Strange Facts You (Probably) Never Knew About the Moon

reply to post by DontProbeMeBro


Being an Australian, I am aware that Aboriginal culture has been around for at least 40,000 years, perhaps up to 60,000. They have had "Dreamtime" stories about the moon for most of that time. The Australian Aboriginal is perhaps the only source for astronomical observations that date back to this time.

While that was interesting to read, where are they getting all that stuff from? I mean it's really easy to make stuff up to fit your agenda, right? I mean I think that page is trying to push forward an artificial moon argument.

The thing is, a lot of these things can't be proven, hell I could go ahead here and say (from the top of my head) ... In 1976 an amateur astronomer who goes by the name Dimitri Petrovic observed a blueish flash from the moon when observing it on the night of March 17th.


Fairly simple, and it seems some people would just read that and accept it, assuming it was fact.

At any rate, it was a fun read, it's fun to speculate, etc.

Cheers.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Wolfenz

USA already went to Mars : Astronaut Gene Cernan

Sorry, but that is just silly.....quite a stretch. It's obvious that he was thinking "Mars", as they were talking about Aldrin....because Aldrin has made no secret that he thinks MARS should be the focus. Of COURSE it was just a mind-slip.....no way can you infer he meant it, in the way that person on UTube thinks!

Are you sure about that ? He didn't correct himself the 2nd time either Well he gotta be Senial the OLD Bird

Aldrin made no Secret about alot of things Have you read the article in my previos post about Buzz Dreams of MARS I doubt you have Aldrin Mostly Talks about haveing a Base there and Mining the minerals and metals there!! and using as Our Moon as a Base Launch pad and a Dumping station! from Mars! There is almost Zillch about Going to mars for the First time ! its about having a Permanent Base there


Here Now Read it !

Buzz Aldrin Dreams of Mars
buzzaldrin.com...

Apply some logic to it!! Cernan is, in the interview, disappointed in the news that Obama meant to cancel the NASA return to the Moon program.

What!! Disappointed !! you mean Pissed! Apply logic He may of well spilled I mean dropped a couple of beans.. because of being ( Pissed)

IF, as claimed, he has some "secret" knowledge of some fantasy Mars missions......then, WHY would he care about the Constellation Project?? He would be more inclined (in this imaginary scenario) to JOIN Aldrin, and be advocating for a "direct to Mars" effort.

Fantasy Mars Mission ! LOL yeah The possibility

Here Type away what NASA and its Corporation Buddies have Planned ,Experimented ,Tested that is confirmed ready For Mars

Type like Mars Mission Mars Base Mars Habitat Mars living (Getting the Picture) Mars Mining !!
to the Site Below there PDF's ENJOY ..
Information Bridge search engine
www.osti.gov...

Of course....Aldrin is a bit pie-in-the-sky, it seems. Jumping the gun. Makes better sense to have some foothold with a base, and experience long-term, on the Moon, before attempting manned missions to Mars. There is also the matter of the Earth's gravity well to escape...compared to the much shallower Moon's.

See the Information bridge Search Engine Above Blast Away on those Keyboards

The real truth about the Moon is far, far less "exciting" to so many of you, I suppose....so, to compensate, it's just much more fun to "believe" in these fantasies, no matter how ridiculous?

This thread is solid proof of that.....the title has the word "facts" in it.....sadly, that is false advertising.....

Nothing is Fact until its confirmed to be Proven ! I Agree Wacky!

Mission maps for use in the choice of specific impulse for manned Mars missions

The choice of engine concept for the initial manned missions to Mars should be driven by what can be feasibly built and flight qualified in the near term, and by the level of engine performance that is required for these missions. This paper addresses how mission requirements affect the choice of specific impulse, and consequently what values of the specific impulse best serve these missions. Broad mission surveys and sensitivity studies were performed to determine the specific impulse values that allow for fast transfer times and wide launch windows. We find that a specific impulse of around 1000 to 1200 sec is sufficient. Choosing an engine concept that has a higher specific impulse value is not justified for these missions because the modest reduction in propellant requirements and further widening of the launch windows does not compensate for the substantially greater technical risk. 3 refs., 8 figs.

www.osti.gov...

WET MARS: Plentiful, Readily-Available Martian Water and its Implications

Water and its major constituent, oxygen, in large specific quantities are essential for maintenance of human life. Providing them in adequate quantities is widely believed to be a major challenge for human exploration and settlement of Mars. The Martian regolith isn't known to bear either water or hydrogen, the ice-rich Martian polar regions are thermally inhospitable, and the measured water content of Mars' thin atmosphere represents a layer of liquid water of average thickness only [approx]1% that available on the Moon, or [approx]0.001 cm. Crucially, however, the atmospheric Martian water inventory is advected meteorologically to everyplace on Mars, so that the few cubic kilometers of liquid water-equivalent in the atmosphere are available anywhere when, merely for the effort of condensing it. Well-engineered apparatus deployed essentially anywhere on Mars can condense water from the atmosphere in daily quantities not much smaller than its own mass, rejecting into space from radiators deployed over the local terrain the water's heat-of-condensation and the heat from non-ideality of the equipment's operation. Thus, an optimized, photovoltaically-powered water-condensing system of [approx]0.3 tons mass could strip 40 tons of water each year from [approx] 10[sup 4] times this mass of thin, dry Martian air. Given a 490 set I[sup sp] of H[sub 2]-O[sub 2] propulsion systems exhausting into the 6 millibar Mars-surface atmosphere and the 5.0 km/s Martian gravity well, [approx]40 tons of water two-thirds converted into 5:1 O[sub 2]/H[sub 2] cryogenic fuel could support exploration and loft a crew-of-four and their 8-ton ascent vehicle into Earth-return trajectory. The remaining H[sub 2]O and excess O[sub 2] would suffice for half-open-cycle life support for a year's exploration-intensive stay on Mars. A Mars Expedition thus needs to land only explorers, dehydrated food, habitation gear and unfueled exploration/Earth-return equipment--and a water/oxygen/fuel plant exploiting Martian atmospheric water. All of the oxygen, water and propellants necessary for life-support, extensive exploration and Earth-return can be provided readily by the host planet. Crewed exploration of Mars launched from LEO with on1.V 2 Shuttle-loads of equipment and consumables--a commercial total cost-equivalent of [approx]$650 M--thereby becomes feasible. The most challenging current problem with respect to human expeditions to Mars is escape from Earth's deep, 11.2 km/s gravity well, and is largely an economic issue. Living on Mars, exploring it extensively and returning to Earth, each hitherto major technical issues, are actually much less difficult, thanks in no small part to the effective ''wetness'' of Mars. Similar considerations apply to other water-rich locations in the Solar system, e.g. Europa.

www.osti.gov...

Propulsion engineering study for small-scale Mars missions
www.osti.gov...

Mars base buildup scenarios

Title :: Mars base buildup scenarios

Creator/Author Blacic, J.D.
Publication Date 1985 Jan 01
OSTI Identifier OSTI ID: 5476506; Legacy ID: DE85014132
Report Number(s) LA-UR-85-1989; CONF-8506149-2
DOE Contract Number W-7405-ENG-36
Other Number(s) Other: ON: DE85014132
Resource Type Conference
Specific Type Technical Report
Resource Relation Conference: Manned mars mission workshop, Huntsville, AL, USA, 10 Jun 1985
Research Org Los Alamos National Lab., NM (USA)
Subject 71 CLASSICAL AND QUANTUM MECHANICS, GENERAL PHYSICS; MARS PLANET; EXPLORATION; COLONY FORMATION; FORECASTING; PROSPECTING; PLANETS
Description/Abstract Two surface base build-up scenarios are presented in order to help visualize the mission and to serve as a basis for trade studies. In the first scenario, direct manned landings on the Martian surface occur early in the missions and scientific investigation is the main driver and rationale. In the second scenario, early development of an infrastructure to exploite the volatile resources of the Martian moons for economic purposes is emphasized. Scientific exploration of the surface is delayed at first, but once begun develops rapidly aided by the presence of a permanently manned orbital station.
Country of Publication United States
Language English
Format Medium: ED; Size: Pages: 13
Availability NTIS, PC A02/MF A01.
System Entry Date 2009 Apr 02

Hows that for a Fantasy Mars Mission ! DID you see where the research was done ?

Resource Relation Conference: Manned mars mission workshop, Huntsville, AL, USA, 10 Jun 1985
Research Org Los Alamos National Lab., NM (USA)

was put on this Site 2009 Apr 02 23 years stretch Planning a Base On Phobos ! They Planned this since 1985!

reply to post by TheLieWeLive


I just have to stick my oar in here and point out that what you request is an impossibility... I very much beleive in the conspiracies and allegories on this site and others, but, to prove something doesn't existor is not the case is undoable... we can only prove positivley. no-one can prove the loch ness monster does NOT exist... no-one can prove that aliens DONT visit us.

Thanks for the info! I found the facts really cool. I love when someone shows me something in a way I never thought about it before.
I just wanted to say that I was paying close attention to your avatar, which I thought was really funny, then I looked up to your name and burst out laughing. Very amusing stuff.

Originally posted by backinblack
Anyone ever calculate the odds of the moon having a perfect axis and rotation speed to always have the same side facing earth??

I'd say I'd have more chance of winning lotto many times over...

Calculating the odds of anything in the universe is a bit pointless, it is so vast that the odds of everything perceivable has probably happened somewhere in the universe...

Is the moon our jailer (gaoler)?

we know the moon has been tugging on the oceans for over 3 billion years, tidal forces not only shape the sand on their way in and out but over time shape the rock from which the sand is carved.



Many creatures have evolved to use the tides, some of the oldest most, successful organisms owe their existence to the tides.

the idea that the moon 'appeared' in a mere blink of an eye is, abit.. well... mental.

a quick read of the Moon Wiki will reveal answers to almost all of the posed anomalies.

"15. Spaceship Moon: As outrageous as the Moon-Is-a-Spaceship Theory is, all of the above items are resolved if one assumes that the moon is a gigantic extraterrestrial craft, brought here eons ago by intelligent beings. This is the only theory that is supported by all of the data, and there are no data that contradict this theory."

Ummm, other than the fact that there's no evidence of this being the case? This guy sounds like someone who'd drop 500$ on late night infomercial products.

No Moon, no life on Earth, suggests theory ..Four billion years ago, when life began, the Moon orbited much closer to us than it does now, causing massive tides to ebb and flow every few hours. These tides caused dramatic fluctuations in salinity around coastlines which could have driven the evolution of early DNA-like biomolecules.

This hypothesis, which is the work of Richard Lathe, a molecular biologist at Pieta Research in Edinburgh, UK, also suggests that life could not have begun on Mars.

If the theory is right, life could not have evolved on Mars, says Lathe. Phobos, the larger of Mars's two Moons, is so small that the tidal forces it generates are just one per cent of those generated by our Moon. "Even if there was water on Mars, life could not have evolved there because these polymers could not have replicated," he says.

wow...thats cool...intelligent design might be true....



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Originally posted by Condemned0625
Woah. Could it be? This seems to confirm that the moon really IS an artificial creation. All of the strange lights, gases spewing out of the surface, water vapor, disk objects on the surface, etc. The water vapor is one of the most obvious. You won't find naturally occurring water vapor on the moon. It only lasted for a short period of time, which means that it must have come from an artificial source on the surface, probably one of the bases that can be seen in many photographs. If it really is hollow, that absolutely confirms it is an artificial construct. I've always found it strange that one side of the moon is always facing Earth while the other side is always hidden. There's never any variation in its rotation to allow the slightest peak at the other side. Natural moons do not do that. There are way too many strange things about the moon for it to be a natural object.

Uhm what? Many of the moons in our solar system only show one face to their host planet. Its called Tidal locking and is a well established fact of physics.

Tidal locking (or captured rotation) occurs when the gravitational gradient makes one side of an astronomical body always face another; for example, one side of the Earth's Moon always faces the Earth. A tidally locked body takes just as long to rotate around its own axis as it does to revolve around its partner. This synchronous rotation causes one hemisphere constantly to face the partner body. Usually, at any given time only the satellite is tidally locked around the larger body, but if the difference in mass between the two bodies and their physical separation is small, each may be tidally locked to the other, as is the case between Pluto and Charon. This effect is employed to stabilize some artificial satellites.

Locked to the Earth

* Moon

Locked to Mars

* Phobos
* Deimos

Locked to Jupiter

* Metis
* Adrastea
* Amalthea
* Thebe
* Io
* Europa
* Ganymede
* Callisto

Locked to Saturn

* Pan
* Atlas
* Prometheus
* Pandora
* Epimethius
* Janus
* Mimas
* Enceladus
* Telesto
* Tethys
* Calypso
* Dione
* Rhea
* Titan
* Iapetus

Locked to Uranus

* Miranda
* Ariel
* Umbriel
* Titania
* Oberon

Nothing extraordinary about tidal lock.

Some of the assertions from the provided link are interesting while others seem completely absurd.... Interesting read none the less. [/up]

reply to post by DontProbeMeBro


What an absolutely fantastic link. Every day is a school day! I would welcome more of this on ATS

Thanks for this OP

reply to post by constantwonder


Tidal locking is a fact, and is the mechanism which our ARTIFICIAL man made satellites employs to constantly face our earth as it performs its recordings.

Alone, Tidal Locking can neither confirm or deny our moon is artifical, more so when the other strange facts are presented alongside to come to a conclusion.

The website linked does make some interesting statements. Nodding in agreement with a few folks on here some appear to be guesses based upon pseudo beliefs and concepts. Without a doubt interesting - I did not know about the recorded bell like effect from releasing the module back to the moon. Nor the data regarding the water vapour.

Its a really fascinating read, although I think it should be approached more sceptical and without trying to fit it in theories that exist already
Most of the things can be debunked and are not really misteryes today, since there are theories that are trying to explane these penomena. But still, theories are not facts too!

btw I posted something, which was as far as i remember on page 7. but i cant find it, is there perhaps an option to search through this thread fast without going through every page?

thx )

This is a great article! I used to have a really old book which was written by two russian authors concerning this theme. A lot of the facts are similar and they give a fair amount of evidence. Being an open-minded Sci-Fi fan, I used to think, "hey this is great stuff, what if it were true". In my excitement I told people about this book and they all thought I´m mad. Now it seems the joke is on them. Indeed anything is possible!

Nice find! Is this all scientifically accepted? Because if so;

6. No Volcanoes: Some of the moon’s craters originated internally, yet there is no indication that the moon was ever hot enough to produce volcanic eruptions.

Could this be an indirect admission of the "growing earth" idea?

1. Moon’s Age:
2. Rock’s Origin:
3. Heavier Elements on Surface:
4. Water Vapor:
5. Magnetic Rocks:
6. No Volcanoes:
7. Moon Mascons
8. Seismic Activity:
9. Hollow Moon:
10. Moon Echoes:
11. Unusual Metals:
12. Moon’s Origin:
13. Weird Orbit:
14. Moon Diameter:
15. Spaceship Moon:

By themselves any one of these might be dismissed but when you see and add up all these anomalies there does seem to be something foreign and particularly stranger than normal about the moon.

My favorite from the link is this last one...

15. Spaceship Moon: As outrageous as the Moon-Is-a-Spaceship Theory is, all of the above items are resolved if one assumes that the moon is a gigantic extraterrestrial craft, brought here eons ago by intelligent beings. This is the only theory that is supported by all of the data, and there are no data that contradict this theory.

Originally posted by Illustronic
Wrong on number 2, the moon cannot be possibly older than the sun that created it.

After I read that I didn't read or hit links after that, this whole post is not based on fact.

As far as us not knowing what we want to from 6 moon landings goes, we don't have knowledge of half of our own earth's life forms, so you see, what you may expect is vast.

This is not a thought provoking post, just much of the same stuff that people around here get stars and flags for.

If you don't like what the world's astrophysics scientists tell you, do your own research yourself, or find another source that you think isn't taking NASA dollars out of your pocket, which is really the thrust of your post. You think NASA lies to you, but you aren't educated enough in the subjects you rant about to know the difference.

This sort of thing grinds my gears.

My question is, how can ANYONE be educated enough to discount and debunk anything that is stated about the moon? Not one of us have been there...

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by onelastprophet

 

BULL!!!!

The reason the moon rocks are magnetized is because they were retrieved from the North and South Pole.

Your "claim" is an insult to the many geologists, world over, who have examined the ACTUAL Lunar samples returned by the Apollo missions....FROM THE MOON!! NOT, as you laughably allege, from the Earth's Polar regions!! Gawd, how silly!!


Silly, too....as the many false and utterly unscientific, unsupportable "claims" from the source that formed this thread.

Ignorant are the original sources. Deny them, learn the real science.........

Who says our science knows anything? If any, our science show they know absolutely nothing. Get back to me when they can find a cure for the common cold...actually, have we cured anything?