Actuall 9/11 Pilots

Ive been doing some research but have not found anything I've been looking for, so I decided to come here, and ask any ATS members if they know the answer. Since the original 9/11 hi-jackers are alive and well. Have we discovered who the actual pilots were? They claimed that some of the pilots trained at a daytona flight school, but then the pilots being accused of terrorist spoke out and said "woah woah im still alive" and in fact are pilots for a Saudi Arabian airlines. That would explain that flight school. But do we know yet who the actual hijackers are?
Thankyou

I think I know who hijacked the United States gov't....
I'm also not sure 4 planes were the culprits that day, especially at the Pentagon.
Do you know anyone who can fly a hologram cartoon plane?

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Originally posted by santjimebut then the pilots being accused of terrorist spoke out and said "woah woah im still alive" and in fact are pilots for a Saudi Arabian airlines. That would explain that flight school. But do we know yet who the actual hijackers are?
Thankyou

edit on 7-4-2011 by santjime because: (no reason given)

didnt know that you got a link to a source? You wont get the answer to your question as all we can do is guess as the whole thing was covered up. I personally think the wtc planes were un maned remotely controlled into their targets

Originally posted by santjime
Ive been doing some research but have not found anything I've been looking for, so I decided to come here, and ask any ATS members if they know the answer. Since the original 9/11 hi-jackers are alive and well. Have we discovered who the actual pilots were?

alive and well huh?
here are some interesting articles that you may have overlooked..
please add these to your knowledge base..
and anyone else new to this should also read them..

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the first link has a wealth of information in it,,
the second is an overview of the claim..
and the subsequent links, are a more or less in depth report on each of the supposedly still alive highjackers..

Some of them were reported as the hijackers then it was learned that they were still alive. Many MSM outlets and some individuals as well have used the "birth date" confusion to muddy the facts about this. Fact remains, some were said/thought to be the hijackers when in fact they were not. To this day we do not know exactly how many nor exactly whom they really were.

What Really Happened

The spelling and mis-spelling of certain regional names of middle eastern tribes played a part in this confusion also. But the facts remain that the 911 Commission got it wrong, they did not and still do not have all of the correct ID's of those involved in 911. Not that I take his word as 'the truth" but no one can dismiss the fact that Usama Bin Laden came right out and denied having any involvement in 911. Add into that the fact that the FBI has stated over & over they do not have evidence to charge him with 911 if or when he is found. Not to forget to mention that on the famous FBI wanted flyer for UBL, the 911 charge is not listed. That in and of itself adds credence to UBL's denial

September 16, 2001
Osama bin Laden denies any involvement in the 9/11 attacks in a statement to Al Jazeera television, saying, "I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons."

Source - PBS

Why would UBL deny the attack when it would have propelled him into "rock star status" with his peers who hate America and western influence? I firmly believe without hesitation that if he had have pulled off 911, he would have claimed it the day of.

reply to post by Humint1

Usama Bin Laden came right out and denied having any involvement in 911.

No he didn't, look it up. A reporter, I believe for an Indian newspaper, gave a list of written questions to someone reporting to have contacts with the Taliban. The reporter than recieved written responses from person or persons unknown reputing to have had contact with OBL. There is no direct evidence that OBL ever denied having anything to do with 9/11.

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Learn to read please....See link above and read it before making empty claims.

According to Wikipedia the crews of the 9-11 flights were:


American Airlines Flight 77:

The flight crew included pilot Charles Burlingame, First Officer David Charlebois, and flight attendants Michele Heidenberger, Jennifer Lewis, Kenneth Lewis, and Renee May.

Wiki


United Airlines Flight 175

The nine crew members included pilot Victor Saracini, First Officer Michael Horrocks, and flight attendants Robert Fangman, Amy Jarret, Amy King, Kathryn Laborie, Alfred Marchand, Michael Tarrou, and Alicia Titus.

Wiki

American Airlines Flight 11

The 11 crew members included pilot John Ogonowski, First Officer Thomas McGuinness, and flight attendants Barbara Arestegui, Jeffrey Collman, Sara Low, Karen Martin, Kathleen Nicosia, Betty Ong, Jean Roger, Dianne Snyder, and Madeline Sweeney.

Wiki

United Airlines Flight 93

The seven crew members were pilot Jason Dahl, First Officer LeRoy Homer, Jr., and flight attendants Lorraine Bay, Sandra Bradshaw, Wanda Green, CeeCee Lyles, and Deborah Welsh.

Wiki


Its Wikipedia so the info may not be 100% accurate but, the names give you a place to start to find out if any of them are still alive today.

It's a good bet that very few, if any, of the claimed plane travellers that day are alive, but I would not discourage looking by any means.

To me it also appeared the planes that hit WTC1 & 2 were remote controlled, likely during an "exercise" that was actually live, not that someone controlling the plane through a simulator interface (or so they thought) would have any idea their actions were taking place in the real world. I recall reading that those flights may have not even taken off that day? I don't know about that, but assuming they did actually take off and were grounded and replaced by remote controlled aircraft then perhaps the "hijackers" actually did take those planes to the ground...for a landing, and then the passengers were executed (either by the hijackers, or by a cleaning squad of our own)? Given the connections between some of the hijackers and the DOD/Intelligence who knows what they thought they were actually doing - did they, too, think it was some crazy intense drill (which I highly doubt), or where there people in our system playing them as tools pretending to be traitors/spies/sympathetic and helping them pull this off, making them think they were going to pull of a simple hijack (and mass murder of the passengers?) for who knows what actual ends, all the while those within our system had an entirely different plan in the real picture, using them to help eliminate the evidence of the actual flights in order to keep the illusion of the drone flights being those actual passenger jets.

As for the Pentagon pilot, perhaps he was the escort or even launcher of the drone (or other remote armed military craft) & its missile that hit the pentagon and was killed for just that reason. If I recall correctly he was the same pilot to run a similar drill some time before this actually occurred, so he would be well qualified to do it again, only live this time. Perhaps he, too, was setup to think it was a drill and upon seeing his drill actually let loose a live attack was disposed of upon return. Or perhaps he was under some other impression, such as testing the new Pentagon defense designs. A great many "passengers" on that particular flight could very easily have been people with insider knowledge as to what happened that day and events that led up to it, and what better way to cover a murder than make it look like they were on that plane. I last noticed that there was a school field trip on that plane - that currently befuddles me.

Thank you all so much for yalls contribution!! Ive been so busy so I have yet to have the time to go through all these post and analyze them! but in due time I most deffinitley will! I just havent had time yet, but i appreciate all the contributions!
@ nefarious could you elaborate a bit on the pentagon pilot part? im a bit confused by that, i believe it was a smaller global hawk with American Airline drawing on it that had hit it. And do we Americans have a cleaning squad, that would be interesting to read up on that, and did you mean cleansing squad?

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You might want to do the same and actually do some research. Not entirely this is going to work, so you might have to do some looking but...

web.archive.org...://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_410936.html

The interview with the accused terror mastermind appeared in the Karachi daily Ummat, believed to have close connections to Islamic groups in Afghanistan.

The newspaper says it submitted questions for bin Laden to Taliban officials and received written replies.

reply to post by vipertech0596

Osama bin Laden denies any involvement in the 9/11 attacks in a statement to Al Jazeera television, saying, "I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons."

...in a statement to Al Jazeera television...

Al Jazeera has interviewed UBL on several occassions in person. The BBC submitted those questions you referrenced, NOT Al Jazeeza. In fact most US media outlets submitted questions to UBL's rep in the Gulf prior to 911 however the day of 911 when they broadcasted that UBL caused and was behind the attacks, UBL sent the statement to Al Jazeera via courier. I know this for a fact, don't believe me? Then call Al Jazeera and they will tell you the same thing as well.
Source: Al Jazeera @ Tel: (974) 4489-7446 *yes its formatted correct*

YOU need to get the facts right and stop spouting lies and inaccuracies because of yours and America's denial in what actually happened on 911. Including the complicit behavior & actions of politicos and other government players that helped pull it off. many of your type like to muddy the facts by inserting fact + half truth + attack in order to come off as citing a fact or making a correction when what your really doing is further promoting the lies and deception regarding the actual facts about the events of 911.

By doing that it a disgrace upon those who died on 911.

And again, a little bit more research finds this....( a little bit of background with your "interview")

I was not ready to say that bin Laden is involved in the [9/11] attacks. You see, I was questioning the assumption that he is involved. When I visited Afghanistan, I spent some days there, I was totally changed because I saw the pictures of Atta [the lead hijacker] hanging in the [al Qaeda] hideouts. Privately they admitted everything. They said, they [who attacked on 9/11] are our brothers, but they said that “When the Americans kill Muslims in Sudan, they don’t admit that we are responsible for the attacks. When the Indians kill Kashmiris, they don’t admit that we have killed them. So now this is our turn. We have killed them and we are not going to admit that.

My tape recorder was on and one very important al Qaeda leader he turned off my tape recorder and said, “Yes, I did it. Okay. Now play your tape recorder.” I played the tape recorder and he said “No, I’m not responsible”.

Hamid Mir interview with Peter Bergen, Islamabad, May 11 2002 and March 2005
Chapter 10, The Osama bin Laden I Know, Peter L Bergen


Not to mention, if you research other attacks that he was involved with, there is a similar pattern of "Im not responsible, but yes, I was responsible" that comes from Bin Laden.

reply to post by vipertech0596


www.welfarestate.com...
according to that and other FBI websites, atta is still alive. . . and paying his billls.

reply to post by santjime

Atta’s father, a lawyer, said he had not heard from his son since the attack, but was confident he had nothing to do with the carnage.

archive.arabnews.com...

Lets see, you link a conspiracy site in which a notepad document comes up mentioning a phone call Atta Sr supposedly received from his son on Sept 13....and yet I post a NEWS source that does not mention that phone call. Not to mention Mr Atta Sr's story has changed...with the exception of him stating his has not heard from his son since before 9/11

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All that post said was that Atta was a good man, went to school study hard, never got into bad things, your basically backing me up? It said his father had not heard from his son since thee attack, it had been 8 days. no shocker there. But why would a guy with so much going for him, all the suddent turn to al queda and killhimself?
here is FBI website . . . that backs me up
www.fbi.gov...

reply to post by santjime


You link an FBI webpage that shows Mohammed Atta as one of the hijackers. And somehow that backs up your fantasy that he is still alive?

Originally posted by santjime
Thank you all so much for yalls contribution!! Ive been so busy so I have yet to have the time to go through all these post and analyze them! but in due time I most deffinitley will! I just havent had time yet, but i appreciate all the contributions!
@ nefarious could you elaborate a bit on the pentagon pilot part? im a bit confused by that, i believe it was a smaller global hawk with American Airline drawing on it that had hit it. And do we Americans have a cleaning squad, that would be interesting to read up on that, and did you mean cleansing squad?

That pilot could have been running the remote side of the global hawk, or perhaps flying a full size escort craft as I recall there were some reports and analysis that were claiming another large aircraft in the area. I'm speculating beyond my study recollection here.

As for a cleaning squad, that's just a loose term for anyone (SWAT, Army, Marines, or whoever) brought in as a black op to mop up the floor.