Annonymous attacking my rights as a gamer.

sony is the worst. you shouldn't be wasting your time playing video games anyhow. Go outside once in while.

reply to post by Larry L


Your wrong. Sony has no right to do what they are doing. I bought my PC. Are you telling me I cant take it apart and make it so I can do what ever I want to it?

Its a Dell, does Dell have the right to sue me if I do?

If you think so then you have no common sense.

What I buy is mine, I can turn it into what ever I want period.

Just because Sonys main web site went down due to the Anon attack you blame them when its just more Sony Collective punishment causing YOU not to be able to play your silly game. ITS JUST A GAME., ANON is fighting for you!!

Originally posted by gougitousakusha
reply to post by kylioneXsushi

 

wii graphics are a joke stuck at 480p, my 2 ati HD 6950s would eat 2 xboxes and 4 PS3s alive. the best controller ever made is definitely keyboard and mouse. and console HDD size you say is getting big, but i have 4.5 TB in my gaming rig(xbox being limited to 320GB), with a 260GB SSD for games. consoles are not computers, just dumbed down versions made to red ring of death after a year so you have to buy another instead of replacing a single part like pc gamers would.

i went through original 2 xboxes and 1 xbox 360 and i wont touch my wii. however with my PC im able to learn other languages, keep up with the news, and brag about gaming at 120+fps at max settings.

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Good job, you completely missed the point of what he said. He didn't comment about what the Wii has under the hood. He mentioned the internet browser available for the Wii. Although, it's not an entirely new thing to consoles. There were homebrew browsers available for the XBox back to at least 2004. He made no mention about controls for any of them. Sure, you've got 4.5 TB in your desktop. Good for you. Do you know how big of a jump they made from Xbox hard drive sizes to 360? They went from 8 GB (10 if you we're lucky) to 320 GB. Next generation? I wouldn't be surprised to see a 2 TB drive standard along with a move to mostly digital distribution. When it gets right down to the hardware, a console is most definitely a computer. An old, outdated computer but still a computer nonetheless. It's only the software that separates them. Take care of it properly, and it'll last you just as long.

It sounds like you were only looking for a chance to indirectly brag about your desktop, and that's coming from somebody who's 99% a PC gamer.

your right, i should have included that consoles wont be like PCs as long as you cant run homebrew or any other none sony licensed software though it, however i dont like stealing other members points when i know its already been made. and yeah it is bragging


sony is the one attacking your rights, you should be able to open a system you bought and add bells and turbo boosters and even linux. its the guys downloading ps3 iso's without owning a copy of the game that should be the only ones in trouble



consoles are more like calculators then PCs, in they can only do the set functions they where designed to do, while PCs are open to much more programming without those set limitations.

Originally posted by mrGonz
While I agree with most of the posts here, I must admit GeoHot did breach copyright laws knowing damn well what could happen if sony decided to go after him.
Just like anyone else breaking the law and getting caught, he must now face the music.

With that being said I'll also say, the world would be much less fun if it weren't for hackers unlocking the full potential of our gadgets.

He did not break copyright laws. All he broke was his insurance with sony to fix his PS3 hardware software issues. Since he instead of a company repair representative tinkered with the hardware and OS. Same thing as installing linux on a microsoft computer. Which is all he did was crack it so a linux os. Linux os is not controlled by sony and doesnt have sony's security drm stuff. If sony is having a big deal with the hardware, maybe they should add something to their games that reads what OS the system is running on. This can be hidden throughout various sections of the game's data so even if the game is copied, it'll still scan for the legal sony OS and if the ps3 was hacked to run linux, the game wouldn't play. There I solved their problem and lifted liability from geohot.

This is pretty much the same as me repairing my own PSP. for some reason the memory card got stuck and something got in the screen. So I cracked it open and fixed it. Same rights broken as geohot did. Geohot did not create software to copy ps3 disks, he did not add any reference to playing pirated games with his instructions. All he did was allow for the deletion of sony's os to run a linux os.

Originally posted by gougitousakusha
your right, i should have included that consoles wont be like PCs as long as you cant run homebrew or any other none sony licensed software though it, however i dont like stealing other members points when i know its already been made. and yeah it is bragging

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sony is the one attacking your rights, you should be able to open a system you bought and add bells and turbo boosters and even linux. its the guys downloading ps3 iso's without owning a copy of the game that should be the only ones in trouble

edit on 5-4-2011 by gougitousakusha because: (no reason given)

consoles are more like calculators then PCs, in they can only do the set functions they where designed to do, while PCs are open to much more programming without those set limitations.

edit on 5-4-2011 by gougitousakusha because: (no reason given)

You don't actually know that much about console hardware do you? As I stated before, the hardware is very similar to normal PC hardware. The only real difference is the OS they're running on. Closer to a calculator? Hah, good one. The software is what imposes those set limitations. Are you aware that Sony allowed Linux to be installed on a PS3 until they took away that ability in a later patch?

Kind of getting off-topic here though. Sony can fight this all they want, people will find another way through. They always do. I can't count the number of times there were "unhackable" updates to the PSP, yet that hardly slowed the custom firmware devs down. Always another crack, another exploit. Same with the first XBox. Hell, that thing was almost as easy for me to softmod as both my PSPs. Only took me about 5 mins with my desktop to do it. I haven't kept track of console modding recently, but that will never change. Homebrew cannot be stopped.

Just stopped back by to point out that the person who posted in this thread claiming to be from Annonymous was absolutely lying or went back on their word about not attacking PSN. The chat logs from the hive attacking Sony have been posted all over video game website and forums. I've read them and they CLEARLY are coordinating attacks on PSN and the PlayStation Store, which is basically directly attacking/affecting gamers.

Now obviously one member of Annonymous can't speak for the whole collective. But the fact is, he or she DID speak here on Anon's behalf, and his or her word on only attacking Sony and not PlayStation gamers is absolutely no good. So thanks Annonymous, for directly declaring unjust war on consumer right. Bad form. Bad form indeed.

reply to post by Larry L


can you give me links to those logs that is saying that we want to attack the PSN?

surely you will find lots of retards in that IRC channel who does nothing but spam ATTACK PSN! that's all they do but that doesn't mean we _all_ want to attack PSN

also the IRC channel where they got the logs is not the HIVE its simply an IRC channel where anons chat also you cannot enter the hive unless you are invited inside and even if you made it inside you still wont be able to do anything and there's only idlers there so i'm guessing they won't even get a chat log from the #hive

also that's what MEDIA does, they sensationalize those retards words and take is as _OUR_ word

I could actually provide a great many links, but just to cut it down to a single one, here's a link to an interview with an Anon member with PlayStationLifestyle. This particular gaming journalist was actively sought out by Anon for the interview and invited to partake in a chat/interview. An interview in which PlayStation consumers are considered "collateral damage"

playstationlifestyle.net...

That's page 2 which has the relevant quotes, but you can go back to page 1 to read the details on how the journalist was tracked down and invited for the interview.

Edit- Oh and here's a link with just a few highlights from some IRC chats coordinating attacks on PSN and the PSN Store. The way the chat logs were recorded was PlayStation gamers getting in under the guise of wanting to help the collective. Full chat logs are availible.

gamercrypt.com...

reply to post by Larry L


mmmkkkkkkkk

this reporter is obviously watching us because the articles on playstationlifestyle.com are being updated fast and they are getting some fresh quotes from some other retard chatting in that #sonyrecon IRC
i know who Takai is and i remember yesterday that we are prodding this reporter who is obviously on our IRC logging our chats. and some other ppl decided to get his contact infos to get some things "straight", well that's how that article came out

what Takai said might be right or might not be. I still have no idea what caused the PSN to be down since the target of the hive is the STORE and not the Playstation Network itself also according to Sony's official Twitter "PSN currently undergoing sporadic maintenance. Access to the PSN may be interrupted throughout the day. We apologize for any inconvenience." i don't know if this is true or not and i'm not really sure on what's happening over at #opsony since there's too much n00bs chatting and it makes my head hurt over the faggotry that's happening in there
.................
about the gamecrypt website i can remember most of those chat logs as I was actively chatting over #opsony at that time and I can see one line from me
and i can say that those logs are no big thing that's how most conversations go over at #opsony today

Igor as you can see has been quoted is a bot
and the other one Wolfy is gay

EDIT: and oh GamerCrypt says that LOIC can be used on Tor
that is impossible and it is a big no no for all of us
EDITTTTT: another good thing to add is the one of the users allegedly protesting against us and gets kicked "LiNKERS" as his name suggests gives us links on important info and he was just quoting a review for Prolexic = the company Sony hired
and he got kicked by a bot AIBO, AIBO is short tempered and he kicks people who spams big lines in under 5 seconds

reply to post by MarkofCain


That gaming journalist isn't the only one watching your chat rooms. They ALL are. Gaming news isn't like years ago when we only got our info from monthly rags that have 2 month old info. Gaming news is now a real time business just like any other news. We have up to th minute info. And at this moment, Anon's crusade against Sony is THE biggest story in the gaming community. All the journalists are putting out stories on this.

ANd Takai actively sought out this journalist for this interview though. He used Anon's resources to track him down, and get to him an invite for this interview. Although you already know this since it's all documented on the first page of that article.

You just admitted that you're attacking the PS Store, but said you're not attacking PSN. They're basically one in the same. You can't attack one without attacking the other. When you bring down the store, you're bringing down PSN. WHich is why every time you guys launched an attack on the store successfully, PSN went down, and is currently down right now again. Which is what Sony is reffering to in that tweet. Sony can't really say "Hey PS consumers, the reason PSN keeps going down is due to a hacker community declaring war on our network.". It would cause complete panic in the community, especially amongst those who don't keep track of gaming news.

And in some cases, they should be paniced (sp). Millions of people have money in their PlaySTation wallets put there with PSN cards, not everyone uses credit cards online. And when the Store/network goes down, these people not only lose access to their content and the ability to purchase new content, but they also lose access to the money in their wallet. This is major reason to worry for people, especially if they knew WHY PSN and the store is going down.

But you saying you're not attacking the consumer because you're just attacking the store, is like an oxymoron. Because bringing down the store is first and foremost an attack on the consumer because we not only not only need the store to play online (since it's directly tied to PSN), but we also need it to access and purchase games and other content. Who the attack affects 2ndly is developers and publishers (also who you're not going after), and only later does it really affect Sony, just because they have to work to get the network back up. The point is, who you're hurting most with these attacks is the consumer and their consumer rights, which is directly opposed to what Annonymous supposedly stands for. Please......cease and desist. If you guys really stood for people's rights, which I believe you do, you have to stop this attack, because those people's rights and freedoms are what you're hurting more than anything else.

Sorry for the long winded post, but the fact is I believe in Annonymous and their cause, but what they're doing agaist Sony here is just wrong right down to the base reason of why you're doing it, up to the fact that you're hurting consumers more than anything. George Hotz is filth, and Anon knew that a long time ago. Neither freedom of speech or internet freedoms protect what he did with PS3, which was only to enable piracy, and he only did it in the first place because he tried blackmailing Sony for a job, and if they didn't hire him, he said he'd release their proprietary source code. Which he then did do. This is all documented.

Keep in mind, a court of law found George Hotz innocent in the Apple jailbreaking case, and the same court found him liable in this case against Sony. Because it's two completely different animals. One was open source code, which anyone who buys the product should have a right to play with, the other is proprietary source code, which you don't have a right to play with. Call off this attack. It's both fundamentally and morally wrong. I mean hell.....were I a member of Annonymous, I'd be calling for us to actually help Sony ge t their hands on GeoHotz (who is now on the run in South AMerica somewhere, lol, though he may have come back by now, not sure), because he was the one who's infringing upon Sony''s rights to their proprietary source code.

Wow....a long winded post got even longer......jeez.

Originally posted by Larry L
reply to post by MarkofCain

 

ANd Takai actively sought out this journalist for this interview though. He used Anon's resources to track him down, and get to him an invite for this interview. Although you already know this since it's all documented on the first page of that article.

no Takai did not do it, some other people voluntarily searched for this reporter's contact info

They're basically one in the same. You can't attack one without attacking the other.

false PSN and playstation store sit in two different servers, anyone with half a brain can differentiate those

Millions of people have money in their PlaySTation wallets put there with PSN cards, not everyone uses credit cards online. And when the Store/network goes down, these people not only lose access to their content and the ability to purchase new content, but they also lose access to the money in their wallet. This is major reason to worry for people, especially if they knew WHY PSN and the store is going down.

NOTE playstation store is not a BANK and I don't know why you would put all your money there unless you're an idiot

But you saying you're not attacking the consumer because you're just attacking the store, is like an oxymoron. Because bringing down the store is first and foremost an attack on the consumer because we not only not only need the store to play online (since it's directly tied to PSN), but we also need it to access and purchase games and other content.

lol wut? who do you think loses money when you ps3tards can't buy games? who? *whispers SONY*

look at this Sony's stocks

and he only did it in the first place because he tried blackmailing Sony for a job, and if they didn't hire him, he said he'd release their proprietary source code. Which he then did do. This is all documented.

gimme links to support this??????????????


we won't stop just because you say so, we won't stop just because some kids can't play their games for a while, we won't stop until something happens

ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWWA!

Has anybody stopped to consider that perhaps Sony could be messing with PSN themselves to try to get the gamers on their side? Just a thought.

Besides, I don't get why anybody would be up in arms because of PSN being down. It's a privilege, not a right. Downtime happens.

Originally posted by MarkofCain

Originally posted by Larry L
reply to post by MarkofCain

 

ANd Takai actively sought out this journalist for this interview though. He used Anon's resources to track him down, and get to him an invite for this interview. Although you already know this since it's all documented on the first page of that article.

no Takai did not do it, some other people voluntarily searched for this reporter's contact info

--Actually Takai asked other Anons to search out the journalist's info. That's in the story I linked you to.

They're basically one in the same. You can't attack one without attacking the other.

false PSN and playstation store sit in two different servers, anyone with half a brain can differentiate those

--Yes, they're on seperate servers, but those servers are tied together as a network. You can't think it's just coincidence that every time Anon brought down the store (like right now), the PlayStation Network went down (and still is) at the same exact time, right? It's beyond coincidence.

Millions of people have money in their PlaySTation wallets put there with PSN cards, not everyone uses credit cards online. And when the Store/network goes down, these people not only lose access to their content and the ability to purchase new content, but they also lose access to the money in their wallet. This is major reason to worry for people, especially if they knew WHY PSN and the store is going down.

NOTE playstation store is not a BANK and I don't know why you would put all your money there unless you're an idiot

--I didn't say it's a bank, and people don't put "all" their money in there. People who don't like to use credit cards online buy PSN cards at stores in 10 20 or 50 dollar denoms. And put them in their PSN wallets to use to buy games or downloadable content for games when something they want releases. They aren't idiots....that's what online gamers do.

But you saying you're not attacking the consumer because you're just attacking the store, is like an oxymoron. Because bringing down the store is first and foremost an attack on the consumer because we not only not only need the store to play online (since it's directly tied to PSN), but we also need it to access and purchase games and other content.

lol wut? who do you think loses money when you ps3tards can't buy games? who? *whispers SONY*

--Sony doesn't lose money, they just don't get MORE from new sales. But who's affected more from the PSN Store and PSN itself going down? *whispers The People*

And "PS3tards"? Are you serious? What's the real agenda here? Because that term is something I only hear 360 fanboys with pointless hate towards any PS3 gamer say on gaming forums. Not by a collective of people coming together with the agenda of protecting people's rights.

look at this Sony's stocks

and he only did it in the first place because he tried blackmailing Sony for a job, and if they didn't hire him, he said he'd release their proprietary source code. Which he then did do. This is all documented.

gimme links to support this??????????????

--Links? Not that I can't provide a link to prove this (George even publicly talked about it in one of his videos), but this is well documented common knowledge to people following the Sony v George Hotz case. It's even part of the evidence in the case that got the courts to side with Sony (the same court that found in favor of GeoHotz against Apple). I find it hard to believe Anonymous would blindly back someone like GeoHotz whom they've had their own problems with in the past, without knowing the details of what's been going on in the case.

we won't stop just because you say so, we won't stop just because some kids can't play their games for a while, we won't stop until something happens

--I didn't say so. My say so has no affect on the collective. I'm asking, and reasoning, and providing facts to help inform the collective.....because many of the facts of the case render Anon's attacks here completely unjust.

And don't say "kids", because the majority of PS3's community is mature adults. I have over 50 people on my friends list, and all but a handfull are over 25 and most closer to my own age and older. We have families, jobs, and some of us come to sites like AboveTopSecret in attempts to stay enlightened. It's hardly just "some kids" you're hurting in your attacks. Collateral Damage indeed.

ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWWA!

--Indeed......FIGHT THE POWER!!!!.....not the people.

reply to post by Larry L


Yes, fight the power!

Just as long as it doesn't interrupt people's gaming! /endsarcasm

Originally posted by warbird03
Has anybody stopped to consider that perhaps Sony could be messing with PSN themselves to try to get the gamers on their side? Just a thought.

Besides, I don't get why anybody would be up in arms because of PSN being down. It's a privilege, not a right. Downtime happens.

was thinking this is possible too, like a teacher keeping an entier class after school cause she dosnt know who broke the rules. try and get all PSN users to hate anon even though sony is the ones denying service.

BTW are your online games still down? id be getting mad after 2 days

reply to post by gougitousakusha


They have no reason to get mad about PSN being down, it's a free service. It is not a right.

Originally posted by warbird03
reply to post by Larry L

 

Yes, fight the power!

Just as long as it doesn't interrupt people's gaming! /endsarcasm

Ok.....so.....let us just say that in the attempts to "fight the power", a militant group decided to bring down TPTB's financial infrastucture. The plan they come up with is to set off a 10MT nuke off on Wall Street. This plan is not only going to bring down that financial infrastructure, but incinerate about a million innocent people, and nuclear Fallout will probably kill another 20 million on the eastern seaboard. You'd support this just to make a point, or "fight the power"?

Sure, this is an extreme analogy, but it's an accurate one. There are hundreds of millions of gamers in the world. Currently about 45 million of them play PS3. Just to make a point, and defend George Hotz, who illegally publicly released Sony's proprietary source code, which has nothing to do with free speech or internet freedoms, Annonymous is taking away those millions of gamer's rights to play their games online. How is that right in any way?

Originally posted by gougitousakusha

Originally posted by warbird03
Has anybody stopped to consider that perhaps Sony could be messing with PSN themselves to try to get the gamers on their side? Just a thought.

Besides, I don't get why anybody would be up in arms because of PSN being down. It's a privilege, not a right. Downtime happens.

was thinking this is possible too, like a teacher keeping an entier class after school cause she dosnt know who broke the rules. try and get all PSN users to hate anon even though sony is the ones denying service.

BTW are your online games still down? id be getting mad after 2 days

It's on and off. Whenever Anon brings down the PSN Store, PSN goes down with it. Sony's gotten it back up a few times, but the attack this evening has had PSN down for about 5 hours so far and it hasn't been back up. Last time I checked to see if PSN was still down was about an hour ago. So I don't know if it's back up yet.

All I know is, my day at work sucked and I wanted to come home and relieve some stress by playing Gran Turismo 5 online with my other adult friends, and I wasn't able to do so.

Originally posted by Larry L
--Actually Takai asked other Anons to search out the journalist's info. That's in the story I linked you to.

dude... i was there when this happened (first hand account)
i'm not media or anything so i don't twist these things to fit my agenda

--Yes, they're on seperate servers, but those servers are tied together as a network. You can't think it's just coincidence that every time Anon brought down the store (like right now), the PlayStation Network went down (and still is) at the same exact time, right? It's beyond coincidence.

uhmmmm really? can you support this claim of yours? or are you just speculating about this because you cannot play?

--I didn't say it's a bank, and people don't put "all" their money in there. People who don't like to use credit cards online buy PSN cards at stores in 10 20 or 50 dollar denoms. And put them in their PSN wallets to use to buy games or downloadable content for games when something they want releases. They aren't idiots....that's what online gamers do.

derppppp
then don't use that to support your claims...(why? because this is not just about you gamers)

--Sony doesn't lose money, they just don't get MORE from new sales. But who's affected more from the PSN Store and PSN itself going down? *whispers The People*

what? they just dont get MOAR? isn't that the same thing as losing money?

And "PS3tards"? Are you serious? What's the real agenda here? Because that term is something I only hear 360 fanboys with pointless hate towards any PS3 gamer say on gaming forums. Not by a collective of people coming together with the agenda of protecting people's rights.

yes I'm srs cuz internetz is srs bizznizz

--Links? Not that I can't provide a link to prove this (George even publicly talked about it in one of his videos), but this is well documented common knowledge to people following the Sony v George Hotz case. It's even part of the evidence in the case that got the courts to side with Sony (the same court that found in favor of GeoHotz against Apple). I find it hard to believe Anonymous would blindly back someone like GeoHotz whom they've had their own problems with in the past, without knowing the details of what's been going on in the case.

uhm i asked a link so i can confirm you're stance in this

Because if you're referring to the one below, then you're wayyyyyy too misinformed about this

The whole quote posted on his web site read: "If you want your next console to be secure, contact me, any of you."

With part of the quote omitted, Sony made it look like Hotz was seeking something from them in exchange for his expertise.

"The double-hearsay quote, derived from a screenshot within a forum post within a website... omits the full statement, which undermines SCEA's claim that Mr. Hotz directed any statement toward SCEA," Kellar wrote.

--I didn't say so. My say so has no affect on the collective. I'm asking, and reasoning, and providing facts to help inform the collective.....because many of the facts of the case render Anon's attacks here completely unjust.

ok i understand that but we have already stopped attacking PSN, read below
READ ME!

And don't say "kids", because the majority of PS3's community is mature adults. I have over 50 people on my friends list, and all but a handfull are over 25 and most closer to my own age and older. We have families, jobs, and some of us come to sites like AboveTopSecret in attempts to stay enlightened. It's hardly just "some kids" you're hurting in your attacks. Collateral Damage indeed.

well i'm sorry if you are offended by the term "kid" I was pointing that to the kids who troll us on IRC

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