Obama administration about to repeat 'Arming the Mujahideen' mistake of the 90s

The US armed the Mujahideen in the 1980s-1990s against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The Mujahideen were then seen as good guys, and the US trained and armed them with Stinger missiles and other weapons. You can't just hand insurgents weapons, you have to train them, and that means special operations people in Mujahideen outfits. Some of the more radical elements of the Mujahideen wanted all Infidels out of the middle east.

Fast forward to today, a mix of irregular forces including Al Qaeda is in Libya. We also know at least 10 tons of mustard gas and other chemicals is in Libya. The US was heavily involved in initiating and lead cheerleader of the war in Libya. Now the that the war has started, the US is considering arming the insurgents,. To arm them special operations trainers are need to show the insurgents how to use the weapons and how to fight the Libyan regulars.

Arming, training, insurgency operations. Sounds like the early days of Afghanistan.

Question is whether its a repeat of a mistake, or repeat of a thought out plan and process, with a particular outcome in mind?

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It is a vicious circle and those who don't remember the past are doomed to repeat it.

As reported in the Washinton Times up to 1000 AQ have entered the ranks of the "rebels". US is now providing air support and soon weapons for the folks who blew up the world trade center and basically want to kill every westerner they come across. When will this insanity end? They see Obama as nothing but a UN turd and now is the time to move. This "crisis in the middle east" will become a full out assault on Israel in the next year or two while to tool in charge will sit back and watch it all happen. Israel beat em off once will they be able to this time?

On Capitol Hill, Adm. James Stavridis, the NATO commander, when asked about the presence of al Qaeda terrorists among the rebels, said the leadership of the opposition is made up of “responsible men and women.” “We have seen flickers in the intelligence of potential al Qaeda, Hezbollah,” the four-star admiral said. “We’ve seen different things. But at this point, I don’t have detail sufficient to say that there’s a significant al Qaeda presence, or any other terrorist presence, in and among these folks.” The military is continuing to “look at that very closely,” he said, because “it’s part of doing due diligence as we move forward on any kind of relationship” with the opposition. Outside observers generally estimate the number of trained Libyan fighters to be about 1,000.

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Originally posted by agentblue
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It is a vicious circle and those who don't remember the past are doomed to repeat it.

These idiots remember the past. The remember it well.

What they're all guilty of is this idiotic notion that "this time it'll be different."

Originally posted by Justice4Gaza
Question is whether its a repeat of a mistake, or repeat of a thought out plan and process, with a particular outcome in mind?

It is not a mistake - review the information in the link on my tag line. The operation in Libya has been planned for years under the new Obama Doctrine which justifies international intervention -- not to protect a nation state or self-interests -- but to protect civilians under the guise of humanitarian aid. This is the next step of the plan to replace the status-quo leaders in the Middle East which had failed to fulfill their mission for 30 to 40 years with more religious leaders which would take up the mission. That mission being the invasion of Israel. I don't think Obama is behind this mind you - he is a front man and there is ample evidence for it in the tagged link.

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By the way - this is what they mean when they refer to a "New Beginning". Not a new beginning for the people but themselves needing a new beginning - a renewal of war against Israel which had ceased in the early 1970's with the last Yom Kippur War.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by agentblue
reply to post by Justice4Gaza

 

It is a vicious circle and those who don't remember the past are doomed to repeat it.

These idiots remember the past. The remember it well.
What they're all guilty of is this idiotic notion that "this time it'll be different."

and let's not forget Iran Contra Affair either.
And ole Ollie's appearance in the meetings.
scape goat

Looks like we have covert ops in Libya by presidential order.

www.reuters.com...

Exclusive: Obama authorizes secret help for Libya rebels

By Mark Hosenball

WASHINGTON | Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:16pm EDT

(Reuters) - President Barack Obama has signed a secret order authorizing covert U.S. government support for rebel forces seeking to oust Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, government officials told Reuters on Wednesday.

Obama signed the order, known as a presidential "finding", within the last two or three weeks, according to government sources familiar with the matter.
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We're not the only ones who remember arming the mujahedeen.

...Members of Congress have expressed anxiety about U.S. government activities in Libya. Some have recalled that weapons provided by the U.S. and Saudis to mujahedeen fighting Soviet occupation forces in Afghanistan in the 1980s later ended up in the hands of anti-American militants....

Maybe members of Congress are members of ATS?

news.blogs.cnn.com...

CIA 'gathering intel firsthand' in Libya, source says

March 30th, 2011

The CIA is operating in Libya to help the United States increase its "military and political understanding" of the situation, a U.S. intelligence source said.

"But yes, we are gathering intel firsthand and we are in contact with some opposition entities," the source told CNN.
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CIA is already in all foreign countries isn't it? It's breaking news on CNN anyway. CNN is usually last to know.

Yep, the Democratic Capital of The Free World of Free Ones is intervening in an internal issue of another country and... Taking sides!!!
And they are arming a faction that is rebelling against said country's government!
O, the Surprise!


From Google Translated "Pagina/12" (Argentina)

Speaking of weapons

According to Reuters, Obama has signed the orders. All deny it, but a possible step that would raise the bet against Khadafi is already commented and even divorces. Clinton said it was an option.

First came Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who in a flirtation indefinite said the decision to provide arms to rebels who move back and forth in his intention to defeat the power of Libyan President Muammar Gaddafi was not taken, but the possibility existed. That flirtation became certainty when they met Frank through the British news agency Reuters, the American country's president, Barack Obama, secretly authorized his troops to conduct operations in support of the rebels. The information comes to light the same day the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) began to take over the military air mission until yesterday led the United States over France and the UK.

A day after the summit that some 40 countries, the UN, NATO and various other groups in the Arab world as Arab League to chart shared political intervention in Libya, Reuters reported information to "government sources familiar with the matter ". According to reports, Obama signed secret orders for two or three weeks. These are documents of the same nature of the U.S. executive order used for CIA operations. According to Reuters, both the intelligence agency of the United States as the government refused to talk about it.

Until hours before this information is the message from Washington on the request of Libyan weapons of the rebels had been ambiguous. Clinton had slipped to the press that the government had not taken any decision. The president, as part of an interview, not cast more light on the subject: "Do not exclude. But neither will I say, "brandished on the delivery of weapons, and reiterated that his government" in addition to the imposition of a no-fly zone also has tools of political, diplomatic, sanctions, freezing assets All items will continue stifling the regime of Gaddafi.

NATO took charge of the military mission began in heaven Libyan United States, France and the UK. "The relay is being done gradually," said an official at the agency. "Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Spain, Britain and the Netherlands transferred all or part of its military assets, mainly aircraft in the area of ​​operations," the official said. Meanwhile, the hesitation about whether the provision of weapons to improvised army of Libyans who insist on putting an end to government Khadafi is correct or not flying over the environment of the international community since the London meeting. Thereafter, various international actors began to issue their opinions.

British Prime Minister, David Cameron said that Britain "does not rule out" assistance, which is still being analyzed, he insisted to a consultation conference which was submitted in the House of Commons. As for the military intervention that began more than ten days, the official said: "There is no doubt in anyone's head that is still violating the cease-fire from Khadafi-forces and is completely correct that we keep the pressure under resolution 1973 Security Council of the UN. " From his place, the French Foreign Minister, Alain Juppe, was played not whole and stated that his country is willing to talk with its allies in relation to military aid for the rebels, although he acknowledged that this is not provided for in the recent UN resolutions.

However, also heard voices that spoke against the proposal. The governments of Italy and Norway are examples of that. "Arming the rebels would be an issue, an extreme measure (that) certainly would divide the international community," said a spokesman for the Italian Foreign Ministry, Maurizio Massari. "In regard to Norway, to deliver weapons to the rebels is not currently Libyans," he said, for its part, the Norwegian Minister of Defense, Grete Faremo.

Belgium also expressed reluctance to send weapons, like Russia, whose Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, declared: "No country has the right to arm the rebels Libyans." The NATO Secretary General, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, said the operation in Libya had been "prepared to protect people and not (target) to put it together, then we are in complete agreement."

Without reaching for now hypothetical, nutrition arms, China also issued its opinion on military intervention in Libya. The country's president, Hu Jintao, speaking to his French counterpart, Nicolas Sarkozy has criticized the mission: "History has proven repeatedly that the use of force is not an answer to problems, but will only make more complicated ".