Virtual Global Taskforce : The Expanding Mission Directives of the War on Terror

Originally posted by woghd
The FBI already works with interpol and other international agencies. What the heck does ICE have to do with kiddieporn? ICE agents are FEMA camp guards.

And of course they use kiddieporn...

Who's going to argue against an entity that's fighting Kiddieporn!
Unreal, and everyone will fall for it too, and when Sgt. Thug Jackboot is throwing you
into a FEMA camp, you can feel good about the work they are doing fighting
international kiddieporn...

edit on 8-4-2011 by woghd because: (no reason given)

Well, I will have to respectfully disagree with you, I.C.E. does not guard F.E.M.A. Camps.

Military.net - Internment Specialist : Law Enforcement, National Guard, Enlisted

That is what would become the alleged F.E.M.A. Camp Guards.

The people of I.C.E. would be considered the guards keeping people away from the Iron Curtain.

And no-mans land.

As in the border.

If this were to happen of course.

Not to mention the Virtual Global Taskforce would be considered the Thought-Police.

Your secret-evidence would be your cookies whether you surf child-pornography or not.

Through the secret trial process and being gathered up at select locations.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Secret Trial

A secret trial is a trial that is not open to the public, nor reported in the news.

Generally no official record of the case or the judge's verdict is made available.

Often there is no indictment.

The accused is not able to obtain the counsel of an attorney or confront witnesses for the prosecution, and the proceedings are characterized by a perceived miscarriage of justice to the benefit of the ruling powers of the society.

Get your Gestapo position correct, please.

Justice : Secret Evidence : 2009 (241 page PDF)

Read up on what the United Kingdom is going through right now.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

 

That's already the case.
Now how insidious has it been?

The capability even being in existence is insidious itself in nature.

With Onstar they can unlock your car and lock it.

Remember, everything involving Government, is dual-purpose.

Was GM not bought out essentially as a part of one of the many bail-outs?

With each and every OnStar as well, there are two tracking devices, I've done the research.

The first one, in the engine, is the one they want you to see and disable if you choose to.

The second one is in the gas-tank and less conspicuous.

And they track your whereabouts whether you pay for the service or not.

The same goes for cell phones with GPS and sending pictures with embedded GPS coordinates.

Orwellian if you ask me.

I'm actually happy to be totally unemployed and unable to afford a cell phone anymore.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


I'm glad I live in Portugal, don't have a car or a cell phone.

But I don't get what's the problem with this news, maybe I'm too tired to understand you first posts.

Originally posted by ArMaP
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

 

I'm glad I live in Portugal, don't have a car or a cell phone.

But I don't get what's the problem with this news, maybe I'm too tired to understand you first posts.

Then by all means please go back and re-read it and all of my subsequent posts as well.

The problem with this is the fact that a Virtual Global Taskforce will eventually shift focus.

Meaning, expanding targets, not just online pedophiles but hackers and crackers (criminal hackers).

And eventually on to online communities like ATS and elsewhere in regards to conspiracy theorists.

Law Enforcement, no matter the country, eventually does this to maintain viability.

In order to expand their scope and area of influence and to gain additional funding.

As well as adapting with the new "target" of the day according to the White House or United Nations.

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
Then by all means please go back and re-read it and all of my subsequent posts as well.

I only posted after doing just that, I'm not that lazy.

The problem with this is the fact that a Virtual Global Taskforce will eventually shift focus.

Meaning, expanding targets, not just online pedophiles but hackers and crackers (criminal hackers).

And eventually on to online communities like ATS and elsewhere in regards to conspiracy theorists.

How can you be so sure that something that, as far as I know, doesn't have a real presence in any country and works just as a connection between law enforcement agencies will shift focus and will, eventually, go after conspiracy theorists?

Do you have any inside information about it or an example of that happening before with a different (but with the same role as a connection between other organisations) organisation?

Law Enforcement, no matter the country, eventually does this to maintain viability.

In order to expand their scope and area of influence and to gain additional funding.

As well as adapting with the new "target" of the day according to the White House or United Nations.

But they are not a law enforcement agency. If they are, who is the organisation or country hierarchically above them?

Originally posted by ArMaP
I only posted after doing just that, I'm not that lazy.

I was not suggesting you were lazy but by your own self-admission you mentioned you were tired.

Originally posted by ArMaP
How can you be so sure that something that, as far as I know, doesn't have a real presence in any country and works just as a connection between law enforcement agencies will shift focus and will, eventually, go after conspiracy theorists?

I am 100% certain there is within each and every Government.

Whether it is found out is more in question than whether it exists.

And in most countries "conspiracy theorists" are seen as rebels, dissidents, and or a revolution.

With sedition, treason, and the resistance leading their main accusations and "crimes".

Originally posted by ArMaP
Do you have any inside information about it or an example of that happening before with a different (but with the same role as a connection between other organisations) organisation?

Sure.

I will only go back just over half a century with one particular country.

And expand later upon it.

Nazi Germany prior to, during, and some believe up until today.

Let me give you a few examples.

1) I.C.E. - The Immigration and Customs of today, during Nazi Germany, under Hitler, searched specifically for illegal aliens, pedophiles, homosexuals, spies through the gypies, travelers and Jewish community, not to limit it there but I am sure you know the rest. And the customs aspects would fall under searching for property being exported and or smuggled out of Germany and the rest of Europe more than bringing it in. Although, in regards to bringing it in it would fall under items being imported and or smuggled in to assist any type of resistance.

2) Europol - The European example of Nazi Germany's Abwehr, run by Canaris, the Schutzstaffel, or more commonly known as the SS, among many other branches of insanity hunting people down, and eventually rounding them up through assistance of the still untouched I.B.M. computer corporation, among many other corporations still in existence.

3) Virtual Global Taskforce - What today equals the Internet was back during Nazi Germany started as a verbal snitch network, run in tandem with the aforementioned I.B.M. corporation, with the Abwehr and SS (and other branches), and many fascist alliances throughout the world as Hitler expanded his ground just prior to D-Day as his henchmen tried to infiltrate many other countries towards world domination.

Originally posted by ArMaP
But they are not a law enforcement agency. If they are, who is the organisation or country hierarchically above them?

Which particular part of any of my prior posts are not linked to Law Enforcement?

Because each and every one of them are as to the evidence I've layed out so far.

And thank you for the excellent follow-up and I look forward to more discussion with you ArMaP.

Ask any question and I will gladly expand upon this and as well go into other historical examples.

Nazi Germany was the very first example of many other historical alliances of evil people.

I can go back to the Bible, Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece, Egypt and other cultures as well.

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

Originally posted by ArMaP
How can you be so sure that something that, as far as I know, doesn't have a real presence in any country and works just as a connection between law enforcement agencies will shift focus and will, eventually, go after conspiracy theorists?

I am 100% certain there is within each and every Government.

Sorry, I don't understand how that answer relates to that part of my post.

And in most countries "conspiracy theorists" are seen as rebels, dissidents, and or a revolution.

In Portugal they are mostly seen as people that have too much time on their hands, but not as rebels or dissidents, probably because we had a revolution some years ago and we know what a revolutionary is.

Let me give you a few examples.

Sorry, I also do not understand how those examples are related to the shifting of focus of those organisations.

Which particular part of any of my prior posts are not linked to Law Enforcement?

I meant that Virtual Global Taskforce is not a law enforcement agency, they only (apparently) direct law enforcement agencies to specific cases when people complain to them.

Nazi Germany was the very first example of many other historical alliances of evil people.

I can go back to the Bible, Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece, Egypt and other cultures as well.

No need for that, I know how those things work, the 48 years long dictatorship we had in Portugal was a perfect example of how that happens in a country, city or street level.

Originally posted by ArMaP
How can you be so sure that something that, as far as I know, doesn't have a real presence in any country and works just as a connection between law enforcement agencies will shift focus and will, eventually, go after conspiracy theorists?

Sorry, I don't understand how that answer relates to that part of my post.

It is relevant on many levels.

As previously mentioned this is happening.

Tracking it as a trending issue is something almost all conspiracy theorists are doing.

Especially when referencing it as a potential abuse.

Whether they realize that or not of course is up to them but that is what they are doing.

Based on past abuses and precendents throughout history.

Originally posted by ArMaP
In Portugal they are mostly seen as people that have too much time on their hands, but not as rebels or dissidents, probably because we had a revolution some years ago and we know what a revolutionary is.

Sure, apparently Americans do not have any idea of what a revolutionary is, is that it?

Sorry, not buying that as an excuse, so excuse me for rolling my eyes.

Every person learns about revolutions and those doing them.

Whether they grasp the historical context or remember history is of course up for debate.

"Too much time on someone's hands" can be because of economic manipulation of Government.

Like our current worldwide economy and the joblessness happening all over.

Whether we're discussing Portugal, America, or any other nation on this planet.

Just because America, primarily the Government, sells McDemocracy franchises, after sending the C.I.A. to stir up the pot, does not mean all American citizens are ignorant of revolution, revolutionaries, or what a coup d'état is, because a revolution is just that, a shift in the current power structure through many different means. Whether a silent coup, a bloody coup, or a sponsored coup, a revolution is nothing more than a coup in action, usually, lead by the people tired of dictators and idiots in office.

Originally posted by ArMaP
Sorry, I also do not understand how those examples are related to the shifting of focus of those organisations.

Are you not up to date with all of the shifting stances on terrorism?

I am.

Terrorism is just another means of selling a war no one wants to reach an agenda no one wants.

Except politicians and elitists mixed with corporations who are seeking money, power, and control.

One man's freedom fighter, or revolutionary, is another man's terrorist, and vice versa.

More specifically I.C.E., Europol, and the Virtual Global Taskforce are targeting foreigners.

Giving more insidious power to elements of different Government's like America's Patriot Act.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Patriot Act

The USA PATRIOT Act (commonly known as the "Patriot Act") is an Act of the U.S. Congress that was signed into law by President George W. Bush on October 26, 2001.

The title of the Act is a contrived three letter initialism (USA) preceding a seven letter acronym (PATRIOT), which in combination stand for Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001.

The Act dramatically reduced restrictions on law enforcement agencies' ability to search telephone, e-mail communications, medical, financial, and other records; eased restrictions on foreign intelligence gathering within the United States; expanded the Secretary of the Treasury’s authority to regulate financial transactions, particularly those involving foreign individuals and entities; and broadened the discretion of law enforcement and immigration authorities in detaining and deporting immigrants suspected of terrorism-related acts.

The act also expanded the definition of terrorism to include domestic terrorism, thus enlarging the number of activities to which the USA PATRIOT Act’s expanded law enforcement powers can be applied.

The act is currently set to expire May 29, 2011; after a 90 day extension from February 28 by congress.

Under the Patriot Act this gives Homeland Security a Nazi theme with I.C.E. leading the charge.

Originally posted by ArMaP
I meant that Virtual Global Taskforce is not a law enforcement agency, they only (apparently) direct law enforcement agencies to specific cases when people complain to them.

Oh?

So, would you agree then, with it being more of an intelligence-gathering operation?

An intelligence agency in essence?

The Nazi Abwehr was German military intelligence.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Abwehr

The Abwehr was a German military intelligence (information gathering) organisation from 1921 to 1944.

The term Abwehr ([ˈapveːɐ̯], German for defence) was used as a concession to Allied demands that Germany's post-World War I intelligence activities be for "defensive" purposes only.

I highly suggest this book.

The Game of the Foxes: The Untold Story of German Espionage in the United States and Great Britain During World War II

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SKL's Amazon Review :

This book was recommended by someone I respect very much. It was definately an interesting look into the planting, hunting, and detention of the German spies before, during, and after World War II.

The Double-Cross system was also informative as well, and the games that spies on all sides played in order to make certain their side won were informative and interesting.

Some of the things that were done were quite simple and some were extremely difficult and diverse.

It was definately worth purchasing and I only wish I had heard of the book sooner than last year.

The creation of the European Union is a precursor of the North American Union in action.

How about another one for an example.

Like say MI5?

Quote from : Wikipedia : MI5

The Security Service commonly known as MI5 (Military Intelligence, Section 5), is the United Kingdom's counter-intelligence and security agency and is part of the intelligence machinery alongside the Secret Intelligence Service (SIS or MI6), Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) and the Defence Intelligence Staff (DIS).

All come under the direction of the Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC).

The service has a statutory basis in the Security Service Act 1989 and the Intelligence Services Act 1994.

Its remit includes the protection of British parliamentary democracy and economic interests, counter-terrorism and counter-espionage within the UK.

Although mainly concerned with internal security, it does have an overseas role in support of its mission.

The chart below is directly from Europol's website.



Due to trending, funding, and shifting agenda their stances on cybercrime will eventually change.

Specifically going after conspiracy theorists and any other type of online "crime".

This is a part of why Bush tried to make terrorists bypass civil trials and why Obama is doing it now.

They want to send them to Guantanamo, or Abu Ghraib, and or keep them internally here in America.

Michigan is one of those states this is being worked on right now due to the economy.

Is Michigan a Terror Stronghold?

Sure sounds like potentially outsourcing Michigan to the international community.

Like their own secet prisons where we keep some of our "terrorists".

And the previous Air America is a part of this process through the C.I.A going out of America.

Ghost Plane: The True Story of the CIA Rendition and Torture Program

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Amazon Review : On June 10th, 2002, Attorney General John Ashcroft announced that the US had captured a known terrorist who was exploring a plan to explode a "dirty bomb" on American soil.

That alleged terrorist was José Padilla who was finally charged in 2005 with conspiracy to murder.

What Ashcroft didn't talk about was how information against him was obtained – by the relentless torture of one man-- Binyam Mohamed, in the name of the United States.

Arrested at Karachi Airport before Padilla’s arrest on April 10, 2002, Mohamed was put on a luxury executive jet and flown to an interrogation center in Morocco.

For over 18 months, he was subjected to one torture after another:

Beating followed beating and, then, his guards produced razor blades and began to split the skin all over his body, including on his genitals.

Since 1997, hundreds of people, many of whom have no ties to terrorist organizations, have been abducted from foreign airports or street corners on suspicions based at times on the flimsiest of evidence courtesy of the United States Central Intelligence Agency.

In Ghost Plane, Stephen Grey tells the true story of the CIA's torture program known by the euphemism "extraordinary rendition" and the airplanes that make the program run.

Begun during the Clinton administration, but taking a decidedly more voracious turn after 9/11, the rendition system has seen the transfer of more than 1000 prisoners into jails stretching from Guantanamo to Syria, from Kabul to Bangkok and beyond.

Grey had access to the thousands of CIA flight records and has interviewed dozens of sources from the most senior levels of the National Security Council to the CIA.

In Ghost Plane, he paints a disturbing picture of the War on Terror that reaches to the highest levels of power in Washington, D.C. and exposes the extreme ethical corruption at the heart of this US government program, a program finally acknowledged by President George Bush in September 2006, undertaken in the name of the citizens of the United States.

Bolded and underlined by SKL.

The Hollywood movie is based upon the abuses against Binyam Mohamed by America.

Rendition Trailer


This is how mistakes, or "mistakes", read as a trial-run, can be done to test the global waters.

Originally posted by ArMaP
No need for that, I know how those things work, the 48 years long dictatorship we had in Portugal was a perfect example of how that happens in a country, city or street level.

Great, then we can focus more on the current, through historical contexts when necessary.

As far as previously asked in regards to inside information I read hoardes of books.

I cross-reference them with history.

And keep up with the ever-changing and shifting laws of my country.

Whether this means I have more time on my hands is of course up to you.

I prefer to see it as being an informed American citizen.

I do not waste my time on sports, drinking, or smoking, or anything else like American Idol.

In my free-time when not volunteering I am reading and updating my knowledge base.

A large part of citizenship, at least to me, is knowing what my Government does in my name.

At all times.

Otherwise I am an irresponsible citizen and a part of the problem not a part of the solution.

I would rather remain vigilant and potentially be wrong then ignorant and never know.

According to my open-source intelligence gathering I am about 99.9% accurate.

A 1% margin for error is pretty good as far as I see.

I can say this because I am constantly talking to people and changing perspective if necessary.

As well as seeking out new sources of information and adapting as necessary.

People just like ATS'ers, yourself, not to mention other international, national, and local citizens.

Deny Ignorance.

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
It is relevant on many levels.

As previously mentioned this is happening.

What do you mean by "this"?

I am talking about agencies like Virtual Global Taskforce, apparently with no agents, shifting their focus from "keep the Internet sage for children" to "persecuting conspiracy theorists". Are you talking about that? Because if you are I do not see the connections.

Sure, apparently Americans do not have any idea of what a revolutionary is, is that it?

Sorry, not buying that as an excuse, so excuse me for rolling my eyes.

Every person learns about revolutions and those doing them.

Whether they grasp the historical context or remember history is of course up for debate.

I am talking about the difference between learning about revolutions and the historical context and living in that historical context and seeing things happening, talking with people that organised things before and after the revolution, etc.

I am not talking about history, to me (and to millions of, in this case, Portuguese people) it was the present, we see things changing and happening around us.

"Too much time on someone's hands" can be because of economic manipulation of Government.

Like our current worldwide economy and the joblessness happening all over.

No, more like people that have enough money not to bothered with having to work.

Oh?

So, would you agree then, with it being more of an intelligence-gathering operation?

An intelligence agency in essence?

Like say MI5?

No, an intelligence-gathering operation without operatives.

The chart below is directly from Europol's website.



Due to trending, funding, and shifting agenda their stances on cybercrime will eventually change.

Specifically going after conspiracy theorists and any other type of online "crime".

Are you talking about Europol or the Virtual Global Taskforce? I am only talking about the Virtual Global Taskforce.

Whether this means I have more time on my hands is of course up to you.

I prefer to see it as being an informed American citizen.

Good for you, information is the best tool against those that have the power. The Lisbon Cardinal during most of the Portuguese dictatorship used to say that people only needed to know how to sign their name and little more. The law that governed the education ministry, in the part about eradicating illiteracy, was based on the idea that the people only needed to know how to read and write, so education would not go beyond the first four years of primary school.

Originally posted by ArMaP
What do you mean by "this"?

I am talking about agencies like Virtual Global Taskforce, apparently with no agents, shifting their focus from "keep the Internet sage for children" to "persecuting conspiracy theorists". Are you talking about that? Because if you are I do not see the connections.

Okay, let me be more detailed, and specify this more to your perception.

Once one agency, national or international, invites another into operations together their scope changes.

Immediately.

The title says it all within it.

ICE welcomes Europol to the Virtual Global Taskforce

Once I.C.E. got Europol involved in the Virtual Global Taskforce they shifted the paradigm.

The Virtual Global Taskforce may not specifically have "agents".

Those two agencies, I.C.E. and Europol, respectively, have agents and now gather intelligence.

Intelligence drives directives as well as in regards to eventual funds which they seek.

Without funding organizations shut down quickly and they have to keep up with the politicians.

Especially their ever-shifting demands.

Originally posted by ArMaP
I am talking about the difference between learning about revolutions and the historical context and living in that historical context and seeing things happening, talking with people that organised things before and after the revolution, etc.

I am not talking about history, to me (and to millions of, in this case, Portuguese people) it was the present, we see things changing and happening around us.

Thank you for clarifying your stance.

While I can recognize your perception I cannot wholly agree.

Yes, your country might have more current experience in this regard, but it happens everywhere.

But people have to know how to recognize it in its many diverse forms.

I know you may not need this definition but I'll include to expand on the reply and topic.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Revolution

A revolution (from the Latin revolutio, "a turn around") is a fundamental change in power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time.

Its use to refer to political change dates from the scientific revolution occasioned by Copernicus' famous De Revolutionibus Orbium Coelestium.

Aristotle described two types of political revolution:

1.Complete change from one constitution to another.

2.Modification of an existing constitution.

Revolutions have occurred through human history and vary widely in terms of methods, duration, and motivating ideology.

Their results include major changes in culture, economy, and socio-political institutions.

Scholarly debates about what does and does not constitute a revolution center around several issues.

Early studies of revolutions primarily analyzed events in European history from a psychological perspective, but more modern examinations include global events and incorporate perspectives from several social sciences, including sociology and political science.

Several generations of scholarly thought on revolutions have generated many competing theories and contributed much to the current understanding of this complex phenomenon.

While you may not believe America has as much recent experience as Portugal many would disagree.

The people with different perspective would be what our Government calls right-wing extremists.

Some left-wing extremists fit this role as well.

Which is why I do not buy into the left verses right nonsense here.

As a teenager I would have been considered a right-wing extremist.

The difference is I never blew up anything, never killed anybody, and never had intent to do so.

However, I had all of the knowledge, with none of the motive to do so.

I learned more about life and shifted towards the left-end of the scale.

Now I sit in the middle watching both sides being played against the middle.

Which is the crux of our discussion and how I see all of this playing out.

American citizens are being duped into buying a lot of political malarkey due to ignorance.

Some of the same ignorance you pointed out through a lack of current experience.

And as well a deplorable outlook within our society in people not remembering our past.

This is where conspiracy theorist's come into play as they are within the right-wing/left-wing nonsense.

Except for those few who know better and do not fall into the trap of fringe elements.

Especially with keeping from being recruited by foreign intelligence, terrorist cells, and or lead into a trap by malicious Government programs through False-Flag Operations, and or inept, malfeasant, or corrupt Government, Military, and Law Enforcement.

Are You "Right-Wing Fringe", or "Left-Wing Fringe" and How Will They Push You

I highly suggest you read my thread above and all of my answers to others within it.

I was pushed as a teenager by left-wing idiots who were drug pushers.

You can see a look into my perspective from personal experience.

Originally posted by ArMaP
No, more like people that have enough money not to bothered with having to work.

Well, this is where our opinions drastically differ, I guarantee you that.

Here in America this is not the conspiracy theorist community as a whole.

I can attest to it from my own current situation.

Completely jobless, seeking work, maintaining contacts, information, and awareness.

And I depise entitled rich fat-cats as those people here in America are those who control our country.

There is a part of where our experiences differ immensely as well as the control structure.

A different side of the coin if you will.

Whereas those Portugese you speak of are trouble to your Government they are the problem here.

And our own Government has manipulated our economic crisis into happening.

To create more complex issues to sidetrack the poor into seeking work, joining Government, or military.

Even pressuring people into volunteerism in regards to the Universal National Service Act.

Quote from : Universal National Service Act : 2010 Version

The Universal National Service Act of 2007 (H.R. 5741) is a bill introduced by Charles B. Rangel in the United States House of Representatives on July 15, 2010.

It again proposes the requirement that all residents - male and female - in the United States aged between 18 and 42 carry out national service for a period of two years, in the event of a war or national emergency, as declared by the president.

It allows no deferments after age 20.

I wrote a thread on that specifically.

Charles B. Rangel : Universal National Service Act, Being Investigated By An Ethics Committee,...

You might say I'm grandfathered in as a Boy Scout leader since 2006.

Originally posted by ArMaP
No, an intelligence-gathering operation without operatives.

Call them operatives or employees they still have a task and agenda.

Which can and will change.

Society is constantly changing due to the fluxes of different nationalies and the demands of citizens.

Originally posted by ArMaP
Are you talking about Europol or the Virtual Global Taskforce? I am only talking about the Virtual Global Taskforce.

Well, I wish I could just talk about one organization, but all are involved.

You cannot count one without the other in this regard.

To do so would to be foolish.

I know you are no fool.

I think perhaps though we're from two different societies and upbringings.

I've never had money, parents barely escaped the poverty level, and I know no rich people.

Whether you have ever had the same experience I cannot say and I will not assume.

Originally posted by ArMaP
Good for you, information is the best tool against those that have the power. The Lisbon Cardinal during most of the Portuguese dictatorship used to say that people only needed to know how to sign their name and little more. The law that governed the education ministry, in the part about eradicating illiteracy, was based on the idea that the people only needed to know how to read and write, so education would not go beyond the first four years of primary school.

That Cardinal sounds like the perfect prefect to manipulate the people into powerlessness.

First four years of primary school?

I cannot imagine a society as ignorant as that, no offense meant, but that is scary indeed.

No, let me say this, I can imagine one like that, and it would be easily controlled.

Something I never want to be a part of ever if I can help it.

My stepfather, a Vietnam era Marine, came into my life when I was 6 years old.

This is when my education began into Government, Military, and Law Enforcement.

Not only that but the Art of War, the Hegelian Dialectic, and how Government's abuse their people.

I then expanded upon that as I grew up with studies into Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece.

Next came Asia and Europe and all of the rest of history.

I am what some call a bibliophile and I read extensively.

I would rather be reading or leading others into their own destinies against Government abuses.

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
Okay, let me be more detailed, and specify this more to your perception.

Once one agency, national or international, invites another into operations together their scope changes.

OK, but in this case, one of those agencies does not really exist, it's just a site, and the way it works is by pointing the other agencies to cases in their areas.

Once I.C.E. got Europol involved in the Virtual Global Taskforce they shifted the paradigm.

What do you mean by "they"? ICE, Europol or the Virtual Global Taskforce? Sorry for keeping on asking these things, but I like to know exactly what I am talking about.

Those two agencies, I.C.E. and Europol, respectively, have agents and now gather intelligence.

Why do you say that they now gather intelligence? They keep on doing the same work they did before, but, being part of the VGT makes the sharing of information easier.

No, more like people that have enough money not to bothered with having to work.

I don't think you understood what I meant, I meant that the perception, in Portugal, of what a conspiracy theorist is, is someone that, because of having enough money, can afford not to work (or have a work that consumes just part of the day) and spend the rest of the time with their "hobby".

Call them operatives or employees they still have a task and agenda.

But the VGT is a virtual agency, as far as I understand it they do not have their own operatives or employees or whatever.

Well, I wish I could just talk about one organization, but all are involved.

They may be involved but they work in different ways, I don't think you can see the Europol as the same thing as the ICE or the VGT or the Australian Federal Police. All those organisations already existed before the creation of the VGT, and the VGT apparently only acts as a communication facilitator between the victims and the law enforcement agencies.

That Cardinal sounds like the perfect prefect to manipulate the people into powerlessness.

First four years of primary school?

I cannot imagine a society as ignorant as that, no offense meant, but that is scary indeed.

Yes, that's why most men that went to the war in Africa (where the colonies were trying to get their independence) didn't had a clue about the reasons of the war. My boss, even with some 9 years of specialised studies (I think it was in commerce) only knew why he was fighting when he started talking to the platoon doctor after the doctor refused to accept the orders not to treat the captured enemies.

PS: did you saw that the VGT, besides having those law enforcement agencies as members, have some "partners", including MSN, Vodafone, AOL (UK), etc.?

Originally posted by ArMaP
OK, but in this case, one of those agencies does not really exist, it's just a site, and the way it works is by pointing the other agencies to cases in their areas.

Just a site?

Websites all run through Internet servers.

Internet servers are basically like a search engine mixed with a computer database.

Originally posted by ArMaP
What do you mean by "they"? ICE, Europol or the Virtual Global Taskforce? Sorry for keeping on asking these things, but I like to know exactly what I am talking about.

The "they" I am referencing specifically is all three organizations.

Not only that but anyone affiliated with them.

Anyone linked to this initiative is a part of everything I've been talking about so far.

As well as future alliances, future initiatives, and future paradigm shifts.

Are you getting it yet?

Originally posted by ArMaP
Why do you say that they now gather intelligence? They keep on doing the same work they did before, but, being part of the VGT makes the sharing of information easier.

Well, yes, of course they were gathering intelligence and yes it is making sharing easier.

Do you mean to tell me you see nothing ominous about intelligence sharing?

Imagine what you referenced earlier about the Cardinal.

Now add all of this to the mix with various countries being oblivious to this nonsense.

Originally posted by ArMaP
I don't think you understood what I meant, I meant that the perception, in Portugal, of what a conspiracy theorist is, is someone that, because of having enough money, can afford not to work (or have a work that consumes just part of the day) and spend the rest of the time with their "hobby".

No, I understood perfectly, and I said exactly what I meant.

To Portugal a "conspiracy theorist" is merely a hobbyist.

Whereas it is not that way here in America or anywhere else.

Especially not when money has nothing to do with why we do it here.

Most of us here work long and hard hours and do this after that job is over for the day.

In my current situation however I am unemployed and job-seeking.

Originally posted by ArMaP
But the VGT is a virtual agency, as far as I understand it they do not have their own operatives or employees or whatever.

I think you need to re-read everything again.

No offense meant in the least.

Possibly something is being missed through translation between Portugal and America.

In English your first or second language?

I mean absolutely no disrespect but I believe youre missing the context of the discussion.

That's all.

Originally posted by ArMaP
They may be involved but they work in different ways, I don't think you can see the Europol as the same thing as the ICE or the VGT or the Australian Federal Police. All those organisations already existed before the creation of the VGT, and the VGT apparently only acts as a communication facilitator between the victims and the law enforcement agencies.

"Communication facilitator" means someone who clarifies a mission.

A middle-man.

Or in the Mafia as an example "the fixer" the man doing the dirty work to keep other hands clean.

In Law Enforcement or in the Intelligence Community it is called using deniability.

Originally posted by ArMaP
Yes, that's why most men that went to the war in Africa (where the colonies were trying to get their independence) didn't had a clue about the reasons of the war. My boss, even with some 9 years of specialised studies (I think it was in commerce) only knew why he was fighting when he started talking to the platoon doctor after the doctor refused to accept the orders not to treat the captured enemies.

PS: did you saw that the VGT, besides having those law enforcement agencies as members, have some "partners", including MSN, Vodafone, AOL (UK), etc.?

Glad to see at least the discussion about the Cardinal was clear.

With the Catholic church and pedophiles running rampant it is a wonder they were not targeted.

Ethically speaking treating wounded and or captured enemies is better than torture.

Most waring factions tell their own soldiers they will get tortured and their wives will be raped.

And the V.G.T. linking with those partners does not surprise me in the least.

The telecommunications industry has always been in bed with Big Government.

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
Just a site?

Websites all run through Internet servers.

Internet servers are basically like a search engine mixed with a computer database.

I know what a web server is I manage two, and they can be as static as text file or as complicated as imaginable.

You can have a web server without a search engine or a database, but they are good at tracking people.

The "they" I am referencing specifically is all three organizations.

So, you mean that there was a paradigm shift in Europol, in ICE, in the Autralian police, etc.?

Do you mean to tell me you see nothing ominous about intelligence sharing?

No, I mean to tell you that they are doing what they always did, the VGT only makes it easier (probably).

No, I understood perfectly, and I said exactly what I meant.

To Portugal a "conspiracy theorist" is merely a hobbyist.

It looks like you understood it.

I think you need to re-read everything again.

Probably.

In English your first or second language?

Third.
I learned it by watching TV and movies and I learned how to write by reading books and magazines.
One of the original reasons for me to join ATS was to practice my written English, it was something I haven't done before joining ATS.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


SKL,

On a serious note I see so many problems with all of these governmental agencies.

Just one tiny aspect of this problem...



So...we have the Pentagon employees leaving themselves wide open to blackmail threats...

How convenient that there would be an international governmental cooperation on this.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
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Again with the eye


They had to use an eye.


Why the eye?


They always use an eye.

That looks like a creepy NWO version of an Indalo to me.

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Indalo

The Indalo is a prehistoric magical symbol found in the cave of "Los Letreros" ("The Signboards") in Sierra de María-Los Vélez Natural Park in Vélez Blanco, Spain. It has been customary to paint the Indalo symbol on the front of houses and businesses to protect them from evil (similar to Kokopelli of the south-western USA) and is considered to be a god totem. The indalo has a Levantine origin and dates back to 2500 BC. The pictograph was named in memory of Saint Indaletius, and means Indal eccius (Messenger of the Gods) in the Iberian language.

Legend has it that the Indalo was a ghost that could hold and carry a rainbow in his hands (thus the arch over the head of the man). The Indalo has been adopted as the official symbol in the province of Almería, Spain. The Indalo symbol is used as a lucky charm in the Almeria region also. To carry the charm is only beneficial if it has been presented as a gift to you.

Wiki

Originally posted by ArMaP
I know what a web server is I manage two, and they can be as static as text file or as complicated as imaginable.

You can have a web server without a search engine or a database, but they are good at tracking people.

Of course.

But which is the more likely when Law Enforcement and Intelligence Agencies are involved?

I'm thinking databases, collecting, sifting, and sorting names, and tracking their every online move.

Again, if it's pedophiles, fine, if it's hackers/crackers, fine, but after that we need to watch.

And watch them like a hawk.

Speaking of databases, and why this went towards Nazi Germany, the birth of the databases.

Edwin Black : IBM and the Holocaust


Edwin Black IBM the Holocaust Smoking Gun Documents


Here is the I.B.M. and the Holocaust website.

We cannot speak of databases without speaking of the birth of them under I.B.M. and Hitler.

I.B.M. created them.

Hitler and the American Census program began using them around the same time during WWII.

Here is a thread I wrote on where I see the information databses heading.

No Place To Hide : Face Recognition, Information Data-Mining, and Loss of Anonymity

I see it going to all of that due to thorough research.

But it starts with organizations like the Virtual Global Taskforce under the auspices of innocence.

And people like Thomas J. Watson, a fascist, are who begin things like this to assist.

Whether their intent is innocent or they are trying to make money they are important.

By important I mean specifically they need to be thoroughly researched.

You cannot have Techno-Fascism without creating a need for something and then having the solution.

IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation

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Amazon Review :

Was IBM, "The Solutions Company," partly responsible for the Final Solution?

That's the question raised by Edwin Black's IBM and the Holocaust, the most controversial book on the subject since Daniel Jonah Goldhagen's Hitler's Willing Executioners.

Black, a son of Holocaust survivors, is less tendentiously simplistic than Goldhagen, but his thesis is no less provocative: he argues that IBM founder Thomas Watson deserved the Merit Cross (Germany's second-highest honor) awarded him by Hitler, his second-biggest customer on earth.

"IBM, primarily through its German subsidiary, made Hitler's program of Jewish destruction a technologic mission the company pursued with chilling success," writes Black.

"IBM had almost single-handedly brought modern warfare into the information age [and] virtually put the 'blitz' in the krieg."

The crucial technology was a precursor to the computer, the IBM Hollerith punch card machine, which Black glimpsed on exhibit at the U.S. Holocaust Museum, inspiring his five-year, top-secret book project. The Hollerith was used to tabulate and alphabetize census data.

Black says the Hollerith and its punch card data ("hole 3 signified homosexual ... hole 8 designated a Jew") was indispensable in rounding up prisoners, keeping the trains fully packed and on time, tallying the deaths, and organizing the entire war effort.

Hitler's regime was fantastically, suicidally chaotic; could IBM have been the cause of its sole competence: mass-murdering civilians?

Better scholars than I must sift through and appraise Black's mountainous evidence, but clearly the assessment is overdue.

The moral argument turns on one question: How much did IBM New York know about IBM Germany's work, and when?

Black documents a scary game of brinksmanship orchestrated by IBM chief Watson, who walked a fine line between enraging U.S. officials and infuriating Hitler.

He shamefully delayed returning the Nazi medal until forced to--and when he did return it, the Nazis almost kicked IBM and its crucial machines out of Germany.

(Hitler was prone to self-defeating decisions, as demonstrated in How Hitler Could Have Won World War II.)

This goes more towards to the overall broad spectrum of the history of the information databases.

Which goes into the War on Terror angle of this particular thread more than anything else.

All databases are linked to the birth of information abuse through I.B.M. and Hitler.

Speaking of databases as well Katherine Albrecht is fighting this just like Edwin Black.

Katherine Albrecht is the founder of CASPIAN and going after Grocery Stores collecting information.

Quote from : Wikipedia : CASPIAN

Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering (CASPIAN) is a USA grass-roots consumer group dedicated to fighting supermarket "loyalty" or frequent shopper cards.

CASPIAN's efforts are directed at educating consumers, condemning marketing strategies that invade shoppers' privacy, and encouraging privacy-conscious shopping habits.

CASPIAN also spreads information and opinions that purport to warn the public about the privacy risks associated with universal adoption of RFID technology.

CASPIAN refers to RFID tags as "Spychips."

CASPIAN was founded in October 1999 by Katherine Albrecht.

As other people and you ask more questions I will of course expand upon the information.

This is all intimately tied into "alien abductions" and "cattle mutilation" though.

Through organizations like Destron Fearing and I.B.M.

Quote from : Destron Fearing Website

Destron Fearing is a global leader in innovative animal identification.

With presence in over 40 countries worldwide we seek to provide real world ID solutions to match the ever increasing complexity and opportunities related to animal identification.

Since 1945 we have provided innovative products addressing the needs of livestock producers, companion animal owners, horse owners, wildlife managers and government agencies.

Destron Fearing provides a full complement of radio frequency identification products and software solutions to automate the collection of critical livestock production and carcass information.

Individual and herd information can then be easily transferred between all parties involved in the production and retail of meat products.

Information sharing allows the food industry to meet the discriminating demands of the market place.

And thank you for your patience while I expand upon my answers and widen the scope of the thread.

Originally posted by ArMaP
So, you mean that there was a paradigm shift in Europol, in ICE, in the Autralian police, etc.?

Yes, that's exactly what I meant, a paradigm shift over the broad spectrum of all involved.

Originally posted by ArMaP
No, I mean to tell you that they are doing what they always did, the VGT only makes it easier (probably).

Maybe we're being semantical more than argumentative then with our discussion.

And that is fine.

Splitting hairs is fine by me as long as we're on the same page.

Originally posted by ArMaP
It looks like you understood it.

Yes I did.

Originally posted by ArMaP
Third.

I learned it by watching TV and movies and I learned how to write by reading books and magazines.
One of the original reasons for me to join ATS was to practice my written English, it was something I haven't done before joining ATS.

Okay.

I hope you understand I only asked because I wanted to clarify why we were having difficulty.

Nothing was meant to suggest anythin nor was it meant to offend you.

And I hope that my book suggestions/references give you a more full understanding of the English language.

I would love to hear about your server experience within your replies if possible.

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No doubt about that.

Is it sloppy background checks?

Were they done sloppily to let them infiltrate?

So as to later expose them and or blackmail then so as to gain more power?

Exposing them opens the floodgate of "needing more stringent" background checks.

Which plays into the entire process of everything within this thread.

Blackmailing them opens the floodgate the other way of obeying a secret master.

Two threads I've done on blackmail specifically.

Blackmail : Keep Your Friends Close, Keep Your Enemies Closer, The Threat of Subversion Through Fear

...and...

Political Currency : Secret Societies, Those They Blackmail, and the Corrupt Currency...

And one on political ethics involving expanding powerbases within American Government.

Charles B. Rangel : Universal National Service Act, Being Investigated By An Ethics Committee,...

Is Rangel being blackmailed or forced to shut up about information he's in the know about?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Power, whether in Congress, Senate, Law Enforcement, or the Intelligence Communites is gained this way.

Hell, the C.I.A., or Central Intelligence Agency, would not exist today, without having blackmailed people.

reply to post by FortAnthem


Yes, FortAnthem, thank you for expanding this into Spain and more specifically, Mexico.

The Mexican/American border has been an issue with Human Trafficking.

This is disturbing to say the least because of many aspect which are mind-numbing.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Human Trafficking

Human trafficking is the illegal trade in human beings for the purposes of reproductive slavery, commercial sexual exploitation, forced labor, or a modern-day form of slavery.

The Protocol to Prevent, Suppress and Punish Trafficking in Persons, especially Women and Children (also referred to as the Trafficking Protocol) was adopted by the United Nations in Palermo, Italy in 2000, and is an international legal agreement attached to the United Nations Convention against Transnational Organized Crime.

The Trafficking Protocol is one of three Protocols adopted to supplement the Convention.

The Protocol is the first global, legally binding instrument on trafficking in over half a century and the only one that sets out an agreed definition of trafficking in persons.

The purpose of the Protocol is to facilitate convergence in national cooperation in investigating and prosecuting trafficking in persons.

An additional objective of the Protocol is to protect and assist the victims of trafficking in persons with full respect for their human rights.

The Trafficking Protocol defines human trafficking as:

The recruitment, transportation, transfer, harboring or receipt of persons, by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person, for the purpose of exploitation.

Exploitation shall include, at a minimum, the exploitation of the prostitution of others or other forms of sexual exploitation, forced labor or services, slavery or practices similar to slavery, servitude or the removal of organs.

The consent of a victim of trafficking in persons to the intended exploitation set forth [above] shall be irrelevant where any of the means set forth [above] have been used.

The Trafficking Protocol entered into force on 25 December 2003.

By June 2010, the Trafficking Protocol had been ratified by 117 countries and 137 parties.

Over 130 countries involved.

Yet no one has shut this down, the Human trafficking, it is almost as if building a powerbase.

With Destron Fearing earlier I tied it into the R.F.I.D. chip program.

And with you bringing up Spain and me Mexico this ties it into the El Chupacabra.

Quote from : Wikipedia : El Chupacabra

The chupacabras (Spanish pronunciation: [tʃupaˈkaβɾas], from chupar "to suck" and cabra "goat", literally "goat sucker") is a legendary cryptid rumored to inhabit parts of the Americas.

It is associated more recently with sightings of an allegedly unknown animal in Puerto Rico (where these sightings were first reported), Mexico, and the United States, especially in the latter's Latin American communities.

The name comes from the animal's reported habit of attacking and drinking the blood of livestock, especially goats.

Physical descriptions of the creature vary. Eyewitness sightings have been claimed as early as 1995 in Puerto Rico, and have since been reported as far north as Maine, and as far south as Chile.

It is supposedly a heavy creature, the size of a small bear, with a row of spines reaching from the neck to the base of the tail.

Biologists and wildlife management officials view the chupacabras as a contemporary legend.

In July 2010, an animal was killed and reported to be a chupacabra, but found to be a coyote with a severe parasite infection.

In October of that year, University of Michigan scientists theorised that parasite-riddled coyotoes (specifically the parasites responsible for scabies and mange) were likely the basis for the chupacabra legend.

Sounds like a man-made Chimera to me but it all about the fear-factor.

Aliens, the Boogeyman, and Creatures That Go Bump In the Night

My parents tried the boogeyman nonsense with me and I brought a baseball bat.

Originally posted by neo96
someone clear this up for me please

why are they meeting in the middle east? is there that much child explotation there?

correct me if i am wrong here but doesnt most of the child exploitation come from asia?

For a while now all of industry has been reaping the rewards of the 2nd Iraq War.

Moving industry and businesses to there is a part of the "gold rush" of warfare.

This is a large part of why all of the "private military contractors" have been there.

In order to protect the businesses raking in trillions in cash, tax-benefits, and war-profiteering.

Trust me, I'm in the know about all of this information, I've been tracking Blackwater/Xe.

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
But which is the more likely when Law Enforcement and Intelligence Agencies are involved?

I'm thinking databases, collecting, sifting, and sorting names, and tracking their every online move.

But they don't need the VGT to do that, and it's not the VGT with their sites that are going to get information that other agencies do not already have.

We cannot speak of databases without speaking of the birth of them under I.B.M. and Hitler.

I.B.M. created them.

Hitler and the American Census program began using them around the same time during WWII.

No, the system is older, it was used by the American census program in 1890, 40 years before the Nazis getting to power in Germany.

The Nazis only realised how useful a good database can be, even if it wasn't a relational database system, if the information is well organised you have half of the work done.

And thank you for your patience while I expand upon my answers and widen the scope of the thread.

No problem, it's always good to have a civilised discussion with someone, even if it takes me some time to understand what is said.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant, a paradigm shift over the broad spectrum of all involved.

So, what changed in Europol, for example?

I hope you understand I only asked because I wanted to clarify why we were having difficulty.

No problems, I always think that the first things we should do when speaking with other people is to know exactly what we are talking about and if both are understanding what the other person says.

I would love to hear about your server experience within your replies if possible.

It will be easier if you ask something, I never know where to start, that's why I made so few threads in all these years.