Perpetual Motion Engine Design Revealed

The design for the elusive Perpetual Motion Engine has been revealed. Many years ago I attempted to build one using magnets placed around a pole at various angles, well it lasted for about 25 minutes after getting it going but eventually stopped. Then I looked at our solar system and said wow it is already here. My design if scientists can do this is this. In a space vacuum build an identical solar system engine with large magnets as the spinning planets around a central magnet. I wont say nuclear reactor it has to be a large magnet but maybe it may have to be nuclear. Anyway it is all sealed in a massive lead lined vaccumed unit. Eactly how the planets continueuosly spin around the sun these super magnets will continueously spin around '' The Mother Magnet '' by copying our solar system we can build these engines of the future to help us all. Thankyou (C) 2011 Amateur scientist Vincenzo Ruello

reply to post by shroudnews77
The planets' orbits result from their kinetic energy versus gravity.

While most have magnetic fields of some sort, some don't, like Venus, and as you can see, Venus orbits just fine without a magnetic field.

So I'm not sure why you say you need magnets, Venus isn't magnetic.

www.windows2universe.org...

Venus is special case of a rocky planet with no magnetic field.

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Well I dont know about Venus but it is still held in place by the force of the sun so in this engine the planet like objects will have to be magnetic of some sought

Interesting theory, but why try to replicate what's already there? Why not instead find a way to tap into the energies that are abundant from the already existing "generators"? Tesla was on the right track...free energy for all I say...

i really like the idea, I think it is great.

When will I be able to get one for my car?

Yes, it's true current solar system models depend heavily on massive amounts of kinetic energy remaining from the accretion process versus the gravity of the sun. The ''magnetic solar system engine'' you have proposed would require a significant amount of energy to do it's work.

Originally posted by guessing
i really like the idea, I think it is great.

When will I be able to get on for my car?

Just send any of the guys that claim perpetual motion some money.... they all will have something for your car.....

Gyroscopes will also have to be added. My theory is that once started it will never end. An initial start up force will be required. Imagine having one in each country a giant one that could power all our needs. Small ones can also be built for our cars too and boat engines its endless..........please flag this as a scientist of the future may actually build it.

Originally posted by shroudnews77
Gyroscopes will also have to be added. My theory is that once started it will never end. An initial start up force will be required. Imagine having one in each country a giant one that could power all our needs. Small ones can also be built for our cars too and boat engines its endless..........please flag this as a scientist of the future may actually build it.

What about when the world ends, does the gyroscope keep going?

second line.

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Something has to keep moving

Originally posted by shroudnews77
The design for the elusive Perpetual Motion Engine has been revealed. Many years ago I attempted to build one using magnets placed around a pole at various angles, well it lasted for about 25 minutes after getting it going but eventually stopped. Then I looked at our solar system and said wow it is already here. My design if scientists can do this is this. In a space vacuum build an identical solar system engine with large magnets as the spinning planets around a central magnet. I wont say nuclear reactor it has to be a large magnet but maybe it may have to be nuclear. Anyway it is all sealed in a massive lead lined vaccumed unit. Eactly how the planets continueuosly spin around the sun these super magnets will continueously spin around '' The Mother Magnet '' by copying our solar system we can build these engines of the future to help us all. Thankyou (C) 2011 Amateur scientist Vincenzo Ruello

edit on 5-4-2011 by shroudnews77 because: spelling and grammar sorry again

edit on 5-4-2011 by shroudnews77 because: spelling

Wow a design that doesn't specify what energy is being harnessed and doesn't explain how it is harnessed. Sorry my friend you have revealed no more than a common fortune cookie reveals.

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Electrical energy what else.

reply to post by shroudnews77


You do realize that gravity is what is at work in the solar system. Among other forces, sure - but the primary role is played by gravity (so far as we can tell).

The energy you are talking about harnessing is the kinetic energy of a given body - drawing energy from a planet's orbit will slow that planet. This will change the planet's orbit and eventually lead to a decaying orbit where the planet crashes into the sun.

While the energies involved are absolutely astronomical in proportion - but there's nothing 'perpetual' about them.

A simple example is a fly-wheel. A 'perfect' fly-wheel has all of its mass along its circumference and a perfect bearing on which to rotate (no losses to friction). When spun, this fly-wheel will spin 'forever' (discounting losses to gyroscopic procession, frame-drag, etc). Its motion could be considered "perpetual." But its motion is not useful - it's not doing anything (except for maybe being used in navigation equipment).

The moment you start using that fly-wheel to do something useful - such as turn a generator or accelerate another mass, the energy stored in the fly-wheel (in the form of a rotating mass) is transferred and consumed. If you have a 500 megaton fly-wheel spinning at 10,000 RPM with a diameter of 5 kilometers, you are probably not going to notice much if you use it to sling a two-pound rock. However, if you're using a hand-spun gyroscope to fling a rock, it will be much more noticeable.

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Our solar system has been going on and on for only God knows how long.

I suggest you do about 6-8 years of research into thermodynamics especificly into the definition of entropy.

You'll learn alot. perpetuality can be obtained, but its not as simple as you think to do. Exchange of any energy poses some form of loss. However if you find a way to produce more gains than your losses what you would have there is overunity in system design.

goodluck my friend.

Elusive indeed. You are ignoring the energy you need to supply to bring your magnets to their orbital velocities in the first place. And why magnets? Why not a string or a rigid link? Not as fancy as magnets but equally effective and much simpler and cheaper. But then all you've got is a flywheel: en.wikipedia.org...

There is a very simple principle that can be applied to all perpetual motion designs(magnetic, gravitational, electrostatic, ...). Look at the state of the device after a full cycle. If there is no change, there is no work. This is also true for planets orbiting the sun(neglecting any friction).

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The Earth's rotation has been slowing down since it's been around, too. Even the orbit is slowing - though to a much less noticeable degree. The Earth has been slowing primarily because of the tidal forces acting between it and the moon. Much of our geothermal heat comes from this interaction - the 'spin' of the Earth is turned into heat. Similar tidal forces acting on the Earth from the standpoint of the sun also serve to drive this (though not nearly to the extent as the moon).

And one day, we will eventually lose the moon. The moon's orbit is such that the sun "pulls" it away from us. The decay will be exponential - it only moves away at about an inch per year now - but a million years from now, it will be moving away in meters or kilometers each year (not really sure what the time frame is - I just know that it will be with us for a while and then just fling out on its own very quickly).

Perpetual motion is different than over-unity. A device capable of perpetual motion is pretty "simple" to build in concept. You have a machine that simply doesn't lose any of its kinetic energy into other forms. It doesn't squeak or have any friction (which turns to heat), doesn't pass any energy on to the air around it - or even lose energy to the effects of frame-dragging (that's a little more daunting of a task).

That's perpetual motion - it just sits there and does as much as possible -not- to interact with the rest of the universe. The moment you try and use that motion for something, you draw energy out of it and the motion begins to slow or cease.

In the case of the solar system - those are absolutely massive amounts of energy tied up in the system, so drawing out a few measly petawatts of power is unnoticeable.

Originally posted by shroudnews77
Well I dont know about Venus but it is still held in place by the force of the sun so in this engine the planet like objects will have to be magnetic of some sought

Why do they have to be magnetic?

If the sun's gravity can hold non-magnetic objects like Venus in orbit it can hold other non-magnetic objects in place too, right? The attraction to the sun isn't magnetic, it's gravitational, even when a planet (like Earth) does have a magnetic field.

reply to post by Arbitrageur

This PME can be built in space where a natural vacuum exists. The electricity generated can then be sent to Earth

reply to post by shroudnews77


If energy is drawn from the system that's in motion in a virtually frictionless environment like orbiting in space, the energy available is precisely as much as was put into the system to get it in motion in the first place IE there's absolutely nothing to be gained. And the energy used to actually get it up there in the first place is not recovered until it falls back down making this a very pointless exercise.