What are the odds that ETs look humanoid? Could be better than you may think.

One popular argument from skeptics to "debunk" Greys is "What are the odds that ETs would look humanoid?" Then they often talk about supposed calculations that would make those odds nearly impossible. But in reality there is no way of knowing the odds. Calculating the odds of such an occurrence is total guesswork at best and total bunk at worst. Such a thing cannot be calculated with any accuracy at all because of many possible scenarios. For example, suppose humans evolved from bacteria on a meteorite that struck the earth 4 billion years ago. Who's to say that much previous to that, meteorites with the same (or similar bacteria) didn't strike other planets and evolution occurred there as well; therefore giving those other planets a head start in the evolutionary process?

Now let's suppose that ETs are not from other planets at all, but are instead from other dimensions, and bipedal humanoid creatures are just the way intelligent life forms no matter what. Or maybe ETs are not really ETs at all and are simply time traveling humans that have evolved to a post-human form (which looks like Greys).

So in reality, we have no idea what ETs from other planets or dimensions would look like. And we don't know what time travelers from the distant future would look like. What we do know is that there are a huge number of reports over many years that point to ETs looking like Greys.

Any opinions on this topic?

I have no problem with them invading us if their whole population looks like Brazilian supermodels , take me to your leader!

The only way we would find out is if the Roswell files are ever released ... yeah sure lol.
But yeah unless they rock up and high five obama at his next press conference you arent really gonna find out.

Necessity drives evolution. Humans would not have achieved all that they have without many of the physical and sociological attributes we have today. Bipedal so at least two extremities can be used for fighting and manipulating objects, opposable thumbs for fine control/delicate work, at least two limbs for locomotion/flight from predators, eyes in the front of our heads (predator), big brain, cooperative nature... etc etc etc.

An alien is also more likely to be a surface dwelling creature. If, for instance, it lived under the ocean, it would not have evolved with said attributes (above) and would be more likely to have fins and so forth, making it extremely difficult to achieve any type of technology.

IRM

Universe is infinite, correct? There are lots lots lots lots (aka - infinite) of different environments. If intelligent life is wide spread through the universe then it is developed in those different environments. For example - humanoid will not fare very well in depth of the ocean. No apes there as far as i know. So something similar to us on planet covered with ocean will definetely not be gray. Well, it might be gray but only in color.
Then take planet with much higher gravity then on Earth - upstanding humanoid is not optimal form me thinks.
Planet with much lower gravity - the same.
Different atmosphere content will also play a role. Life form does not have to be carbon based. And ctr and ctr and ctr.
So you want to tell me that all alien encounters reported are only with humanoids in nature and it is true? On this very planet there are very very few humanoid life forms.

I bet there are aliens of all shapes and sizes based on the gravity and other traits of thier home planet.

However Aliens interested in this planet probably would be alot like us. Especially if they were hostile with intent of taking over.

i have always had a feeling that aliens were actually time travelling humans who are manipulating things now in outr time to change how things are in their time...

I watched a show on the Discovery Channel called Alien Planet. It was probably one of my favorites on what alien life might be like. Here is a clip.

www.youtube.com...

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I think because of panspermia they would likely resemble something recogniseable. Depending on how old their planet is and what extinction events guided their evolution. On that note I think intelligent mammals may be unique to earth. I suspect they would be reptilian based on this if their planet is younger. If it is older and has a more violent past they could be more like insects, or even aquatic like octipae if from a water world. Taller if weaker gravity, shorter if stronger gravity... Or bigger and smaller if not humanoid.
I think panspermia content may vary and the further from us the more unrecogniseable the alien would be.
Humanoid would be ideal. The thought of insectoid or octipoid aliens is frightening.

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Not only are there huge numbers of reports about "greys," there are many about other humanoid forms as well.

We will never be sure of things like this until events occur that normally result in humans becoming more certain.

They could come down and introduce themselves in a friendly manner. We could remember them from our own distant pasts and learn to trust such memories as well as we do memories from this life. We could develop spiritual abilities that would allow us to visit them without our bodies. We could develop technologies that would allow us to visit them with our bodies and return with physical evidence.

As far as the "debunkers" arguments go, I don't ever consider them to be worth much.

It could be just as possible, as I have been taught, that the humanoid body form has evolved over millions of years on many different planets in the universe, and is based on an essentially artificial pattern, not one created by "natural" evolutionary forces. If you disregard the "probability" of the prior cause scenario itself, the probability that humanoid life forms were created by some intelligent process is I am sure much higher than any hypothesis based on an "unconscious" cause.

Originally posted by l_e_cox
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It could be just as possible, as I have been taught, that the humanoid body form has evolved over millions of years on many different planets in the universe, and is based on an essentially artificial pattern, not one created by "natural" evolutionary forces. If you disregard the "probability" of the prior cause scenario itself, the probability that humanoid life forms were created by some intelligent process is I am sure much higher than any hypothesis based on an "unconscious" cause.

I hope you are not saying that evolution didn't occur on earth and that humans were just created one day. Evolution is scientific fact and there is no way of getting away from it. However, that's not to say that life on other planets wasn't artificially created by other ET civilizations. However, there is just no way of knowing.

Another way to see it; Human Species is in actuality just a engineered version of Ancient Extraterrestrials that made Man in "Their Image". Hence, it is not a question about Humanoid Extraterrestrials, but about the Human Species looking like Humanoid Extraterrestrials- Their ancestors.

Just a 'Theory', ofcourse.

Humanoids? If they were here before the human race, that would mean we would look like them. If we looked like some race in our galaxy, that would mean we are Martians.Let's assume we are like an advance race. Would that mean our facial features would resemble them?Why would they need to talk if they had telepaphic abilities? What about our arms and feet? Why would they need arms if they had kinetic powers. the ability to make things move. Would they need legs if they had the ability to levitate and move about?If we looked like them, how could we communicate if they don't speak?

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My opinion on this topic is that since dolphins are reputed to be highly intelligent, and lacking only the opposable thumb in terms of tools to express this intellect, that any assumption about species from other worlds or dimensions with regards to thier physical appearance is at best flawed, and at worst a deliberate attempt to confuse the issue.
I believe speculation on this subject is absolutely moot and pointless except as an excersize of imagination, at least until such time as a non terran species makes contact, and is examined by non intrusive means to discover the topography of thier anatomy .

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True, and according to the Dogon-People, the Intergalactic "gods" were Amphibian and looked like Merfolk.

Originally posted by Viper2
One popular argument from skeptics to "debunk" Greys is "What are the odds that ETs would look humanoid?" Then they often talk about supposed calculations that would make those odds nearly impossible. But in reality there is no way of knowing the odds. Calculating the odds of such an occurrence is total guesswork at best and total bunk at worst. Such a thing cannot be calculated with any accuracy at all because of many possible scenarios. For example, suppose humans evolved from bacteria on a meteorite that struck the earth 4 billion years ago. Who's to say that much previous to that, meteorites with the same (or similar bacteria) didn't strike other planets and evolution occurred there as well; therefore giving those other planets a head start in the evolutionary process?

Now let's suppose that ETs are not from other planets at all, but are instead from other dimensions, and bipedal humanoid creatures are just the way intelligent life forms no matter what. Or maybe ETs are not really ETs at all and are simply time traveling humans that have evolved to a post-human form (which looks like Greys).

So in reality, we have no idea what ETs from other planets or dimensions would look like. And we don't know what time travelers from the distant future would look like. What we do know is that there are a huge number of reports over many years that point to ETs looking like Greys.

Any opinions on this topic?

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I hate when those idiots say stuff like that.

Bipedalism is the most efficient way of traveling. You're not going to see civilizations built by beings walking on four legs. And without hands you can't write or do anything, so there won't be any civilizations built by giant slugs.

Greys do not look like us. Apparently people think since they're bipedal and have a face with two eyes that means they're humanoid. Ridiculous.

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An essay by Michael Swords changed my outlook on the probabilities of alien life-forms being humanoid. It should be one of those files, papers, articles that are required reading for anyone interested in the UFO Enigma and the speculations surrounding it.

Over the years, there have been many reports that describe humanoid beings. They tend to describe humanoids of varying shapes and sizes…some hairy, some in suits, yet most are typically two-armed, two-legged and a head on top. Basically, they would cast the same shadow as us.

To some, these claims of human-shaped beings are evidence that they are made-up or hoaxed. After all, isn’t this planet bursting at the seams with all manner of different critters? We’ve got bugs, starfish, dolphins and horses. Shouldn’t ET life also share this diversity? On top of that, evolution is all about the success of mutations and could never be repeated. The theory goes that if life was to begin all over again on Earth, we wouldn’t be here. It makes sense…

What Swords has done is to look at the physical requirements that created an intelligent life-form that was able to be instrumental on its environment….like us. He isn’t making the claim that every account is true and that we are definitely being visited by ‘beings from elsewhere.’ It sounds complicated and it is. On the other hand, we can break his ideas down into something easier to contemplate.

Let’s start with the basic means of becoming a technological life-form that has the means to create and manipulate the tools that could lead to space technology…use of fire!

Before anything gets to the level of building machines, it must learn how to use fire. To use fire, it needs an atmosphere that can sustain fire.

“It is in the breakage, manipulation, and recombination of materials that one achieves metallurgy, much of chemistry, glass technology, polymers, et al. Without fire leading to metals technology there is no controlled electricity, no electric age, and certainly no nuclear age. All technology on a fireless world would be the simple utilization of what nature gives one, an almost passive interaction. Fire is the gate to the possibility of "high technology", the only gate.

Could Extra Terrestrials Breathe Our Air? Michael Swords

I’ve read serious people asking why ‘ET Visitors’ aren’t like the octopus or dolphin? They’re intelligent yeah? Aquatic intelligence would have a pretty wet obstacle on their way to making fire. Without fire, they can’t build machinery or create an infrastructure of electrical wiring and components. They could be clever, but never leave their environment.

So…our intelligent life-forms would need to be land creatures. They’d need to breathe an atmosphere that sustains fire in order to get to the stage of factories and high tech. To manipulate the tools needed to create fire, they’d need at least two limbs with the ‘fingers & thumbs’ for holding. They’d probably become upright for the same reasons that we have…height provides a better field of view to see predators and prey. In the larger picture, they’d be predators, but not so high up the food chain that invention and ingenuity were not important. Instead, they’d be driven by the needs of survival to develop strategies that gave them the advantage over larger, stronger and ‘fitter’ animals.

This is only a post and I’m not about to turn it into a fully-sourced and referenced essay on why the humanoid shape isn’t unreasonable in alleged encounters…the linked essay says it all. Basically, if the descriptions of humanoids are accurate, for them to even be here *possibly* requires a similar structure and evolutionary history to us.