To All People of the World. URGENT REQUEST From DR. MASARU EMOTO

Originally posted by On the Edge
I /boggle at people who think it's perfectly rational to pray to a creation, yet can't muster the sense or humility to pray to the Creator.

And yet so many debunkers are willing to bow to the god of materialism

reply to post by NeverSleepingEyes


I do know. Who are you to tell me otherwise?

We find out more and more about the elements all the time. Physics backs up homeopathy. Physics has proven time and time again that water has memory. Water is simply amazing. If *you* don't know this, then perhaps you shouldn't attempt to cast aspersions on those who do.

And no, I will not supply you with links. Do your own search and your own reading. I've done mine, kids. I already know.

reply to post by NeverSleepingEyes


I just wanted to know how you can deny the effect of thought and feelings on water when scientists already know the relationship between the mind and the body. If there wasn't a relationship, then what would be the use of spending so much money on pills that affect mood? Anti depressants anyone? Maybe serotonin reuptake really doesn't make people feel less depressed after all? If it goes one way, why doesnt it go the other way? And I'm not being mean here, I think it's a worthy debate.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by NeverSleepingEyes

 

I just wanted to know how you can deny the effect of thought and feelings on water when scientists already know the relationship between the mind and the body. If there wasn't a relationship, then what would be the use of spending so much money on pills that affect mood? Anti depressants anyone? Maybe serotonin reuptake really doesn't make people feel less depressed after all? If it goes one way, why doesnt it go the other way? And I'm not being mean here, I think it's a worthy debate.

edit on 4-4-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

These pills aren't bottled thoughts. They make you feel less depressed via chemical changes.

As for the mind and body being one.. yes, they communicate via signals going through the body, not magic.
Thinking isn't going to magically effect things around you. For one, they aren't receiving that signal. Two, inanimate objects would have no way to understand the signal. Three, they wouldn't have the knowledge to understand the implications of that signal. Four, they wouldn't know how to portray an understanding of that signal.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by NeverSleepingEyes

 

I just wanted to know how you can deny the effect of thought and feelings on water when scientists already know the relationship between the mind and the body. If there wasn't a relationship, then what would be the use of spending so much money on pills that affect mood? Anti depressants anyone? Maybe serotonin reuptake really doesn't make people feel less depressed after all? If it goes one way, why doesnt it go the other way? And I'm not being mean here, I think it's a worthy debate.

edit on 4-4-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

it's just that I don't feel like wasting my time discussing with people who obviously tend to make any logical discussion impossible by (1) not reading what is said, (2) reducing statements to my personality structure and (3) gross negligence when it comes to reasoning.
An example: I challenge you: did i ever state that there is NO relation between body and mind? Being a scientist myself that would be pretty stupid.
So why do you feel it's okay to make it appear as if I made such a statement? Why should I answer that kind of crap?

I entered this debate when reading a claim about the PROVEN nature of that EMOTO person's "experiment". That claim is FALSE.
I didn't even address the stuff that was in the OP, as it's everyone's free choice to take the invitation or not.

Wanna continue dwelling in the realms of delusion, due to the incapacity to deal with the brains lack of capacity to grasp the nature of the universe? Go ahead. Just don't ask me to waste my time, unless you're willing to have a fair debate. Until then: "bye bye, have a great new age time."

Originally posted by CosmicEgg
reply to post by NeverSleepingEyes

 

I do know. Who are you to tell me otherwise?

We find out more and more about the elements all the time. Physics backs up homeopathy. Physics has proven time and time again that water has memory. Water is simply amazing. If *you* don't know this, then perhaps you shouldn't attempt to cast aspersions on those who do.

And no, I will not supply you with links. Do your own search and your own reading. I've done mine, kids. I already know.

I feel (I don't KNOW) there a chance we both give another interpretation to the meaning of the word "KNOW".
I KNOW there's nothing I really can KNOW as there's no way to understand the degree of distortion that happens when my brain constructs a representation of a part of reality. All I "KNOW" then is that it's a mental construct I'm dealing with.

Sorry to have this strong utterance to give preference to a scientific way of approaching the marvels of existence.
And before you start instructing me: please spare me your links, I'm doing my homework myself.

We are all free to believe as we see fit. We all see the world differently. There is no single, solitary truth. All things are true, and they are equally false, if you choose to see things that way. We all choose our perceptions. They are not thrust upon us. We accept them for our own reasons.

I choose to believe (and yes, to know) that water is sentient. I know this too about all the elements. I have spent a lot of time in meditation where a lot of things have been shown to me. I've been to a lot of places that work entirely differently than they do here. I see things differently here than many people do, but many see things similarly to my way. This is fine too. It really doesn't matter though. I know what I know. No practitioner of religion or science is going to tell me I'm wrong, that it's not possible. I know it is and that's that. I'm sure I will go many places still where things are still different from the myriad worlds I've visited to date.

The point is that this post was to encourage others to actively change the environment with their loving thoughts, to help heal our Mother Earth with our pure love for her. This post is about love, not "science". Please stop trying to deflate our love. Science has done enough damage.

Originally posted by CosmicEgg
We are all free to believe as we see fit. We all see the world differently. There is no single, solitary truth. All things are true, and they are equally false, if you choose to see things that way. We all choose our perceptions. They are not thrust upon us. We accept them for our own reasons.

I choose to believe (and yes, to know) that water is sentient. I know this too about all the elements. I have spent a lot of time in meditation where a lot of things have been shown to me. I've been to a lot of places that work entirely differently than they do here. I see things differently here than many people do, but many see things similarly to my way. This is fine too. It really doesn't matter though. I know what I know. No practitioner of religion or science is going to tell me I'm wrong, that it's not possible. I know it is and that's that. I'm sure I will go many places still where things are still different from the myriad worlds I've visited to date.

The point is that this post was to encourage others to actively change the environment with their loving thoughts, to help heal our Mother Earth with our pure love for her. This post is about love, not "science". Please stop trying to deflate our love. Science has done enough damage.

I do appreciate the positive voice of your reply (a tone that was obviously missing in the previous reply, hence my positive feeling)...

...except for that last statement....

Let's do some calculus: what has been more damaging? The efforts of science (as a sociologist I'm fully willing to accept that some individual scientists did terrible things), or the effects of "believers" who killed whole peoples for not reading the right book?

As I stated on other occasions, if one wants to believe? Fine, go ahead, just don't confuse the mental space of believers with the mental space of careful reasoning, observing, experimenting, coming to conclusions and being happy as that conclusion over time is being rejected. That's the nature of science, and to me, that's the best way to approach our external reality, with all its uncertainties and marvels.

I do agree that this debate has taken another direction. The OP's intention probably (I can only assume, I don't KNOW nor BELIEVE) was to spread the invitation of Emoto. Unfortunately s/he added a statement, pretending the claim of Emoto being proven. That was a false statement. So that's what I mentioned. The rest happened...

reply to post by NeverSleepingEyes


Science is belief in something just as religion is. Both are equally "rigorous" -- if that's what you want to believe.

I am a believer is my personal experiences. I do not need validation of the observations of others to know what I know. I will not either disqualify the beliefs of others, though it was your tone that spurred my reply. If you think your tone was impartial and benevolent, please do re-read your posts, dear Sociologist.

Why do you feel the need to correct others? You surely must believe you're right in order to do this. I think you will find that if you really looked at what goes on in the world, the way things work is not at all what would stand up to your logical, rational, materialistic thinking. The world is magic. Start seeing it for what it is. It is beautiful, elegant, magical.

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hope and love and of course prayers go out to all in japan and across the globe

reply to post by NeverSleepingEyes


Why is it that now I am asking you to enter a real debate and you reply with insults about delusion? I am trying to discuss things rationally here. Why is that so scary for you that you have to turn and run screaming? Or, wait, now you are picking on another poster...it's easy to go on the attack when you can't explain the anomalies of ideas that may seem logical till you break them down.

reply to post by asasa

These pills aren't bottled thoughts. They make you feel less depressed via chemical changes.

Amazing how a chemical reaction can change how you FEEL isn't it? And it's a pill introduced into your body. It's inanimate even...so our body can receive signals from an inanimate object once it is introduced into our bodies. Right? How about when someone talks to you? If someone gets mad at you, it affects you doesn't it? So is the premise that only animate things can affect us? Or both animate and inanimate objects can affect us but we cannot affect inanimate objects? Or something can only affect us if it is physically introduced into our bodies? Well how does that explain that sound vibration from someone's voice can make you feel so horrible? Ok, sound is physical too then right? Vibration? It seems to me that your argument is that thoughts do not produce any vibration and therefore cannot affect matter.
That is where Dr. Emoto's experiment demonstrates that thoughts(intent) do carry vibration and do affect other substances(water-which seems to be impressionable). But how do you know if thoughts do or do not affect matter, animate or inanimate? How does a polygraph work? Someone asks you a question and you answer and the machine can detect if you are lying by how your body reacts to your own thoughts. Interesting. Are you one of those people who thinks it is just an accident that you happened to be thinking of someone just beore they call you on the telephone? Let me ask you this? Are your thoughts in the physical realm? If not, how can your body be in the physical world of matter and your thoughts not be? besscunningham.blogspot.com...

reply to post by NeverSleepingEyes

Wanna continue dwelling in the realms of delusion, due to the incapacity to deal with the brains lack of capacity to grasp the nature of the universe? Go ahead. Just don't ask me to waste my time, unless you're willing to have a fair debate. Until then: "bye bye, have a great new age time."

Really? I thought this was a fair debate. It's an open forum and I have tried to dialogue with you using rational thought processes, ie thinking, asking questions. A few days ago you were so mad at me for thinking I can know what is in your mind, and yet here you are doing the exact same thing with me. I bet Stephen Hawking is jealous of your omniscience of the ways of the universe.

reply to post by NeverSleepingEyes

it's just that I don't feel like wasting my time discussing with people who obviously tend to make any logical discussion impossible by (1) not reading what is said, (2) reducing statements to my personality structure and (3) gross negligence when it comes to reasoning.

Gross negligence when it comes to reasoning? I have been very reasonable. This is a debate. After I asked you very rational questions, you answered by telling me I reduced your statements to personality structure. What does that even mean? I asked you some questions. I have asked you perfectly logical questions. You cannot answer though, can you?
Oh btw, I'm in Information technology. Is that more or less scientific than sociology?

pretending the claim of Emoto being proven. That was a false statement. So that's what I mentioned. The rest happened...

False according to whom or what? Is the definition of proof that an experiment must be peer reviewed to be true? A statement can only be true if agreed upon by a well known member of the scientific community?

reply to post by NeverSleepingEyes

An example: I challenge you: did i ever state that there is NO relation between body and mind? Being a scientist myself that would be pretty stupid.

So here seems to be the essence of the debate here:mind over matter. I'm pretty sure I am not the first person to ever think about this subject. But you are here to debunk this very idea because it does not fit into the model of your scientific construct.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Religion is a faith builder, one method of learning how to focus on acheiving. Combined with competition It has evolved into weapon of intellectual destruction. Science is a short cut to the same point.
On the other hand, humans have a card up their sleeve, and with all the current global destruction, maybe we should consider playing that card called "Common sense"

To the people in japan, perhaps you can come up with the first words of a prayer, a prayer of an apology to ourselves, for the global abuse on nature and our mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters, daughters and sons, and especially to those not yet born who are going to inherit a useless and dead unsustaining planet.

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Hercules, I don't really know how to respond excepet to say that I was ridiculed by peers in the 70s when I started yoga practice. Having Aquarius rising is forward-thinking but also has exposed me to ridicule. What more can I say?

reply to post by CosmicEgg

Science is belief in something just as religion is. Both are equally "rigorous" -- if that's what you want to believe.

Great statement! Did you know that secular humanists declared humanism to be a religion once upon a time? John Dewey was a signatory to the first Humanist Manifesto and he declared humanism to be their "common faith". Humanism was even declared a religion by the Supreme Court in 1961 in the Torcaso v. Watkins case. When Christians challenged the religious aspect of humanism after it was introduced into the educational system, the humanists then declared it was really not a religion.
source: vftonline.org...

Here is a quote from the original Humanist Manifesto 1 "So stand the theses of religious humanism. Though we consider the religious forms and ideas of our fathers no longer adequate, the quest for the good life is still the central task for mankind. "

source: www.americanhumanist.org...

I hope the scientific materialists here like Carl Sagan:
"Sagan concludes that if man is to worship anything greater than man himself, it should be something which amounts to the pagan worship of nature. In his book _Cosmos_, Sagan proposes the stars and the Sun as being a more worthy object of worship than Jehovah. "Our ancestors worshiped the Sun, and they were far from foolish. And yet the Sun is an ordinary, even a mediocre star. If we must worship a power greater than ourselves, does it not make sense to revere the Sun and stars?" [p. 243]. Neither does Sagan overlook "mother earth" in his proffered religion and urges us to listen to her voice as well. "The ocean calls."
source: mall.turnpike.net...

dontcha love it!

Originally posted by Arrius
Cheaper than sending money, I guess. So, sure. Sending all my love and positivity to the "Water" there in Fukishima.

Wow, lol so cheap of you. but i have to agree. God bless japans water!