Ron Paul accuses Bush sr. and democrats of drug trafficking

Here is one from the archives.

The whole Iran-Contra affair is what got me interested in "conspiracy" theories to begin with.

The video is an interview with a young Ron Paul who accuses George H. W. Bush and the CIA of being involved in drug trafficking. He states what most of us here on ATS already know, that international intelligence agencies depend on profits from illicit activities to sidestep government oversight of covert operations... the true hidden government.

As Dr. Paul points out, this is a bipartisan issue, as the democrats never emphasized an issue which could have radically affected the election, a sign that members on both sides of the aisle were aware of this illegal activity.

On a side note to this point, here is the GOOGLE search results for information on MENA AIRPORT that was a hub for importing coc aine into the U.S. The interesting connection here is the Mena is in Arkansas, the same place Bush's successor, a little known governor at the time, would come from. (This is ATS after all, so I am throwing this supposition out to you... cover-up perhaps?)




Enjoy and discuss.

the Billmeister

reply to post by Billmeister

As Dr. Paul points out, this is a bipartisan issue, as the democrats never emphasized an issue which could have radically affected the election, a sign that members on both sides of the aisle were aware of this illegal activity.

Is that really a sign or is he grasping at straws to make it appear bi-partisan?

He's defiantly right about the drug laws. do you know how much money we waste a year fighting that war? $17 billion per year fighting drugs, and that was in 1999. they would rather get rid of the food stamps than this. other countries have proven the fact that once the law is abolished, it will no longer have that taboo and less would buy/sell. that is just my own opinion.

Originally posted by newcovenant
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As Dr. Paul points out, this is a bipartisan issue, as the democrats never emphasized an issue which could have radically affected the election, a sign that members on both sides of the aisle were aware of this illegal activity.

Is that really a sign or is he grasping at straws to make it appear bi-partisan?

That may very well be the case, definitely guilt from "not publicizing" would not hold much weight in a court of law.

However, if you have some spare time to waste, have a look at the Mena link I posted above, it is the introduction into possible similar shady dealings by Bill Clinton and his entourage.

Those who know me, know that I am very, very cynical when it comes to most of those who participate in government and I believe that the party lines don't mean a thing. They are all part of the same criminal syndicate!

the Billmeister

Of course Bill Clinton was up to his eyeballs in it, there was heaps of scandal going on with one of his partners at one stage. He managed to come out squeaky clean with a little help, but he dirty as. Obama was not even born in the USA, so there is a lot of power to pretend that some things just don't happen in the media. If Ron Paul brings up issues like this at the next election he is going to hit Obama hard. With the dependences on drugs, a decriminalisation policy would be the best way out to shut down the black market, but it will be a hot issue.

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True enough. Even if they are pure idealists when they arrive they are cynical and corrupt when they depart. Thanks. I will check it out.

Somewhere on ATS are threads about this episode, including Oliver North as the director of it.

Seems like there's a progression of blame taking place in topics like this:

Bush Sr. and the CIA, with operative like Oliver North, engage in illegal drug and arms trafficking to finance covert operations (Iran/Contra). Democrats didn't emphasize the issue during political debates.

Then it becomes;
Bush Sr. and the democrats engage in illegal drug and arms trafficking to finance covert operations.

In these partisan hacks minds it becomes;
Democrats engage in illegal drug trafficking.

Republicans did the deed, Dems get the blame, in this case and according to RP, for not "emphasizing the issue". It's petty partisan BS and it detracts from RP's position. He looks like a partisan hack when he lumps Dems in there when this was 100% a neo-con scandal.

This is probably one of the most serious and grievous crimes against Americans in a long time, not since the Rosenbergs sold our nuclear secrets to the Ruskies. I don't think anything Clinton did comes even close in comparison.

Ronald Reagan, Bush Sr., and the CIA sold arms to IRAN, who are probably now poised to be our biggest threat. They used the money from these arms sales to fund the contras. They with the CIA get involved in the drug cartels as a source for funding anything blackops related. The CIA is still smuggling drugs and arms for the cartels.

So with crack flooding the streets of America, think to yourself "our own government did this", and when a shooting war breaks out with Iran, think "our own government sold them the arms on the blackmarket killing American soldiers". Those are your neo-con heroes for you.

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I honestly think that this is a para-partisan issue, in that the Iran-Contra scandal revealed the existence and, to some extent, the workings of a "secret government".

This goes beyond political parties into the world of organized crime and its relation to government agencies.

The fact that there were no consequences for the participants of the Iran-Contra dealings and little or no follow-up from the media or future administrations, certainly leads one to believe that this "secret government" has not ceased its activities.

It also points to there being some level of collusion in the upper echelons of power and wealth. Perhaps giving us a glimpse into the infamous hidden hand of "the powers that be" so often discussed here on ATS.

Needless to say, there are HUGE sums of money in the illicit drug market, and many people are willing to bypass any and all personal morals and ethics to get a piece of the action.

the Billmeister

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Wouldn't surprise me in the least were it true.

Mr Paul needs to drop the legalization of marijuana from his platform if he truly wishes to get elected. I agree with him on the issue, but it won't help him get elected. As for the coke trafficking, it's old news obviously and has been extensively covered on ATS before. Interesting fact about the Mena airport- It's known to almost all pilots across the country as the fastest place to get your plane repainted and renumbered.

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lol. war on drugs - absolutely pitiful.

Michael Ruppert built his credibility on this CIA drug smuggling/money laundering issue, it's all true.

Originally posted by dontdrinkthewater
Michael Ruppert built his credibility on this CIA drug smuggling/money laundering issue, it's all true.

I especially enjoyed this scene (also from the archives) of Mr. Ruppert confronting the CIA's director in a Los Angeles town meeting... one thing is for sure, no one can doubt his courage. As for the director, I believe that is what we call "squirming".



Again, the problem is when the police polices the police, no real policing gets done. (try saying that 5 times fast!)

This is true up to the office of the president (or the vice-president, in the case of Reagan/Bush, as many claim), and no accountability is ever brought to those involved. From a citizens point of view, this flagrant side-stepping of Congress, the Constitutional institution created to avoid such things, creates a truly secret government which can act for interests unknown.

the Billmeister

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I do not doubt it one bit as this is one very real "conspiracy" that brought the existence of shadow governments and illegal activities by the highest levels of the White House to light, however, I did use the search engine, and did not find this video posted.

Being that I consider this particular episode of history to be of great importance I deemed that the members of ATS might welcome a renewed discussion.

I would be interested in your thoughts on the topic.

the Billmeister

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You should have more stars here.
Why is it the most interesting stories get buried under the rest?

reply to post by newcovenant


I am (obviously) also more interested in these "real-world" conspiracies on ATS as opposed to the whole UFO/Alien angle.

This particular event is of importance because all the people involved in what were proven to be illegal activities, and bypassing congress, are still active in the political arena to this day.

I guess the nature of a popular site such as this, and the immense amount of activity it generates means that a few good discussions will get lost in the lot. Unless of course, this subject really isn't that interesting to most.

Cheers,

the Billmeister

Bush Sr was director of CIA when Bill Clinton was an up and comer in Arkansas. There was an international airport in Arkansas with no customs.

Bush became prez, then Clinton followed in the foot steps. Coincidence??

Is it a coincidence that the CIA funds its ops from the countries where it installed governments? South America and South East Asia.

Originally posted by Rekrul
He's defiantly right about the drug laws. do you know how much money we waste a year fighting that war? $17 billion per year fighting drugs, and that was in 1999. they would rather get rid of the food stamps than this. other countries have proven the fact that once the law is abolished, it will no longer have that taboo and less would buy/sell. that is just my own opinion.

This makes a lot of sense also. I wish we were close to some solution or at least that everyone was on the same page, recognized this is a problem that has deep and permanent consequences and begin to repair it. I remember when it was considered unethical or unscrupulous to advertise for various medications on the television. Television at the time was thought to be very powerful and would have an effect on people. Now death from PRESCRIPTION DRUGS has overtaken automobile deaths in America so they were right, it is powerful and not only big pharma but insurance companies are the only ones making out here. I almost would not mind if it were the backbone of the health and medical field the doctors and nurses who are vital to my life but to have such a drain on the public for big pharma and insurance?
The Mafia could take some tips from this industry.
This is like paying graft for protection on our lives and all the drugs we can stomach.

Originally posted by zroth

The smear campaign against Ron Paul is sad and too early. people don't remember 18 months ago. that is when we will vote by the way.

Bush Sr was director of CIA when Bill Clinton was an up and comer in Arkansas. There was an international airport in Arkansas with no customs.

Bush became prez, then Clinton followed in the foot steps. Coincidence??

Is it a coincidence that the CIA funds its ops from the countries where it installed governments? South America and South East Asia.

Wake up! The smear campaign against Ron Paul is so obvious.

One of us is on the wrong thread. Where is the smear?
Holster that thing why don't you? - Seems a little trigger happy.
There is no condemnation of Ron Paul here.
In fact I think just the opposite.