kilometers from the Sun (between the orbits of Uranus & Neptune). It will make its second crossing on September 10th, 2011, when it is ~72 million km from the Sun (just outside the orbit of Mercury).

At its closest approach to Earth (on October 16, 2011), Elenin will be just under 35 million km from our planet. That's only slightly closer than Venus gets every 19 months. Venus is a full-sized rocky planet 12,000 km in diameter. Comet Elenin is a dirty snowball maybe a dozen kilometers across - 1,000 times smaller, with only one-billionth of the volume, and (thanks to its low density) less than one quarter of one billionth of the mass. Its effect on Earth will be zero. It's so small that it won't even really be visible at closest approach, except through binoculars or larger optics.

I do not understand why people have latched on to this perfectly ordinary object as something apocalyptic.

Originally posted by Gab1159
Oh and...how big is a 88,000 kms coma? What is a coma? Thanks for the help!

As I said before: As the nucleus gets closer to the Sun, it heats-up and starts to thaw ice & frozen gases. Since the nucleus has very little gravity, the gasses and suspended particles spread-out and forms the coma. Thus the coma is a rough sphere of dust & gas around the nucleus which, as I said before, can be considered a dirty snowball. At 88,000 km across, it's roughly the same volume as Jupiter, but since the mass of the entire nucleus and out-gassed coma are only about equal to a small mountain on Earth (say, the Matterhorn), the overall density means that the gasseous coma, that appears as a fuzzy ball in telescopes, is actually a much better vacuum than we can get in a lab on Earth!

Hope this helps.

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Originally posted by OldCorp
You can also follow BIGFOOT on Facebook; but that doesn't make him real.

I've seen Gene Shoemaker giving a multitude of interviews after discovering Shoemaker/Levy 9, but so far I've seen nothing from Mr. Elenin aside from a static photograph - which could be anyone - and a few blog posts. To my knowledge, he has never granted an interview with ANY reporter, much less a TV journalist, and that is what make this stink to high heaven.

The way the Russians love publicity that shows their technological prowess, it seems to me that trotting out the astronomer whose discovery has the world "Ohh-ing" and "Ahh-ing" would be a priority. I'm still waiting for that to happen.

Actually comet entered alignment with sun and earth on March 11th, and stayed in alignment through 15th. Massive Japan quake happened on the 11th, and aftershocks continued to this day.

Not saying Comet Elenin is Planet X, just clearing up facts.

Leonid Elenin, on the other hand, is areal guy as far as my investigations have gone. I've gotten quotes from his peers, and new photos of comet elenin from one of his peers.

I'd say the comet's alignment aligning with Chile, NZ, and Japan quakes is still the best evidence we have that is is a lot more dangerous than "just another comet," whatever is going on.

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He's not giving interviews because this is a very minor comet. It's small and has a very long orbital period. Why aren't you complaining about the many other people who discovered comets last year that aren't giving interviews? The reason Shoemaker was giving interviews is because it was discovered impacting Jupiter, something that had never been seen before. Elenin on the other hand is a run of the mill comet. Also, it was not discovered using Russian technology, but American technology.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
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He's not giving interviews because this is a very minor comet. It's small and has a very long orbital period. Why aren't you complaining about the many other people who discovered comets last year that aren't giving interviews? The reason Shoemaker was giving interviews is because it was discovered impacting Jupiter, something that had never been seen before. Elenin on the other hand is a run of the mill comet. Also, it was not discovered using Russian technology, but American technology.

There are interviews with him in Russian.

The controvery started with the discover's name.

Leonid Elenin. The conspiracy theorist found his name highly suspect.

Leonid = meteor showers

Elenin = ELE Extintion Level Event and NIN = a Sumerian godess also known as "Lady of the Sky".

An interesting theory, however this comet is not going to come close enough to Earth to cause any harm directly.

The other theory of the earthquakes is also interesting.

The comet did have an alignment with the Sun and the Earth on February 27, 2010 during the 8.8 Chile earthquake and another Sun/Earth alignment on March 11, 2011 during the 9.0 Japan earthquake. Was this a coincidence?

The next Sun/Earth alignment comes around September 25, 2011. If there is a large earthquake around this time I might be open to looking into some correlation that the comet is somehow affecting the earth. But until then I would say it's all specualtion and fear mongering.

But history has shown (I believe) that comets do not affect the Earth - they are just too small.

The comet is of "little" news in the astronomy world. But the controversies listed above have given it a life of it's own in the conspiracy world.

You can play with the NASA animiation here:

Animation Link

ALSO:
The Coma is the tail. A comet's tail always grows as it approaches the sun as the dirty snowball starts to melt and break up. It's called "out gassing".

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I know, but it seems like people want him to be doing the talk show circuit or something. The fact of the matter is that Comet Elenin is a minor comet that people just aren't interested in. That is the reason why Leonid Elenin's face isn't plastered all over the MSM.

Originally posted by ufoinquirer
Actually comet entered alignment with sun and earth on March 11th, and stayed in alignment through 15th. Massive Japan quake happened on the 11th, and aftershocks continued to this day.

No, there was no "alignment" if you mean that Elenin, Earth, and the Sun were in a straight line.

On at 5:46 UTC on March 11th, the time of the earthquake, the Earth and the Sun were separated by about 1.5 degrees as viewed from Elenin. No straight line there. 24 hours later, on the 12th, they were separated by over 1 degree. Still no straight line. The closest they ever got 0.5 degrees apart, on the 14th. Again, no "alignment" happened.

Originally posted by Julie Washington
The comet did have an alignment with the Sun and the Earth on February 27, 2010 during the 8.8 Chile earthquake and another Sun/Earth alignment on March 11, 2011 during the 9.0 Japan earthquake. Was this a coincidence?

Again, no the comet was never "aligned" with the sun and earth. On February 27, 2010, there was a 0.173 degree separation between the Earth and Sun viewed from Elenin. As pointed out in my previous post, the separation during the Japan earthquake was over 30 times larger than this.

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Thank you for that clairfication. I do not understand how to get such precise measurements.

Could you link your source and explaination?