US orchestrates regime change in Libya, using social media (video)

US orchestrates regime change in Libya, using social media (video)

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Editor's Note: It's a pity that the music is so loud that it's difficult to understand some parts of what's being said in this video. Nevertheless, it's well worth 6 minutes of time to watch it and the message is clear: There are no "Twitter or Facebook Revolutions" as they claimed in Egypt. There are only "Twitter Regime Changes." - LMB

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Pretty Strange, it looks like the news is being filtered for us. I don't use any of the social networking sites like youtube, im just not into signing up for services that would be used get an entire population monitoring each other and have them all happy to do so. I just see a LOT of fox news, CNN, MSNBC and every other mainstream media outlet here as "alternative" news. Just thought i would add something different.

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Porbably the best find of the day the video is amazing, thanks for sharing what is most likely the reality

reply to post by thegoods724


Thanks, it is amazing the things you will find when looking at alternative news instead of mainstream news with alternative slapped on it.

Sounds just like western techniques, discredit and destroy.

We see it everyday, with people opening their eyes, waking up, and leaving the flock. As soon as someone has a voice, they are publicly destroyed, thus discrediting anything they say. Charlie Sheen questions 911... a few months later he is attacked for living the same crazy lifestyle that brought him fame. Open your eyes people, don't believe what MSM wants you to believe, but learn from it. Learn from the people TPTB have destroyed. Gaddafi knew too much, MSM is trying to play this down, but they don't want him to be granted exile, they want him dead... and too many sheep are believing this media hype instead of asking what he knows or what he really did to piss off the PTB.

How would an army of sock-puppets (i.e., the fake online personas being created with software like that from HBGary) influence anything in countries like Egypt or Libya, which by the reports own admission, have about 5% of it's population online? Communication there is still rooted in the 1950s. The Mosque plays a far bigger role in shaping their opinions than the Web.

I see this type of social-media manipulation via the HBGary apps (and no doubt others are out there) as a means of manipulating Western nations - us, not them.

I think for the average Egyptian, Libyan, Syrian, etc., they are used to having only state-sponsored news, so have learned to deal with it. We westerners, however, are still too widely influenced by media, it's why the power elite have seized it to broadcast their propaganda messages (Fox "news" is a perfect example of that).

I don't buy the premise that social-media sites had this level of influence in the current unrest in the Middle East, or that sock-puppets wielded by western powers on these social-media sites pushed regime-change.

reply to post by Darkk


You know whats funny? Is that Mid Feb date that the video claims is when the huge influx of Twitter accounts from "Libya" occurred is about the time we got a bunch of new, very outspoken pro war in the Mid East members on ATS too. They are still making new accounts, but I started to notice the propaganda flood begin right around mid Feb.

Good find. I think the entire Libya uprising is a total fraud. Completely manufactured, down to the Tripoli "rape" victim.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


They arent having that much influence on the people of Libya. These media campaigns are meant more for us, and other nations they want to support their meddling there, not the Libyans. They would prefer to be able to instigate uprising, like Egypt, but in Libya, it didnt work. There simply were not enough people in the country who hated Gaddafi, and so they had to pretend he was doing horrific stuff so we could get in to stop him.

Not to mention Russian tattled on them when they lied and said Gaddafi was airstriking his people.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


It's not being used to influence said countries, it's used to convince the American sheep to support this cause. It's used to discredit Gaddafi, so we have an excuse to take him out. This means regime change... This means American chosen regime in ANOTHER oil country...

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Beat me to it, it's nice being on a forum that understands exactly what is happening.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by Darkk

 

You know whats funny? Is that Mid Feb date that the video claims is when the huge influx of Twitter accounts from "Libya" occurred is about the time we got a bunch of new, very outspoken pro war in the Mid East members on ATS too. They are still making new accounts, but I started to notice the propaganda flood begin right around mid Feb.

Good find. I think the entire Libya uprising is a total fraud. Completely manufactured, down to the Tripoli "rape" victim.

I noticed the very same thing.
star for you

online, you just don't know who is real
and who is a bot.

And let's also remember something else,

Obama and Hilary Clinton's call to Mubarek
to turn the internet back on !!!
The Psy-Op revolution doesn't work if people
are unplugged in Egypt.

Shame on Obama and Hilary.
Both of you need to be in prison
instead of a DC Office.

reply to post by boondock-saint


I personally hope to live to see ALL the politicians in bed with the multinational corporations hang for treason. Im normally against the death penalty, but treason to your nation is one in which I will make the exception.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by boondock-saint

 

I personally hope to live to see ALL the politicians in bed with the multinational corporations hang for treason. Im normally against the death penalty, but treason to your nation is one in which I will make the exception.

I wished I had a million stars to give to ya
for that post.

And those would be some hangings I wouldn't
miss for the world. Even if I had to walk to DC
to see them. Bush and Cheney, next on the list.
The gallows are calling and their time is running
short. Their Psy-Ops are falling apart just as fast
as they can put them together. Just glad we got some
very intelligent analysts here at ATS.

They will try to destroy America before they
will lose their power. Be prepared, it's coming.

The US paid billions to Mubarak, and I think we all know that we (the US) along with the IDF went to great lengths to keep him in power there. So what sense would it make to start some sort of grass-roots social media campaign to drive him out? We (meaning TPTB here in the US and their oil backers) lost out in that deal.

The same oil/monied interests in the US were in bed with Gaddhafi, I mean we have Conoco headquarted in a Libyan-owned building. We obviously didn't care that Gaddhafi was the same maniac that blew up Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie or the La Belle discotheque bombing that killed US soldiers (along with a couple hundred injured), we let bygones be bygones, we even released the Lockerbie bomber so he could return to Moammar as a hero.

Not exactly a person that needs to be "discredited". It's like saying we need a social-media campaign by sock-puppets to discredit Osama Bin Laden.

There's just too much double-speak here. For instance:

Are we saying that "the powers that be" who are supposedly orchestrating this would attack their own puppet regimes in the ME? Weren't the GOP attacking Obama for "dithering" on the Libya issue? Who was supposed to be running this social-media campaign pushing for regime change? Obama? the GOP? some NWO cabal? If it was Obama then wouldn't he have gone immediately on the attack to replace Gaddhafi, yet he "dithered", then let the UNSC take control of it. Not exactly consistent with this theory. If it were the GOP wouldn't they have pushed for Obama to do more, instead of flip-flopping on their position over Libya? Some secret NWO cabal? Wouldn't some such organization be on the losing end of replacing Gaddhafi, who for all intents and purposes has been playing nice the last decade with western oil interests. Now, this action almost surely pushed Gaddhafi to side with Russian oil interests over western.

I like a good conspiracy as much as the next guy, but this one ignores too much of Gaddhafi's history and what the motives are. It's also completely ignoring the fact that this is a very real rebellion by Libyans who were getting massacred by Gaddhafi for having the audacity to stand up to his 40+ years of oppressive rule.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


Ah yes. The horror that has the Libyan people rising up against Gaddafi.

globalresearch.ca...

How was Libya doing under the rule of Gadaffi? How bad did the people have it? Were they oppressed as we now commonly accept as fact? Let us look at the facts for a moment.

Before the chaos erupted, Libya had a lower incarceration rate than the Czech republic. It ranked 61st. Libya had the lowest infant mortality rate of all of Africa. Libya had the highest life expectancy of all of Africa. Less than 5% of the population was undernourished. In response to the rising food prices around the world, the government of Libya abolished ALL taxes on food.

People in Libya were rich. Libya had the highest gross domestic product (GDP) at purchasing power parity (PPP) per capita of all of Africa. The government took care to ensure that everyone in the country shared in the wealth. Libya had the highest Human Development Index of any country on the continent. The wealth was distributed equally. In Libya, a lower percentage of people lived below the poverty line than in the Netherlands.

Read the article. The data is pretty uncontroversial in terms of its sources. And the article conveniently links in the text to the source data.

From the same article, and insight into motive for going after Gaddafi, rather than the actual leader of Libya.

The true leader of Libya is an indirectly elected prime-minister. The current prime-minister is Baghdadi Mahmudi. Calling Khadaffi the leader of Libya is comparable to calling Akihito the leader of Japan. Contrary to what your media is sketching, opinions in Libya vary. Some people support Gadaffi but want Mahmudi out. Others want both out. Many just want to live their life in peace. However, effort is taken to sketch the appearance of a popular revolt against the supposed leader of Libya, Gadaffi, when in fact he is just the architect of Libya's current political system, a mixture of pan-Arabism, socialism, and Islamic government.

Why is the United States so opposed to Gadaffi? He is the main threat to US hegemony in Africa, because he attempts to unite the continent against the United States. This concept is called the United States of Africa. In fact, Gadaffi holds all sorts of ideas that are contrary to US interests. The man blames the United States government for the creation of HIV. He claims that Israel is behind the assasination of Martin Luther King and president John. F. Kennedy. He says that the 9/11 hijackers were trained in the US. He also urged Libyans to donate blood to Americans after 9/11. Khadaffi is also the last of a generation of moderate socialist pan-Arab revolutionaries that is still in power, after Nasser and Hussein have been eliminated, and Syria has aligned itself with Iran.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
There's just too much double-speak here. For instance:

Are we saying that "the powers that be" who are supposedly orchestrating this would attack their own puppet regimes in the ME?

actually there were some internal problems
within TPTB that caused Gadaffi to fall
into disfavor.

Gadaffi had funneled millions of dollars of
his own money into French President Sarkozy's
campaign with the sole intent of opening up doors
around the UN Sanctions on Gadaffi's weapons.
If Gadaffi funded Sarkozy's campaign, he could side step
the sanctions and get the weapons and oil contracts
with the French. After Sarkozy was elected, Sarkozy
flipped off Gadaffi and refused to sidestep those sanctions
and provide weapons and oil contracts. Gadaffi got the shaft
and wasn't going down without a fight so he went to the
press to squeal on Sarkozy and demanded his money back.
Then TPTB confiscated $20B of Gadaffi's assets in
his London's bank accounts. This was money paid to Gadaffi
by the US as humanitarian aid but Gadaffi was using it to
buy arms. Within 3 days of Gadaffi going to the press about
funding Sarkozy's presidential campaign, French jets attacked
Gadaffi's military armament even before the UN mandate.
Qatar played a role in this event as Qatar Oil was going to
handle the logistics and expand their oil operations and had
invested millions in expansion projects. And with Gadaffi
holding the oil as hostage and not selling it, these companies
like Qatar Oil were losing millions of dollars a day in profits.

maybe you should have read my thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


You just linked to an opinion piece by one author on that site, an author who has a grand total of - one article.

Based on this guys blog, he clearly is a fan of Gaddafi. (davidrothscum.blogspot.com...). Seriously this is your news source? A blogspot blogger? I especially like his "Africa Loves Gaddafi" article, but then when you're a petty dictator sitting on top of a huge oil reserve and wealthy beyond extremes, you can throw money around and buy yourself all kinds of loyalty. He writes about how great Libyans are doing, I suppose by this same logic we can say how great Cubans are also doing, after all they have great medical care under Castro.

But they too live under a regime that tolerates no dissidents. You think these people live in a paradise because Gaddafi buys their loyalty with his oil wealth?
'Gaddafi regime brutality unfathomable'
What's Happening in Libya Explained (motherjones.com)
Wikipedia - political repression, assassinations abroad (Gaddafi has killed his opponents who were living in exile/abroad)
Warming Up to a Dictator (Washingtonpost.com)

I could go on, there are thousands and links detailing Gaddafi's brutality. You don't get to be a dictator for over 40 years without oppression and brutality. But please, tell us some more about what a great guy he is. Even the Arab League is on board with UN intervention on the behalf of the rebels. Hell, when's the last time the Arab League has applauded the US for military action in the ME?

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


Did you look at HIS sources? Or are we just going to listen to another one of YOUR opinion pieces?

You know what I like about guys like you? You are incredibly, just unbelievably informed on the minutia regarding the personal details of the critics of this corporate war on Libya, but you are so oddly and woefully unfamiliar with data from ..................oh... the UN human development report. Its almost like it is your job to tear apart critics of the corporate war rather than debate the details of the corporate overthrow itself.

SO, the UN is a good source of knowledge and data when they want to bomb Libya, but when they say the Libyan people are well off in comparison to all the other people on their continent, and even compared to some Europeans, suddenly they UN data is crap? Sure, ok.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
Even the Arab League is on board with UN intervention on the behalf of the rebels. Hell, when's the last time the Arab League has applauded the US for military action in the ME?

Sure, because they bought the bull# claim reported in the corporate media that Gaddafi was airstriking his own people.

And its not like they changed their mind, and then changed it back again.

Whats going on down there is bul#. Its a corporate sponsored, media instigated and maintined conflict.

Im just pleased how many Americans see through it this time, even with the army of paid propagandists supporting it all over the internet. Our collective IQ is rising.

You know what I like about guys like you? You are incredibly, just unbelievably informed on the minutia regarding the personal details of the critics of this corporate war on Libya, but you are so oddly and woefully unfamiliar with data from ..................oh... the UN human development report.

You mean the SAME UN that is also telling us that Gaddafi had begun massacring rebels that dared to revolt against his regime?

So really what you are claiming is that there is no rebellion, all Libyans love and praise their leader, and that all the video and news coming from Libya about rebels and massacres is orchestrated by some hidden power to sway western opinion against Gaddafi - all so we can then bomb the crap out of Libya and steal their oil fields. Is that the gist of this little theory? Like I said, I like a good conspiracy theory, but I also know better than to believe the majority of them. This one, however, is complete garbage.

Two Libyan pilots defect, say ordered to bomb protesters - here's a fact from a credible news organization

Libya declares ceasefire but fighting goes on If Gaddafi wasn't firing on his own people then why would he declare a cease fire?

So no my friend your ridiculous argument that Gaddafi is really just a good guy and that any rebellion against him must be fake or some how orchestrated just isn't going to fly. You've completely discounted the unrest in neighboring countries to Libya that has prompted this rebellion. The difference between Libya and Egypt or Libya and Tunisia is that those regimes stepped aside without unleashing their military on their civilian populations. They became the role models that these Libyan protesters are clearly attempting to emulate.